Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 2]

[Chikselog]

Kanina lang, I sprayed ONR clay lube diluted on the roof hood and trunk trying to remove all the little tree saps that bombarded our car when I had no choice but to park under a freakin' tree.

Yung isang dagta sa hood di na kinaya, oxidized na. Halos ka-level na ng paint, which means it literally ate the clearcoat.

Kaya iwas kayo magpark under a tree. IIRC mas worse pa yung nangyari dati kay mam madkatz sobrang daming tree saps ng Innova nya. I remember it had many tree sap etching na may part na nag-crack na yung clearcoat. Mam madkatz please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Hardinero]

went to blade this lunch to buy mother's step1 and step3 and microtex nano glos. guy at blade said i should try mother's carnauba cleaner wax instead of the 3-steps. any feedback po from this item?

i ended up buying magic 88 applicator pads, mother's fender wall brush and microtex nano sliq..

bro, meron ako neto free siya from the claybar kit. for me ok siya gamitin because of it's cleaning ability kaya ganda ng shine...

i used it last sunday and top it with 915...

[dbhollanda]

I think ONR is not effective anymore as the bird stain has oxidized already. How about for those severe cases in which the stain ate through the clear coat? Would it disappear if I would just leave it?

true pag nag oxidized na e ibang usapan na talaga yan. di ko pa na try na ganyang case sa vehicle ko. antay natin ang mga reply ng mga masters/guru for that scenario.

[franster]

Kanina lang, I sprayed ONR clay lube diluted on the roof hood and trunk trying to remove all the little tree saps that bombarded our car when I had no choice but to park under a freakin' tree.

Yung isang dagta sa hood di na kinaya, oxidized na. Halos ka-level na ng paint, which means it literally ate the clearcoat.

Kaya iwas kayo magpark under a tree. IIRC mas worse pa yung nangyari dati kay mam madkatz sobrang daming tree saps ng Innova nya. I remember it had many tree sap etching na may part na nag-crack na yung clearcoat. Mam madkatz please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nakakainis talaga tong mga bird poop/tree sap stains. Mas pinipili ko pa nga magkascratch na lang ng kaunti (yung hindi na man grabe) kesa sa sa mga ganoong stains mapunta sa surface ng sasakyan ko!

Naghihinayang na tuloy ako kung bakit di ko pinahid kaagad yung bird poop, medyo nagmamadali na rin kasi ako and was thinking na baka mawawala rin yun dahil umuulan that moment.

Hay naku, I think I had enough "learning the hard way" already.

[franster]

Kaya iwas kayo magpark under a tree. IIRC mas worse pa yung nangyari dati kay mam madkatz sobrang daming tree saps ng Innova nya. I remember it had many tree sap etching na may part na nag-crack na yung clearcoat. Mam madkatz please correct me if I'm wrong.

*madkatz: Yes. How did you deal with this paint damages?

[madkatz]

I think ONR is not effective anymore as the bird stain has oxidized already. How about for those severe cases in which the stain ate through the clear coat? Would it disappear if I would just leave it?

Hello bird stain does not really oxidize paint it mainly etches the paint to a point that its either stained which is good because the clearcoat level is still flat or the etching actually ate through, with these cases we usually just polish the paint until its basically flat again so it will not be that noticeable and so that it won't have deep microscopic valleys there water could sink into and remain to further etch the paint

[madkatz]

Kanina lang, I sprayed ONR clay lube diluted on the roof hood and trunk trying to remove all the little tree saps that bombarded our car when I had no choice but to park under a freakin' tree.

Yung isang dagta sa hood di na kinaya, oxidized na. Halos ka-level na ng paint, which means it literally ate the clearcoat.

Kaya iwas kayo magpark under a tree. IIRC mas worse pa yung nangyari dati kay mam madkatz sobrang daming tree saps ng Innova nya. I remember it had many tree sap etching na may part na nag-crack na yung clearcoat. Mam madkatz please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hehe yup and that even had 3 different sealants with 5 layers if i remember it corrently freshly layed out, it didn't really crack the paint all the way through but it did etch and crack the clear coat, it took us a considerable amount of clear coat to be wet sanded and polishes before we could remove it visually

[madkatz]

Nakakainis talaga tong mga bird poop/tree sap stains. Mas pinipili ko pa nga magkascratch na lang ng kaunti (yung hindi na man grabe) kesa sa sa mga ganoong stains mapunta sa surface ng sasakyan ko!

Naghihinayang na tuloy ako kung bakit di ko pinahid kaagad yung bird poop, medyo nagmamadali na rin kasi ako and was thinking na baka mawawala rin yun dahil umuulan that moment.

Hay naku, I think I had enough "learning the hard way" already.

With all contaminants like bird droppings and tree saps it is always best to remove them ASAP, it won't really hurt going down the car with your QD saturate the contaminant and remove it with a MF rather than stick with the gruesome and expensive process of removing the contaminants after which is more tiresome, if you ask me next time just remove them once you see them, another thing that we also practice is, once we get down from the car we usually do a 5 second check of the car to check for bird droppings or tree saps, if its clear then we proceed with whatever we have planned for that day but if its not we usually remove them asap, same thing with parking outside and leaving, we usually do a 5 second check before we start the car and leave, this is a good practice but still if you're really unlucky then its still going to happen, take note bird droppings take only about 2 hours to etch right through the clear coat, the main difference when you have a sealant is that the etching isn't as worse as without the sealant, tree saps take longer but also etches pretty fast, at 4 hours be really to see some really etching on the paint, these contaminants should not be allowed to sit longer for 5 minutes to a maximum of 4 hours, i remember one time when we were in the traffic light right before NAIA 1 to fetch my dad and i got some bird dropping when i went inside the airport to park i quickly dished out my handy dandy bottle of Megs Last Touch and MF cloth to remove the bird dropping and Viola! it already etched the paint, its not as sever as cracked up and deep etching but its still stained viewable at a certain angle and that only took 5 minutes sitting on the hood. so its really best to remove them as soon as you see them and in hopes that it has not yet etched on the paint, one other thing people mistake is that they think that once a few hours have passed that the acids and resins in the bird droppings and tree saps are already spent and just leave it, once these things are soaked again when it rains be sure that the acids will be reactivated causing more etching once again so bottomline, once you see them remove them ASAP

[madkatz]

*madkatz: Yes. How did you deal with this paint damages?

in terms of dealing the damages after, we usually just resort to pre-wax cleaners in hopes of removing the etch marks and hopefully make it clearer and less noticeable, if its etching can be felt by hand we usually do a spot compound and polish, if its cracked but not all the way through the clear coat right through the color coat we wet sand the area and polish it, if its etched right through to the color coat or metal layer we have it spot repaired

[franster]

* madkatz

What I did is I used 3M scratch remover on the exact stained spot. It did a little to no difference. My concern now is, did I abraded a layer of clear coat already? Its quite hard to assess the surface as it is a bit cloudy due to the scratch remover. And oh BTW, I used a light pressure on the 3m scratch remover with 4 passes.

[antz-z]

bro, meron ako neto free siya from the claybar kit. for me ok siya gamitin because of it's cleaning ability kaya ganda ng shine...

i used it last sunday and top it with 915...

thanks.... how frequent do you use it? is it safe to use monthly? 2x a month?

[Hardinero]

thanks.... how frequent do you use it? is it safe to use monthly? 2x a month?

actually bro, 2nd time ko pa lang siya nagawa...i'm not an expert bro ha, pero kung pa wax wax ka lang....tulad ko before na every week waxing...

ok at hindi nga siguro nakakapagod yung 2x a month double waxing...compared sa ginagawa kong every week LSP waxing before....hhhmm, nabigyan mo ako ng idea dun bro ah...

though, may kilala akong isang idol after nya mag-sealant eh pa OCW OCW na lang siya....eto ang tunay na less pagod pero protected parin ang auto..

[rockstar5k]

the included counterweight is for 5 inch backling but for 5.5inch pads not with the 6.5inch pads so the standard jiggles a little more with 6.5inch pads compared to using 5.5inch pads

Hi Madkatz, thanks. Got the pc * AG cybertues sale. hehe!

[madkatz]

*rockstar5k: Wow thats Great! Did you take the solo polisher or the kit? I also got on with the Tuesday Cybersale, got one fuzion and one PC polisher only, im thinking of giving it as a christmas gift for ed don't tell him ok?

[kafph2000]

*rockstar5k: Wow thats Great! Did you take the solo polisher or the kit? I also got on with the Tuesday Cybersale, got one fuzion and one PC polisher only, im thinking of giving it as a christmas gift for ed don't tell him ok?

like! hope my gf gives me one too. hahaha

[PSI]

WHAT: BASIC DETAILING FOR BEGINNERS
WHERE: SOMEWHERE SA KATIPUNAN
WHEN: DEC 5, 2010 (SUN)
TIME: 8am
TOPICS:
1) HOW TO PROPERLY WASH YOUR CAR
2) STEP 1-2-3 ON 1 PANEL ONLY (WITH POLISHER/BY HAND)
3)WHEEL detailing
4) product knowledge

PARTICIPANTS
1) PSI
2) Hardinero
3) Chikselog - tentative
4) kErikzb ==(pls IM me your mobile no)
5) scharnhorst
6) bombitmd
7) jed


keep it coming guys.... this might be our last session for beginners for 2010.... susunod neto mga FEB 2011 na....

for those with pc AND MAPAPALAD NA ME FLEX would you still like a session before the year ends?

*kErikzb... kindly IM me your mobile phone no........

[nelz]

Mga masters need advise on how to plan my detailing regimen. I have a 10-month old white montero, daily driver and walang roof ang garage. Goal is simply for protection. Products that i have on hand are Klasse Twins, Nanogloss, NanoSliq. Here's what i have come up with.

2x a week
Wash / Sliq

Weekly
???

Weekend before monthly regimen (read fromMadkatz' post somewhere)
Wash / NanoGloss / Sliq

Monthly
Wash KAIO / KSG / Sliq

2x a year
Wash, Clay (have yet to buy), Wash, KAIO, KSG, Sliq

Questions:
1] Do I need to change anything with my regimen?
2] Do I still need a pure carnauba wax to add as a weekly task? Or 2-layers na lang ng KSG on a monthly basis.
3] Is it safe on the top coat for KAIO to be applied on a monthly thing?

Sensya na kasi hirap mag-backread. Nakakahilo

[watusi]

Mga masters need advise on how to plan my detailing regimen. I have a 10-month old white montero, daily driver and walang roof ang garage. Goal is simply for protection. Products that i have on hand are Klasse Twins, Nanogloss, NanoSliq. Here's what i have come up with.

2x a week
Wash / Sliq

Weekly
???

Weekend before monthly regimen (read fromMadkatz' post somewhere)
Wash / NanoGloss / Sliq

Monthly
Wash KAIO / KSG / Sliq

2x a year
Wash, Clay (have yet to buy), Wash, KAIO, KSG, Sliq

Questions:
1] Do I need to change anything with my regimen?
2] Do I still need a pure carnauba wax to add as a weekly task? Or 2-layers na lang ng KSG on a monthly basis.
3] Is it safe on the top coat for KAIO to be applied on a monthly thing?

Sensya na kasi hirap mag-backread. Nakakahilo

hindi nakakahilo mag-backread, nakaka-addict, hehe.

ok yung post dati ni rico, you may apply this regimen (just replace the 915 with klasse and be sure to apply the sealant first before the wax) -

That's an excellent combo... it's the same combo I use, except 476s ang gamit ko instead of 915... here's my regimen:

every 6 months
Step 1
Nano Glos
476/915
OCW
OGE/NanoSliq

every 3 months
Nano Glos
476/915
OCW
OGE/NanoSliq

Every 2-4 weeks
476/915
OCW
OGE/NanoSliq

Weekly
OCW
OGE/NanoSliq

After wash:
OGE/Sliq

I highly recommend uyou get OCW too para tumagal ung 915. I use to wax every 2 weeks, pero with OCW every month na lang...

enjoy detailing pafs!

you may opt to use a more durable wax like the 476 or 915, just use the nanoglos for a filler

ayos itong kodigo rico!

[rockstar5k]

*rockstar5k: Wow thats Great! Did you take the solo polisher or the kit? I also got on with the Tuesday Cybersale, got one fuzion and one PC polisher only, im thinking of giving it as a christmas gift for ed don't tell him ok?

i took the solo plus 6" lc bp & cw. i didnt expect the fuzion will run out of stock! if i only knew this would come, i shouldn't have ordered the wgdps and souveran! haha! anyway, that sale was really fun..

ps. don't worry...i won't tell him...

[x_jason_x]

Guys need your expert advise,

Which is better for black colored cars in terms of durability and looks, autoglym hd wax or p21s 100% carnauba wax? What's the advantage and disadvantage between the two waxes? Thanks.