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[water]

madkatz,

Babae ka pala. Kakagulat marami ka alam sa pag detail ng kotse.

Kasi may pupunta sa usa next year tapos uuwi din after ilan months kaya magpapabili ako foam gun and wax.

Sa wax and sealant ano maadvice mo quality pero reasonable lang price? Baka magalit kasi yung bibili kung mahal at hindi bilhin eh.

Wag yung level ng P21S carnauba wax kasi mahal na yun

Yung pang matagalan din magagamit.

Ano meaning ng WG DPS?

[madkatz]

*water: yup im a girl, my fondness about cars started with me being OC about my car especially when i had it waxed at shell retiro and it got lots of swirls all over it, since then i've gone a long way into knowing how to take proper care of my car

My mistake it should be WG DGPS, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant.

My Recommendations would be

Sealant:

Klasse AIO and SG Combo - two step system thats a good value for money and nice shine

Megs 21 - One step Paint sealant, lasts as long as KSG, plays nicely when used with other Megs products

WG DGPS - A little more expensive but definitely looks better than KSG, somewhat like a wax effect although not as much like souveran quality as they claim it is

Optimum Polymers Opti-Seal - Cheaper Sealant i know, 25$ i think, lasts a little shorter than KSG but very easy to apply

Duragloss Aqua wax - Cheapest Sealant i've tried, not considered as a wax, gives a nice shine but doesn't last as long as compared to the ones listed above

Waxes:

Collinite 476 - the most durable wax i've ever tried, a few washes would remove the shine and gloss but it still protects for months.

Collinite 915 - a better looking version of 476 but lasts shorter as well

FK Hi Temp Wax - slightly less than 476 in terms of durability but looks a lot better

Collinite 845 - for those lazy days when you want to wax using liquid wax and want it to last up to a month

Optimum Polymers Car Wax - Cheap wax with a nice durability, very easy to apply just like using a QD but lasts as long as a regular wax

Duragloss Paste wax - roughly much like 915 in terms of durability, doesn't seem to shine and enhance looks that much but its price is very economical, i don't know if its still in circulation though

Prestone Car Wax - made of synthetic carnauba? didn't even know such a thing existed, another cheap wax thats under rated, a bit thick and hard to apply, decent gloss much like #26 and beads very well and lasts a little longer than the regular wax

If its overall performance i would rather go with Klasse AIO and SG and Collinite 476

Hope this helps

Merry Christmas

[water]

Wow! Babae nakakaalam nito.

May alam ka store sa usa na over the counter lang bibilhin para hindi na order online? Mas cheaper din ba sa store? Tagal kasi sa amazon nung gilmoure foammaster. Months pa aabutin ng shipping.

Magpapabili ako ng klasse. Pero stock lang muna. Ayaw ko muna magstart doon dahil two-steps.

Ano ok one-step lang pero hindi kupas paint? Carnauba ba one step lang?

How much each yang mga nabili mo?

Dati pala nakapag-wax na ako kotse. Turtle wax lang ginamit ko. Grabe maghapon ako natapos. Kuminis naman. Pero next time magpapatulong ako sa day-off ng car wash boy. Bayaran ko na lang labor nya.

Sobrang maraming salamat sa explanation mo. Nakakagulat talaga babae nagdedetail.

[madkatz]

*water: I don't know from which and what stores the items i had shipped here were bought from, but majority of the items i have here is bought from autogeek which is an online store, i only have my friend look for those items not available in autogeek in stores near her area, according to her there seems to be a lot of stores in the California area that carries these different products especially the larger hardware stores.

As for Klasse, its actually not that hard to apply and remove, just have a water spray bottle and set it to mist, i actually find Klasse AIO to be a bit easier to remove as compared to waxes and as for the SG the water spray bottle helps a lot, i can do a Klasse twin application in about 3 hours or less, after that is all left for the SG to cure for about 12 to 24 hours.

Hmm the reason why i classified Klasse AIO and SG as a two step is because AIO is best designed to be used with SG, its pretty much like AIO cleans and protects the paint without removing and reducing paint and then SG further enhances the protection and gloss of the paint. Klasse AIO alone can already give you a durable protection its just that using both with amplify the results and make it worth while

As for simply protecting, all other items i have listed are used along in terms of your monthly protection. In the detailing scene theres what you call a 3 step, a 2 step and a 1 step.

the 3 step is when you apply a compound followed by a polish and then a sealant or a wax

the 2 step is when you apply a polish or cleaner followed by a sealant or a wax

and the 1 step is when you use an All-in-one wax like Mothers carnauba cleaner wax, Megs cleaner wax, Quick Detailer #66, Klasse AIO and a whole lot more, these waxes cleans you paint making the color shine at the same time providing protection, however the protection this offers is not as durable (with the exception of Klasse AIO ) as compared to the pure LSP

And then there's the pure LSP stage where all of the products i have listed under my previous post falls, this is usually done monthly and is designed to protect only, it has no cleaners or polishes.

I think i got you a bit mixed up, sorry for that, So bottom line is what do you consider as the "one step" you mention above? Are you pertaining to a LSP ( Last Step Procedure) that purely protects? If so, then all of the products listed previously are lets say "one step LSP's" and if you're pertaining to One step waxes, then as mentioned there's Moms Carnauba cleaner wax, Megs Deep cleaner wax, and a whole lot more

As for the prices of the items just check out autogeek.net, i think the only one i didn't get there is prestone at 9$, and FK Hi temp wax at 20$ and Duragloss paste wax at 13$ since they weren't available from autogeek that time.

Actually waxing doesn't need to be very tiring, if you're just waxing and merely protecting the paint then you wouldn't even be tired after applying waxes, what most people do it apply pressure while waxing which is pointless IMO its just the same as lightly gliding the applicator over the paint, same results, and as for buffing it off, once you learn to apply really thin layers of LSP then removing them would be a breeze.

Hope this helps, Sorry for the confusion with the previous posts description

Merry Christmas

[water]

Oo yun mga one step carnauba cleaner wax.

Yung Collinite 476 all in one ba yun?

Talaga ba maganda P2IS carnauba kaya mahal? Ano difference sa s100?

Regarding naman sa windshield. Ok ba gamitin stoner invisible glass?

Ok compare ko prices jan sa autogeek, autopia, amazon.

Salamat salamat ulit.

[jonjon_u]

Oo yun mga one step carnauba cleaner wax.

Yung Collinite 476 all in one ba yun?

Talaga ba maganda P2IS carnauba kaya mahal? Ano difference sa s100?

Regarding naman sa windshield. Ok ba gamitin stoner invisible glass?

Ok compare ko prices jan sa autogeek, autopia, amazon.

Salamat salamat ulit.

The search function is your friend. There are lots of info/answers in the Autogeek and Autopia forums for these questions.

Anyway, here are some of the results from a quick search done at the Autopia website:

Collinite 476

Stoner Invisible Glass Aerosol

Stoner Invisible Glass Pump Spray

P21S vs. s100

I'm sure you will discover more info that would satisfy your curiosity.

Hope this helps.


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:
http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

[madkatz]

*water: as for carnauba cleaner waxes i haven't been able to test a lot of products, the only ones i've tried are Megs, Moms, and TW.

476 is a pure wax and its not considered a cleaner wax.

As for p21s and s100, i have both and yes they are pretty much the same, but also take note that the s100 i have is also slightly smaller as compared to p21s so its not really half the price. p21s and s100 are really good waxes if you are after that show car shine, its give you excellent gloss and depth but if you are after durability and protection then you better stick with 476, until now i have yet to come across a wax that outlasts this wax. the p21s only lasted me 3 washes and its gone it didn't even last 1 month of our rainy season. but hands down its the next best wax i've tried second only to pinnacle souveran in terms of looks in terms of dark cars. if its lighter colored cars im still with p21s in terms of look over pinnacle souveran

As for stoners, i haven't tried any of their products so i don't know anything about it, but i just might try and order some in the next coming months.

And im with jon with reading through autopia and autogeek forums

And i so agree with the first link, its my favorite routine/step up, Klasse AIO + KSG + wait one day then KSG again + 476 (915 on black cars) wait 8 hours and 476/915 again. This is one real tough protection you're putting on, it could really last you 3 months and longer if you maintain it monthly with additional topping of waxes.

[Albino]

Hello, gusto ko lang sana itanong kung okay ba yung mga spray car waxes na nabibili? im planning to buy kasi yung sa meguiar's. (i've read din dito yung megs sa kamias, im planning to go and buy there on monday.)

now im not sure yet what to buy kung yung megs quik detailer or yung quik wax or nxt generation na spray wax din. or if you can recommend anything else that would be great.

and kung may idea kayo sa price that would be a big help also. thanks!

[madkatz]

*albino: ok in terms of what? if you mean ok in comparison with real waxes then its definitely below par, but if your puprose would be to enhance and slightly protect the car more after your weekly washing then most spray waxes actually help. Spray waxes IMO are designed to be used after every washing buffed on a dry paint to add a little more protection and gloss to the paint. As for spray waxes that does a decent job in doing these i would recommend Moms Fx spray wax and Reflections Spray wax. As for megs you could try their quik wax its a decent spray wax and the same goes for NXT spray wax both are decent and nice value for money. Now if you want a really nice spray wax thats great for black cars ( read in your other post you have a black car ) then i would recommend you get the ultimate quik wax and an added bonus is its hydrophobic polymers, but its a lot more expensive since its around 750 to 800 bucks and most spray waxes just range from 450 to 600 only. Moms Reflections Spray wax costs around 600 but is also nice especially when it comes to black cars, it makes the paint a lot more reflective. Quik detailer BTW is not considered a spray wax.

[Albino]

*madkatz thanks. my purpose is something to apply after i have cleaned the car, somewhat of a protection maybe? i'm looking for spray waxes in particular because the car(grandis) is big, so i'm looking for something that is easy to apply. and are spray waxes safe for the paint even if i apply it like weekly?

re: Moms Reflections Spray, thanks, i'll check on that product too.

[water]

Salamat jon and madkatz

Sa mga nabasa ko sa autogeek and autopia yung collonite ipapabili ko. Tapos ang paint cleaner gagamitin klasse aio.

Lagi ba klasse aio ang gamit nyo preparation or meron pa iba?

About sa stoner hindi ba makakasira ng tint yan pag sa loob ng windshield gagamtin?

[jonjon_u]

Salamat jon and madkatz

Sa mga nabasa ko sa autogeek and autopia yung collonite ipapabili ko. Tapos ang paint cleaner gagamitin klasse aio.

Lagi ba klasse aio ang gamit nyo preparation or meron pa iba?

About sa stoner hindi ba makakasira ng tint yan pag sa loob ng windshield gagamtin?

Great choices.

Aside from Klasse AIO, you also have other cleaner waxes from Mothers and Meguiars, as well as the Optimum Poliseal and Poorboy's Polish with Sealant or Poorboy's Polish with Carnauba, among many others.

With regard to the Stoner's Invisible Glass, I think it's safe to use for tinted glass. The website states that it is "SAFE to use on original equipment manufactured (OEM) and most after-market TINTED windows when used as directed. Always test on non-glass surfaces before using. Not recommended for use on polycarbonate plastic."

Hope this helps.


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Jon

My auto detailing experiences:

http://autodetailingexperience.blogspot.com/

[water]

Salamat jonjon

Isa pa tanong. Kasi nabasa ko pag polish matapang na ata. Yung gusto level yung pang klasse aio lang. Ano jan yung pinakamildest na cleaner?

Sa mga nabasa ko about collonite ginaganahan tuloy ako mag-wax.

Kagabi sumakit ulo ko kakabasa sa autopia at autogeek. Puro collonite ang pinupuri.

Oo nga pala pag car shampoo ano gamit nyo na locally lang available?

[madkatz]

*albino: spray waxes do offer protection but its nowhere near a real wax IMO, but if you are going to put it lets say weekly after your weekly wash then it might provide enough protection for our weather nowadays since its a lot milder. And if its protection you're after i would recommend you get the Ultimate Quik Wax it offers better protection compared to Mothers Reflection Spray wax, i've read in the meguiars forum that one method of applying it and making it last longer was to spray some liberally to ensure adequate coverage and then spread it a little with a damp applicator pad ( not buff it off ) and leave it for about 30 minutes before finally buffing it off.

check this out

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/sho...ax+application

It still wont be as durable as a real wax but of all the spray waxes locally available that i've tried this one lasts the longest, if you could get your hands on some Optimum Polymer Car Wax that would be great, its just like using a QD but it lasts as long as a regular car wax.

Hope this helps

*water: the closest i can think of would be Moms Carnauba Cleaner Wax, As for the shampoo, for the nice cars i use NXT, polyglaze and California Gold, As for the daily drives i use BB shampoo or microtex

[water]

Hi ulit

May mga carwash shop ba dito pinas na collonite ang gamit pang-wax?

Gusto ko ipa-wax kotse habang inaantay ko yung collonite na pinabili ko.

Salamat

[madkatz]

*water: BB has collinite products but they charge extra for it and as far as i know, i might be mistaken, the only collinite they use is 845 which is the liquid version of 476 but 845 lasts a little less than 476 but still durable compared to other waxes

[water]

Tungkol naman sa claybar.

Ginagamit ba ito to smoothen the paint? Hindi nakakakupas ng paint.

So parang "pseduo cleaner wax" ang clay bar pero walang wax.

[madkatz]

*water: yes it is used to smoothen the paint by removing bonded contaminants in the paint, it works by picking up those particles that are not removed during the car wash stage, particles like brake dust and industrial fall outs just to name a few, and these can really mess up your paint during the paint preparation process. There are certain cases where the paint itself is already marred and damaged where even after claying the paint would still be rough but these are extreme cases already. Claying when done properly is virtually harmless to the paint, proper claying also entails the usage of proper lubrication to help the clay glide easily over the paint to remove contaminants without having to apply pressure. A common mistake people do is applying pressure on the clay for one and using very little lubrication as the second error. So when done properly claying is really harmless

There are 3 types of cleaner waxes, some cleaner waxes contain very mild abrasives/polishes to clean the paint, some use a chemical as a medium of cleaning the paint where a majority of them are really safe (klasse AIO) there are also some cases of strong cleaner waxes, these chemicals can also level and reduce paint (Moms Step1 and Megs Step 1), and the third one is a combination of abrasive and chemical cleaners. So basically claying removes contaminants in the paint but its not as thorough and as effective as pure paint cleaners, so they both fall on different categories, its pretty much like claying removes those fine particles where as cleaner waxes have the ability to remove oxidized paint and other "more" bonded contaminants and other defects.

[water]

madkatz

Ibig sabihin ng paint preparation: klasse aio? Cleaner wax?

So ang procedure Car wash-claying-klasse aio-collonite?

Ilan taon ka na sa detailing? Ang galing mo magexplain.

Napakarami salamat sayo.

[madkatz]

*water: Normally when you mention paint preparation its more of a 3 step process meaning first using a compound or a pure cleaner wax, followed by a polish and lastly with a LSP. Sometimes its a 2 step its a polish followed by a LSP, in an AIO or a cleaner wax i guess it is still considered as paint preparation but you do everything in one go.

My suggestion would be to:

1. wash
2. dry
3. remove asphalt
4. re-wash and dry
5. clay
6. AIO
7. 476

The reason why i suggested doing asphalt removing was to remove a majority of the asphalts, this way you clay doesn't get too contaminated that much, prolonging the lifespan of the clay

I've started reading about detailing and going to detailing shops and helping my friends with their project cars probably around 10 years ago but didn't take it seriously until i got my brand new innova last year october, since then i started doing everything hands on, buying new products, getting machines and polishers, trying compounds and all that stuff in one year where it was really different seeing it done and when you do it alone, it became my passing obsession to the point i actually went through the meguuiars and moms complete training last november and early december hehe