NEWS: Rise OF electric VEHICLES

[ghosthunter]

IMHO, I dont subscribe with your assessment or idea about these alternatives. For me, they are feasible and realistic alternatives in the near future and its a good thing this Arroyo government realized their importance with the passage of the RE law and the climate control law. the Biofuels act of Zubiri also is a landmark law.The Agenda 21 (sustainable development) of the Ramos administration should be continued by future Philippine govenment and our adherance to the Kyoto Protocol should be sustained.

Of course, everything has a cost. But such externalities and spillovers are alot manageable and acceptable compared to our over-dependence on hydrocarbons (getting costly) and its impact to the environment.

I forgot to mentioned windpower, which I think the government has pending investment proposals coming from foreign and local investors.

The era of the coal powerplants, diesel powerplants must come to an end.

Now, are you telling me these are not alternatives?

What is your alternatives then if some ecological economists' idea that eventually hydrocarbon will run out?

By the way, are you an ecological economist?

I really want to know.

Because all sorts of alternatives put forward by ecological experts seem to be not feasible to you.

I am not saying it is not feasible. I am just saying we should be prepared if and when you implement a plan. As we know, heads do roll when things go wrong in the Philippines with all the finger pointing being done.

One plan that might be feasible in deforested lands would be a wood gassifier powerplant. A single wod gassifier power plant would be supported by a certain amount of man made forest of fast growing trees. The trees are harvested for their wood to be used to fuel the wood gassifier. The ash can be used as fertilizer. The system would be carbon neutral.

[Benji_DCP]

The Philippines must re-think its policy on Nuclear Energy. In my opinion, if the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant was activated in the mid 80's, the country should be reaping the benefits of lower electricity generation cost, which in turn could have made its industries more competitive. Perhaps the country should by now have a couple Nuclear power plants. There are very few industrialized countries which "do not" have nuclear power plants. Our SE Asian neighbors are in the process of building their own Nuclear plants.

Blame our politicians.

[ghosthunter]

The Philippines must re-think its policy on Nuclear Energy. In my opinion, if the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant was activated in the mid 80's, the country should be reaping the benefits of lower electricity generation cost, which in turn could have made its industries more competitive. Perhaps the country should by now have a couple Nuclear power plants. There are very few industrialized countries which "do not" have nuclear power plants. Our SE Asian neighbors are in the process of building their own Nuclear plants.

Blame our politicians.

Well, one nuclear power station might not lower rates but a few more would definitely lower power rates to better levels.

Personally I do not see a valid reason why we should avoid nuclear power. The only major problem would be nuclear waste disposal but that part could be done by on-site long term storage or by selling the material to other countries who can re-process it for other uses.

[Benji_DCP]

I believe the next leaders of this country should review its policies on Nuclear Energy. There are probably more effective ways and means to dispose of nuclear waste now a days.

I am just wondering, how our government handles the documentation requirements of electric vehicles, if there are any running around in the metro roads, aside from one or two e-jeepneys?

Questions I have in mind are:
Is the LTO yearly registration cheaper or free? Any incentives?
Do they have a special series license plates?
How would the LTO/PNP handle electric motor engine conversions of existing gasoline engine vehicles? More red tape?

Any electric cars with air conditioning?? Otherwise, they dont seem viable in Metro Manila roads under the sweltering afternoon heat.

[niky]

Nuclear... well.. the only reason to do it is because we've spent on it, already... but there are analysts who point out that the cost-effectiveness of Nuclear power isn't really as big as its proponents would have you believe.

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Hydro-electric... oh... what a can of worms... it took Ondoy for Manilans to find out what we in Laguna have known for years... dams suck. Hydroelectricity is nice and fine if you don't live downstream from the dam... :hysterical: ...but the ecological damage is a valid concern.

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Windpower is interesting... but there are a lot of problems with the technology... the cost of windpower stations... maintenance (which is a big thing with windpower... your generators are outdoors and exposed to the elements) and the fickleness of the wind.

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I do believe wind, solar, hydro and geothermal power will make up much of our powergrid in the future (hell... we've been ahead of the curve in geothermal for decades)... but like GH says... there are still issues to overcome.

[jpdm]

The Philippines must re-think its policy on Nuclear Energy. In my opinion, if the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant was activated in the mid 80's, the country should be reaping the benefits of lower electricity generation cost, which in turn could have made its industries more competitive. Perhaps the country should by now have a couple Nuclear power plants. There are very few industrialized countries which "do not" have nuclear power plants. Our SE Asian neighbors are in the process of building their own Nuclear plants.

Blame our politicians.

Korean Power or Kepco (after inspecting it for free using Korean nuclear experts) just reported that BNPP's can still be rehabilitated and used. And Congress, led by Cong. Mark Cojuangco wants to see BNPP delivering power as soon as possible.

Anyway, if they can run the BNPP safely (and dispose the reactor's waste properly), why not...

[jpdm]

...I am just wondering, how our government handles the documentation requirements of electric vehicles, if there are any running around in the metro roads, aside from one or two e-jeepneys?...

Questions I have in mind are:
Is the LTO yearly registration cheaper or free? Any incentives?
Do they have a special series license plates?
How would the LTO/PNP handle electric motor engine conversions of existing gasoline engine vehicles? More red tape?

Any electric cars with air conditioning?? Otherwise, they dont seem viable in Metro Manila roads under the sweltering afternoon heat.

What I know is that they have orange plates..we can ask Romski123 about these because I would like to ask the same questions...

[romski123]

Is the LTO yearly registration cheaper or free? nope its the same

Any incentives?
Do they have a special series license plates? yes theyre orange.

How would the LTO/PNP handle electric motor engine conversions of existing gasoline engine vehicles? More red tape? we havent tried it yet

Any electric cars with air conditioning?? no aircon yet for the ejeepney. but for the reva there is!

[niky]

Any electric [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]cars[/COLOR][/COLOR] with air conditioning?? no aircon yet for the ejeepney. but for the reva there is!

Is AC in an electric worth paying 600-700k more over similar vehicles? Nope. Other two seaters in the same vein as the REVAi were projected to cost around 250-350k... I wonder if it'll be possible to customize a local AC unit with an electric compressor.

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*romski: how long did it take them to process the plates for your e-jeep?

[jpdm]

Manufacturer Aptera Motors, Inc.
Production 2009 (planned)
Assembly United States Predecessor Aptera Mk-1
Class Subcompact Body style(s) 2-door three wheeled car Layout Front-engine, front-wheel drive layout

Wheelbase 111 in (282 cm)[2] Length 173 in (439 cm)[2] Width 91 in (231 cm)[2] Height 53 in (135 cm)[2]
Curb weight 1,500 lb (680 kg)[2] Fuel capacity 2e:10-13 kWh
Lithium iron phosphate battery[2]
2h: 5 gallons of gasoline
Electric range 2e: 100 mi (160 km)[2]
2h: 600 mi (970 km)
Designer Eleven

Source: Wikipedia

[jpdm]

Originally Posted by ehnriko

... all they need to do is carry or integrate a small portable generator to charge the batteries.

This basically makes the e-jeep a Hybrid per se. which literally makes it no different in essence to a Prius.

Originally Posted by donbuggy


Adding an engine and a generator to an electric vehicle makes it a series hybrid. The Prius is a parallel hybrid.

In series hybrids the engine is not mechanically connected to the wheels. It is simpler and cheaper than a parallel hybrid but not as efficient at high speeds.

In parallel hybrids the engine and electric motor are both connected to the wheels. It is more complicated and more expensive.

The series hybrid configuration is good enough for the low speed, stop-and-go traffic the jeepney goes through. The hybrid electric jeepney can have a longer range than the e-jeepney and can replace all the normal jeepneys in the city because of better [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]fuel [COLOR=blue ! important]economy[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. Additional bonus: air conditioning is possible.

Aptera Motors' 3 wheeler electric car

Engine(s) 2e: Electric motor
2h: Gasoline generator + Electric Motor[1]


Source Wikipedia

[renzo_d10]

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[Benji_DCP]

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Yep, this picture answers my questions on the EV registration/Plate number.

How about for gas engine conversions to electric motors like in the picture below? How would the LTO, handle this?


http://www.rowetel.com/ev.html
Though at A$8000 conversion cost for the car above, this is not economically viable for most of us.

[ehnriko]

Good Point Benjie!

Daihatsu Charade - Nice subject car for EV conversion... Go DCP Go! :-)

[Benji_DCP]

The technology for conversion to EV is available. The net offers so many info. But the cost of the batteries and the motor is so prohibitive (for the average motorist), that as someone had suggested here, the money would be better used in buying fuel efficient gas/diesel vehicles.

I am just intrigue on how the government would handle the process of EV conversions.

[ehnriko]

The technology for conversion to EV is available. The net offers so many info. But the cost of the batteries and the motor is so prohibitive (for the average motorist), that as someone had suggested here, the money would be better used in buying fuel efficient gas/diesel vehicles.

I am just intrigue on how the government would handle the process of EV conversions.

I have a friend who converted ANFRAs in the past into EV's. He somehow managed to get his cars licensed from LTO.

I might see him anytime soon... I'll also try to take a video of his nice EV in action.

His kits come from America using 5 to 15KW ADC motors, I test drove it a few months ago, I think they drive really good.

[jpdm]

I have a friend who converted ANFRAs in the past into EV's. He somehow managed to get his cars licensed from LTO.

I might see him anytime soon... I'll also try to take a video of his nice EV in action.

His kits come from America using 5 to 15KW ADC motors, I test drove it a few months ago, I think they drive really good.

*ehnriko, I would love to see these e-Anfras

[ghosthunter]

Guys, what would it take to convert an existing car to run on batteries? Given you guys have the costing on the e-jeepney, it might not be a long stretch to give a calculation on the price to convert an existing car to battery power and to have reasonable range and performance.

What do you say? It is not that I haven't done the exact same thing in the past but you might have a better grasp of the costing involved.

Say let us assume you will convert a Toyota Corolla AE89 has no power steering but the owner would like to retain power assisted brakes and aircon.

[niky]

I've been looking at those kits. Really expensive brand new.

If you can get the transmission adapter plate, as well as the drive adapter, it should be relatively easy to build locally... and here you can use secondhand motors and refurbished secondhand batteries to keep the costs down.

EDIT: *ghosthunter: so... you want to give it a shot this time? I think the brakes thing can be handled by an electric vacuum booster, available commercially. As of yet, there are still no electric AC conversions, but I think one could be cobbled together using a small household unit compressor...

[ghosthunter]

EDIT: *ghosthunter: so... you want to give it a shot this time? I think the brakes thing can be handled by an electric vacuum booster, available commercially. As of yet, there are still no electric AC conversions, but I think one could be cobbled together using a small household unit compressor...

Well, it won't hurt to give it another project study to do some pencil pushing to analyze the costing versus performance of the conversion.

As we know, the conversion is totally possible with existing off-the-shelf parts with only the minimal requirement of custom manufactured parts (mainly the adapter plate to mount the electric motor to the existing transmission). It is just a matter of making it economically feasible.