Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[OyiL]

hi to all

some more

volt panzer

where did you get that? Is that toy yours? or picture lang. gusto ko nyan. sorry OT.

[varga]

hi to all

some more design inputs

citroen c-crosser

[jpdm]

ogpro,

no need to point out who's not constructive, its a waste of time.

Tsikot PHUv team,

Remember what Japan, Taiwan and Korea did, their miracle economies started by building their own capabilities--e.g coming up with imitations of western products through reverse engineering; unreliable and ugly vehicles, tvs and radio. The important lesson here is that the japanese, taiwanese and koreans, with eyes closed, patronized their national products. In the 1950s, products coming from these countries are of poor quality.

Whatever money these " inferior industrial products" earned in their home country, were re-invested in R&D to improve their products.

Now, especially Japan (no.2 economic power:source of world class industrial products), Korea (3rd largest economy in asia), and Taiwan (top 20 trading nation in the world with OEM capability in auto, electrical, semicon and electronics).

Its a growth model that we should emulate, konting sakripisyo, sa PHUV ng MVPMAP, sa PHUV ng Tsikot at ang i-de-develop pag ibang PHUV.

Bilib naman ako sa mga nag-ko-contribute sa thread. Hein et al know what they are talking about. And that is what the PHUV proponents and the dying domestic auto industry need.

Again win-win solution ito. pag nabuhay ang parts industry dahil sa PHUV-the ancillary (related) industries will follow. maraming makikinabang na FILIPINO!

Look at Korea, di ba? hiram lang sa sasakyang hapon ang itsura at kaso-kasuan ng mga sasakyan nila tulad ng hyundai (mitsubishi), kia (mazda), sangyong (mercedes), daewoo (gm).

Fast forward today, Hyundai has Tucson and Starex, best selling di ba?

Kung kaya ng Korea ( kasing laki lang ng Mindanao), kaya din natin. payag ba tayo na mas matalino sila sa atin at bobo tayo? Kung pang star section ang Japan, taiwan, Korea,Thailand--tayo dun sa pinakabulok na section?

Just imagine if we can work together, perhaps by simple endorsement and through word of mouth that whatever PHUV will come out , we can help sell the PHUVt then, cguro naman aayusin na ng MVPMAP ang PHUV o maggagawa ng ibang version to suit the sophisticated taste of private owners.

I hope the PHUV will be patronize by the million strong transport group in the Philippines and gain loyal following from private owners too, if not in urban areas at least in the countryside.

Long live the PHUV proponents!!!

[hein]

The important lesson here is that the japanese, taiwanese and koreans, with EYES CLOSED, patronized their national products. In the 1950s, products coming from these countries are of poor quality.

BLIND NATIONALISM has no place in this GLOBALIZED world. Don't get me wrong, I do patronize Philippine products but I demand quality for my hard-earned money. I prefer JOLLIBEE over McDO, OISHI over PRINGLES, C2 over COCA-COLA.

The problem kasi with MVPMAP kasi is they are shoving us with an INFERIOR-made PHUV which is no different from the ANFRAs and asking the market to pay almost P400,000 for it. At that level, the competition is FIERCE. From the second-hand REVOs, L300's, ADVENTURES and CROSSWINDS to the feature-packed Subic 4x4 Pajeros. The people will be comparison-shopping before they give up that much money.

And jpdm, how can be so sure that these Chinese engines would be reliable? Have you had any experience with them as an owner?

[A121]

BLIND NATIONALISM has no place in this GLOBALIZED world. Don't get me wrong, I do patronize Philippine products but I demand quality for my hard-earned money. I prefer JOLLIBEE over McDO, OISHI over PRINGLES, C2 over COCA-COLA.

The problem kasi with MVPMAP kasi is they are shoving us with an INFERIOR-made PHUV which is no different from the ANFRAs and asking the market to pay almost P400,000 for it. At that level, the competition is FIERCE. From the second-hand REVOs, L300's, ADVENTURES and CROSSWINDS to the feature-packed Subic 4x4 Pajeros. The people will be comparison-shopping before they give up that much money.

And jpdm, how can be so sure that these Chinese engines would be reliable? Have you had any experience with them as an owner?

~oooohhh blind nationalism, i like the term. there was a time in south korea that foreign cars such as BMWs are vandalized. the koreans are too proud of their hyundais and kias.

i am not saying that the thing is good but the thing is just a prototype. there are lots of things for improvement.

and...

if you don't like the car, then the car isn't for you. its for someone else.

[ogpro]

ogpro,

no need to point out who's not constructive, its a waste of time.

Well you certainly wasted time enough to call them names eh? Kung may pinatatamaan ka, panindigan mo. Where do you get off calling people who are trying to keep things realistic ELITISTA, and then try to shrug it off when you're called on it?

Out of respect to this thread, I'm not going to take this any further here, but know that I'm not going to let you get away with calling people names and then walk away from it. Your colors are showing, and as much as you want to tout the yellow, blue, and red, it ain't pretty. You just displayed the pinoy's biggest obstacle, themselves. Someone points out something that could use improvement or that might be an issue and you flip out and call them negative instead of dealing with it. That's something your nationalistic rah rah rah isn't going to fix. It's one thing to be vocally hyper-nationalistic, but I guess it takes a hell of a lot more cajones to face an issue. (translation = "put your money where your mouth is")

Take it to PM if you wish, but I'm through with you here.

[hein]

~oooohhh blind nationalism, i like the term. there was a time in south korea that foreign cars such as BMWs are vandalized. the koreans are too proud of their hyundais and kias.

i am not saying that the thing is good but the thing is just a prototype. there are lots of things for improvement.

and...

if you don't like the car, then the car isn't for you. its for someone else.

Its a NEW world now, baby. BMW is the top selling luxury import in KOREA.

Unfortunately, when you are set for production within the year I don't think there is not much you can change.


Look at the CHEAP radio cassette. Even my maid has a CD/MP3 player. Sana naman they plugged up the holes before showing this to GMA. Konting PULIDO naman. Can't you even hide those screws?!?

Are you seriously going to sell 30,000 units of this in a year at P400T?

[oldblue]

yun chevy venture namin dati , ang resale value na ata ngaun 350k - 380k. napakasarap sumakay para ka nasa eroplano

na-miss ko tuloy hehehe

[jedi]

Again, this is my last and final warning to everyone, this thread is for Tsikot phuv prototype, post your comments/rants etc etc to the mvpmap's phuv feedback thread. anything posted after this that is considered offtopic will be deleted... pasensya na pero gumugulo ang thread na ito eh...

pinaghiwahiwalay ko na nga yung mga threads para mas madali sa mga readers...

PARANG AWA NYO NA!!!

[knight23]

the thread is already pretty long, so please be considerate... just ranting...

1. why not start on an existing platform, like what the China is doing. buy the old designs (ie: previous gen. revo) and start from there.

2. the goal would be to produce a vehicle which would be able to compete at the currently available AUVs and vans in terms of reliability, performance and looks at a MUCH cheaper price. we are trying to move forward so it must be competitive.

3. minimize the use of imported components (limited to the engine and transmission), all components should be made locally in a modern(competitive) assembly line, maybe buy(donate/invest) the equipments from the closing plants in the US. and also how's the quality of steel made here in the philippines?

4. financial support/research partnership from foreign government/companies. and also this should be tax-free(to keep cost down).