*jon: thanks so much for the links, i just took a look at your detailing blog and im surprised at your detail of the CRV, its like the paint itself was jeweled especially on the sun reflection shots those near the last part. Now my only problem would be to find a backing pad for the rotary that would fit my 6.5 inch blue red and gold pads since i bought them for DA and i just learned that you get better results with a rotary, thanks again