Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[uls]

local builders don't make cars people wanna buy

that explains their market share

kahit gaano karaming pera ang ipadala ng mga OFW...

as long as local builders do not produce cars people wanna buy

they will fail to steal market share from foreign brands

[jpdm]

[SIZE=3]Let us be realistic, which one would the [SIZE=4]"pinoy" masses[/SIZE] would really buy?[/SIZE]


The PHUV?


or

a Toyota Innova?

If you are talking about "Pinoy Masses" they cannot possibly afford this two. Only the upper middle class (PHUV cost around 550K; Innova starts at 885k ) and rich can afford them.

At the same time, the concept vehicle called "PHUV" cannot be bought because no one eventually produced it.

In my opinion, the Pinoy masses can only afford this...



from Dasmarinas City, Cavite.. owner type jeep and tricycle (green tricycle)

or this...


Courtesy of Sleepwalker of SSC and langyaw.com

Cebu made jeepneys....

or....



Courtesy of OceanBreezein of SSC and Philippine-reisin.com

Cagayan de Oro jeepney...

[uls]

if we are gonna be specific with terminology, most Filipino "masses" also could not afford those passenger utility vehicles which cost more than P100,000 each

the true car of the masses is not a car

it's a motorcycle

just look at the number of "single" motorbikes on the road today

i'd like to see LTO data on new motorbike registrations

if there's a 5-year chart, it would definitely show an upward slope

anyone with a job that pays a little above minimun can afford to buy a motorbike (thru hulugan)

that's the true people's "car"

[ghosthunter]

So the PHUV should actually be a motorcycle?

[uls]

hehe

more like the PHUV should be PRICED like a motorcycle

haha



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"single" motorbikes are so popular with the masses coz of price and availability of financing

it's personal transport that's within reach of the masses

it's not something the masses can only dream about but it's something that's really attainable

brand new, pretty, and affordable

an average wage earner can walk into a motorcycle dealer and ride home on his brand new motorbike

[scharnhorst]

an average wage earner can walk into a motorcycle dealer and ride home on his brand new motorbike

Then he'll be carted off into the ER when something goes wrong.

tapos ginagamit pa as a family vehicle. Usually tatay sa harap, nanay sa likod, baby naka sandwich sa gitna.

There should be a tata nano-like vehicle for the Philippines. Halos kapresyo ng motor pero at least merong 4 wheels at proper cabin (asa na nga lang sa crash safety though, and sobrang gaganda talaga ang traffic situation sa city pag nagkaroon ng ganyan)

[andywesteast]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

[uls]

no investors, no PHUV

[marg]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

Akala ko the Tsikot PHUV will teach how the local industry how to make a car. May RFID pa daw ilalagay. Plus hi-tech body design pa daw.

Ningas Cogon lang pala. Since Page 1 hanggang Page 86 na tayo wala pa din.

Pa-Meeting meeting pa. All Talk.

[uls]

it's unsellable

either it's ugly or too expensive

probably both

if you build something ugly, you better price it really, really cheap

at least people will think of even considering it

they can't price it cheap coz the cost of production is so high

they can only price it high to recover the cost and make some profit

which they fail to do coz nobody's buying... not even at cost

which leaves them with the choice of selling at a loss

which defeats the purpose of going into business in the first place

now you know why the smart money imports finished goods (think cars from China)

[marg]

2010 na wala pa yung TSIKOT PHUV.

2007 pa pina-plano ito. Puro drawing lang ba?

Puro HANGIN lang.

[hein]

My assessment of the situation is that you guys do not have the capabilities nor resources to build a vehicle prototype.

A Phuv prototype will cost from 700,000 to 800,000 pesos. How do you people plan to finance this?

Please do not be shocked at my questions because these are real world considerations that you are facing in building your vehicle.

Drawing concept cars is easy, it takes only a few hours of free time. Bringing it to the next step of designing and blue-printing individual parts is something that needs professional attention. Then the "taxi meter" will start running.

I am asking you "veteran tsikoteers" to start looking at this project from a professional point of view. If not, you guys will still be in square one a year from now.

So TRUE. Still a Drawing at 2010.

[uls]

Originally Posted by spectral
My assessment of the situation is that you guys do not have the capabilities nor resources to build a vehicle prototype.

A Phuv prototype will cost from 700,000 to 800,000 pesos. How do you people plan to finance this?

Please do not be shocked at my questions because these are real world considerations that you are facing in building your vehicle.

Drawing concept cars is easy, it takes only a few hours of free time. Bringing it to the next step of designing and blue-printing individual parts is something that needs professional attention. Then the "taxi meter" will start running.

I am asking you "veteran tsikoteers" to start looking at this project from a professional point of view. If not, you guys will still be in square one a year from now.

i think the members have the money to build a few PHUVs if they all chip in

thing is, i wouldnt call it an investment

it would be more like gambling (or throwing away money)

let's say they're able to build 3 fully running units

the members or "investors" will have to make ROI

if the cost per unit is around P800,000

they'll have to sell those at P840,000 each to make a 5% profit on each unit (wala pa VAT yan)

question: will anyone out there buy a PHUV at P840,000?

if you're in the market for an AUV and your budget is P840,000, there are a number of AUVs you can choose from in that price range

what are the chances you would choose the PHUV?

that's the BRICK WALL all local car builders face

pricing

the only way they'll sell the PHUV is to price it much lower than foreign brands

the market would consider a brand new PHUV if it was priced at P200,000

but at over P500,000... not likely

but nobody here can produce a modern, high quality, high standard motor vehicle from scratch at low cost

the cost of production here is so high that nobody will be able to make ROI

anyone who has sunk money into such projects have never made back their money

it's easy to come up with designs

and a determined group of people can always build a prototype or 2

BUT

they never make it to mass production

coz they always hit the economic BRICK WALL

[ehnriko]

The life span of an average man is around 80 yrs. old.

If one cannot do what he always wanted to do during his lifetime, the he probably wont be able to do it at all - forever.

If anyone should make a prototype - it is what it is. Nobody should expect to profit from building a prototype because it is meant to be a working model for manufacturing analysis and also for field testing data including burn in and break in or other testing protocols.

The value one can get from the prototype is the Studies and Data Analysis which is worth more than 10 times than the actual cost of the Prototype... but you cannot really put a figure on this. However, it gives one the leverage and position to make decisions... like - gather shareholders, capital, etc.

Nobody will jump into the waters filled with crocodiles even if there is a beautiful princess waiting at the other side of the pool unless they're crazy or a genius or just simply swimming for their lives because some smart jack pushed them into the pool.

hmmmmm.... I think - I'll stop right here muna.

[donbuggy]

Just reflecting out loud here..

Maybe we can share this old song to put more boost with positive thinkers.

YouTube- Frank Sinatra High Hopes

Just what makes that little old ant - think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows that ant can't move that rubber tree plant.

But he's got High hopes. :-)

Frank Sinatra also sang "High Hopes" in "A Hole in the Head". This 1959 movie is about a hotel owner (Sinatra) who has big dreams but doesn't have the money to make them come true. His free-spirited girlfriend calls him a kiwi - a bird that cannot fly.

Another song in "A Hole in the Head" is "The Monkeys Have No Tails in Zamboanga" (sung by the girlfriend) although the racist lyrics were changed to:

Oh, the monkeys tell no tales in Zamboanga,
Oh, the monkeys tell no tales in Zamboanga,
Oh, the monkeys tell no tales,
'Cause the monkeys they're all males,
And this monkey's on her way to Zamboanga.

[lyrics from "A Hole in the Head" (1959) DVD]

[Helios]

Puro HANGIN lang.

indeed. "hangin" lang as in "hang-in-there" or hang-on

might need a pinch of salt with any of these;

if one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again.
-flavia weedn

pain is inevitable. suffering is optional.
-m. kathleen casey

we must embrace pain and burn it as fuel for our journey.
kenji miyazawa

if you're going through hell, keep going.
-winston churchill

he who has a why to live can bear almost any how.
-friedrich nietzsche

i have heard there are troubles of more than one kind.
some come from ahead and some come from behind.
but I've bought a big bat. i'm all ready you see.
now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!
-dr. seuss


funny: you guys put so much effort and time giving them poor phuv team a telling off as if these guys would easily yield. history has shown you can't ignore these "few good men" so i reckon you join them instead (no matter how long the proj takes). fingers cross...

[EVO-V]

I think people are forgetting a few things when it comes to just sheer economics surrounding constructing a new vehicle.

For one it requires a ridiculous sum of money to design, prototype, tool up and manufacture just one vehicle model.

Given that, one would need to achieve a few things.

First is an already established platform on which one can build a unique body and interior on to mitigate a majority of the engineering and design costs.

Second is to have a sufficiently desirable product so it would sell enough to have a return on investment.

Third a manufacturer willing to give up production time for this.

Fourth a financier.

Truth be told, if you look at how major automotive manufacturers are going about things to reduce costs, their vehicles are sharing platforms, parts, and even defects.

We can possibly get enough people to prototype one PHUV in clay, and heck, even with hand fabbed parts given the time and resources to make a mock up.

But the economic sense of having a vehicle designed for a specific market that sells only a few tens of thousands of cars a year total, doesn't really make it a viable commercial activity.

This product will have to compete in a mature market that doesn't necessarily give any particularly compelling differentiation from what is already available.

So really, I personally think that the previous PHUV exercise was a purely cosmetic attempt that came at the expense of our aspirations in an attempt to get tax exemptions for industries that evidently didn't bother improving themselves.

The notion of having our "very own" sometimes has to give way to sheer sensibility. Our market for cars is too small, we can't artificially enforce a market for a homegrown vehicle like the Malaysians have, without it coming at the expense of the motoring consumers. Even then, Eon is bleeding hard earned Malaysian Ringgits.

We really are better off focusing on other industries as it would simply cost us too much to expend opportunities and resources on this endeavor.

[AC]

masarap po mangarap... but sana.. mangangarap tayo yung possible po sana... wag suntok sa buwan..

kahit gano ka katagal magtraining di mo masusuntok buwan...

sorry team phuv... but... get real po..

[romski123]

habang may buhay may pag asa

[jpdm]

habang may buhay may pag asa

Agree.


And maybe the government through PBV (Philippine Brand Vehicle) program under BOI's Motor Vehicle Development Program (MVDP) with the support of CAMPI and MVPMAP, we can finally have a Philippine design and made vehicle.


Of course the e-jeepney is a start.