Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[ghosthunter]

So JPDM, when you will be building your 100% "PINOY" car?

Do what you preach, right?

[scharnhorst]

Give me a good sniper rifle & a box of ammo and I will show you how why it's called one shot one kill.


Dead serious.

who wants to chip in for a Barrett?

[jpdm]

So JPDM, when you will be building your 100% "PINOY" car?

Do what you preach, right?

Im not preaching that we build a 100% Pinoy Car, GHOSTHUNTER.. You may back read all my posts.

Example:

...As you can see, Im only for the revival of the local auto industry. Or at most, reduce to a minimum our over dependence on imports (imported spareparts and vehicles).

The Thailand model seems to be the most practical for us to follow where the government will give incentives to all vehicle companies not just to assemble but to manufacture parts and completely built up units as well....

I am only advocating for the return of manufacturing here. And it doesnt matter if the Japanese, American, Korean and Chinese will do it for us (like in Thailand and Taiwan). But of course, I also want to see Pinoys competing side by side or complementing them by supplying the spare parts......

Last edited by jpdm; 11-07-2009 at 06:57 AM.

Back to do what you preach, get you ammo and start killing politicians. You said your dead serious..Im waiting for your first kill...

Just my opinion...

Anyway, Merry Christmas!!

[AC]

you didnt realize hes being sarcastic that last post of him.. hehe...

hindi dahil dead serious nakalagay its true....
try handing him a sniper rifle.. hehe

conclusion: were not going to have a filipino built engine/ phuv..

my suggestion: we may not have our own engines/technology.. but i know filipinos are good modders.. baka may mabuo kayo... one-off vehicle na eye stunning talaga... kahit corolla lang sa ilalim... like that guy from bangladesh.. hehe that would be somewhat cool...

but i meant maganda talaga ha... better than what that bangladeshi does... kasi tingin ko his products are not that good(we might find someone here do a better job)... and ofcourse way way better than atoy creations.... hehe nakita ko atoy creation... yung hatch na topdown na mukhang palakang kalbo... hehehe... its creative but its not in anyway spectacular... proud na proud mayari.. i think little bro ng maker.. hehe.

[jpdm]

you didnt realize hes being sarcastic that last post of him.. hehe...

hindi dahil dead serious nakalagay its true....
try handing him a sniper rifle.. hehe

noted.

conclusion: were not going to have a filipino built engine/ phuv..

my suggestion: we may not have our own engines/technology.. but i know filipinos are good modders.. baka may mabuo kayo... one-off vehicle na eye stunning talaga... kahit corolla lang sa ilalim... like that guy from bangladesh.. hehe that would be somewhat cool...

but i meant maganda talaga ha... better than what that bangladeshi does... kasi tingin ko his products are not that good(we might find someone here do a better job)... and ofcourse way way better than atoy creations.... hehe nakita ko atoy creation... yung hatch na topdown na mukhang palakang kalbo... hehehe... its creative but its not in anyway spectacular... proud na proud mayari.. i think little bro ng maker.. hehe.

Right now, tama ka. Malabo.

Pero malay natin pag wala na tayo sa mundong ito, sa future dun makagawa Pinoy..

Agree with your statements.

Actually ok lang kung borrowed technology. Dun na lang magsimula. of course, purely academic ito. Unless, a pinoy corporation with take this seriously which Columbian Motors attempted to do in the past by buying and using an "old and ordinary" German engine design...(of course during the heydays of Columbian Autocars of Elena LIm and Alvarez, assembling the best selling kia pride and the heydays of the so-called Pinoy AUVs)

[Benji_DCP]

The question I have in mind here is: Do we really have to build our own Philippine Car? For What? For our own "national" ego? This country has already missed the boat, due to greedy/selfish leaders, poor governance and a damaged culture which was never rectified....

With the country's wealth held by a few people or families (caciques), and the central tendency of the rich to be "risk averse", probably a handful of them could be considered industrialists who would invest their money on manufacturing technologies. They would rather start with joint-ventures with established industry players in the world (to mitigate risks). Somehow due to some of the situations I have mentioned above, we never got to spin-off to build our own national industry.

[jpdm]

The question I have in mind here is: Do we really have to build our own Philippine Car? For What? For our own "national" ego?

Well, Mahathir of Malaysia built Proton and Perodua for Malaysian ego. Why not?

On the otherhand, we dont need a national car, what we need to build up is our capability to build vehicles, especially "niche" vehicles like PHUV or AUV with as many local parts as possible and the soon to be implemented new MVDP of our BOI has already considered with numerous incentives. Actually, most local car assemblers (Mitsubishi, Toyota, Honda, Isuzu and Ford) and local car parts manufacturers (MVPMAP) support the new program.

This country has already missed the boat, due to greedy/selfish leaders, poor governance and a damaged culture which was never rectified....

Yes, indeed we miss the boat for now, but I think, academically, we can still catch up, albeit in supplying the local needs. I have already posted here in tsikot press releases made y BOI and Mitsubishi regarding potentials of the Philippine market for locally produced vehicles not necessarily 100% Pinoy car.

With the country's wealth held by a few people or families (caciques), and the central tendency of the rich to be "risk averse", probably a handful of them could be considered industrialists who would invest their money on manufacturing technologies. They would rather start with joint-ventures with established industry players in the world (to mitigate risks). Somehow due to some of the situations I have mentioned above, we never got to spin-off to build our own national industry.

Indeed.

Ironically, the in fact invested in certain manufacturing technologies but at a very limited scale. For instance, Ferdinand Torres partnered with Yazaki to produce wiring harness for local use and export. The group Almazora and Juan families for AUV, bus and Truck body manufacturing.

Ayala, Yuchengco, Roxas for local vehicle assembly.

Yung nga lang hanngagang dun lang no real full manufacturing of vehicles like Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia.

For me, it doesnt matter if we build vehciles with foreign technology and foreign capital in joint venture with Pinoys) as long as we build and manufacture it here in the country.

[AC]

merry christmas!!!:D to both believers and non believers.. hahaha

[kitsons]

Killing all the corrupt government officials would be a good start.

[SIZE=4]This is a no solution Ghosthunter orjwill justput Philippine Society in oblivion with the lawlessness that it implies...

who are th corrupt?... how do you prove they are corrupt?... etc.
... if you really are thinking of solutions.


Do you have any alternative proposal for a solution since what you propose is either not doable nor really is a solution since bumping some people off does not necessarily mean that they are not replaced if not of the same devious personalities of the same character and may perhaps be even worse.

What's your other alternative solution that is more doable?.
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[kitsons]

Im not preaching that we build a 100% Pinoy Car, GHOSTHUNTER.. You may back read all my posts.

Example:

Back to do what you preach, get you ammo and start killing politicians. You said your dead serious..Im waiting for your first kill...

Just my opinion...

Anyway, Merry Christmas!!

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Subject: Re: Fw: The Beliefs of a Religious Moron
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Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 12:53 PM

[SIZE=2]Poch,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]I hope these Chinese Christians are not among those whom you call[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]religious morons.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]These people put their lives where their mouth is. Talk is cheap, especially in countries that allow freedopm of expression and freedom to worship or not to worship.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]These people have more balls than we have sensitivity. Even if they are[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]moronic [/SIZE][SIZE=2]for believing enough to keep bibles in their homes (for which they were summarily executed), they were willing to risk their lives for their faith.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Are we willing to give up our lives for our non-faith?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Again I say, talk is cheap. If one is willing to die for what he says, then[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=2]And to think that these people weren't sending out emails condemning[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Chinese atheists. They were minding their own business - believing in[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]what they wish to believe. The difference is that their atheist state[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]executed them for it.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]What if our situation were reversed and atheists were shot for not[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]having faith? Are there atheists who will be as brave as these moronic[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Chinese Christians?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]For the third time I say - talk is cheap.[/SIZE]

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[scharnhorst]

my personal opinion on this is...

it's either revolution or reform.

but the current system is too corrupted to be reformed. so nothing short of a revolution would be sufficient.

[kitsons]

my personal opinion on this is...

it's either revolution or reform.

but the current system is too corrupted to be reformed. so nothing short of a revolution would be sufficient.

[SIZE=4]
I agree with you scharnhorst that we need a revolution here... but certainly a bloodless revolution and part of this bloodless revolution can be by allowing our less fortunate brother/sister Filipino's more mobility and better opportunity to improving their living standards.

This I believe is where we here in this forum are certainly discussing on how to help in this revolution by thinking through on how we can just make more mobility possible instead of the gory solutions that are really no solution but adding to the problem we certainly do not need as we have enough so much so that much of the Filipino Nation is already overwhelmed into immobility.[/SIZE][SIZE=4]

We need fresh ideas how to get off the cyclical retrogressive conditions our society is operating with at this time ... and perhaps coming up with our own vehicle to serve the transport needs of those in the lower economic echelons of Philippine Society can afford and use to hasten there development and economic empowerment for the progress of our country.[/SIZE]

[jpdm]

Let's hope for a brighter future for the local auto industry!

Merry Christmas to all!:party::santa:

[Benji_DCP]

Creative Destruction (from the concept of J. Schumpeter) is what this country would probably need. This may be a bit too radical though...

[Benji_DCP]

haha

whatever dude

your diatribe won't change anything

the country is a manpower agency

and will be a manpower agency for many more years

My take and my thoughts on this:
This situation should be transformed into a position of strength for this country. In this era of Globalization were developed nations demand access of their goods into our markets, this country should likewise demand that this is reciprocated by allowing Philippine labor into their country. And to ensure the competitiveness of our "exported" work force, the Government through its agencies should ensure that we send highly trained/skilled/god moral character individuals for the foreign markets. Case in point here could be the worldwide maritime industry, were the Philippines is the the top provider of seamen to the worlds maritime fleet. It is reported that there are almost half-a-million of Filipino seamen in the world wide maritime fleets.

Thanks to the Filipino overseas workers, our country's economy remains afloat despite all of the financial crisis that have hit the region/world in the past 13 years. They are also a potential market segment for any locally assembled vehicle, the PhUV included ( if it pushes through).

[uls]

My take and my thoughts on this:
This situation should be transformed into a position of strength for this country. In this era of Globalization were developed nations demand access of their goods into our markets, this country should likewise demand that this is reciprocated by allowing Philippine labor into their country. And to ensure the competitiveness of our "exported" work force, the Government through its agencies should ensure that we send highly trained/skilled/god moral character individuals for the foreign markets. Case in point here could be the worldwide maritime industry, were the Philippines is the the top provider of seamen to the worlds maritime fleet. It is reported that there are almost half-a-million of Filipino seamen in the world wide maritime fleets.

Thanks to the Filipino overseas workers, our country's economy remains afloat despite all of the financial crisis that have hit the region/world in the past 13 years. They are also a potential market segment for any locally assembled vehicle, the PhUV included( if it pushes through).

i'd like to comment on this sentence:

They are also a potential market segment for any locally assembled vehicle, the PhUV included( if it pushes through).

the OFWs have been sending money home for decades

the amount of remittances keep rising every year

OFWs are now remitting upwards of $1B per month (around $15B a year)

the money goes into real residential estate, motor vehicles, electrical appliances, consumer spending

(pag nagkapera ang tao, ang mga unang bibilhin ay bahay, sasakyan, gamit sa bahay)

motor vehicles get a large piece of the OFW remittance pie

then why is it after decades of inflow of OFW money into the Philippine motor vehicle market, there still isnt a 100% pinoy car manufacturing industry that produces 100% pinoy motor vehicles?

there are a number of assemblers of foreign brand motor vehicles here

there are a number of CBU importers here

but the only truly local motor vehicle producers here are small scale AUV/OTJ/Wrangler/PUJ builders... which arent really 100% local coz they all use Japan surplus engines, drivetrains, parts

yes, OFW money does go into purchases of pang-hanapbuhay motor vehicles like AUVs/PUJs

but the amount is small compared to OFW money that goes into purchases of foreign brand motor vehicles

the market share of AUV/PUJ builders isnt big enough to justify multi-billion peso investments in production of 100% pinoy motor vehicles

it's no longer a matter of "potential"

we can use the word "potential" 2 or 3 decades ago sana... when the OFW phenomena was relatively new...

at that time, we could say "hey, those pinoys working abroad are sending home a lot of money... we can see them buying/building houses, buying cars, TVs... we can build cars and earn part of that OFW spending."

but now, decades after the OFW phenomena, the pinoy car builders are still struggling for market share

the locally-assembled foreign brands and CBUs continue to suck in more OFW money than the local builders

the market has already spoken

OFWs want Toyotas and Hondas

their standard of living is rising, their tastes have become more sophisticated

they demand quality and prestige

to those who dream of THE PINOY BRAND of motor vehicles...

to those who want to steal market share from the foreign brands...

here's what i have to say: if you wanna build a car, build a car people will want to buy.

[ghosthunter]

here's what i have to say: If you wanna build a car, build a car people will want to buy.

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[jpdm]

My take and my thoughts on this:
This situation should be transformed into a position of strength for this country. In this era of Globalization were developed nations demand access of their goods into our markets, this country should likewise demand that this is reciprocated by allowing Philippine labor into their country. And to ensure the competitiveness of our "exported" work force, the Government through its agencies should ensure that we send highly trained/skilled/god moral character individuals for the foreign markets. Case in point here could be the worldwide maritime industry, were the Philippines is the the top provider of seamen to the worlds maritime fleet. It is reported that there are almost half-a-million of Filipino seamen in the world wide maritime fleets.

Thanks to the Filipino overseas workers, our country's economy remains afloat despite all of the financial crisis that have hit the region/world in the past 13 years. [SIZE=4]They are also a potential market segment for any locally assembled vehicle,[/SIZE] the [SIZE=4]PhUV included [/SIZE]( if it pushes through).

+1,000.000

[uls]

again, OFWs have been sending money to the Philippines for decades

if there's a "potential market", that "potential market" would have been reality already

Now, more than FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR is being sent to the Phils. by OFWs

but local motor vehicle builders are still struggling

looks like very little OFW money is going to the local builders

so much for potential market

maybe we should give the local builders another 20 or 30 years to realize their "potential"

[ghosthunter]

[SIZE="3"]Let us be realistic, which one would the "pinoy" masses would really buy?[/SIZE]


The PHUV?


or

a Toyota Innova?