Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

[JJCarEnthusiast]

In short, hindi nga kaya gumawa ang PINOY ng sariling engine.

ang sinasabi ni niky, malamang walang mag iinvest sa mga locally manufactured engines. at this point siguro di pa nga kaya because of money pero who knows.

[marg]

Meron naba tayong nag dedesign ng engine at kayang mag build ng engine?

At this point siguro di pa nga kaya

There, you just answered your own question.

[wildthing]

I think I need more :pepsi: and :popcorn:

[JJCarEnthusiast]

i said "AT THIS POINT" i didn't said that we could NEVER do such thing.

[8n_half]

In short, hindi nga kaya gumawa ang PINOY ng sariling engine.

oo, latang pinoy {yes! the Pilipino can} the only problem is,,,,,kulang ng supporta at paniniwala sa kakayahan ng kapwa pinoy at sarili nating gobyerno, to do this, you need to bring your own design or invention out of the country to make this things happen,,,sad but true.

[TambayBlues]

The Chinese are really hell-bent on adopting Western Technology to improve their cars even to the point of seeking Technical Assistance from this British Company which was named in honor of Sir Harry Ricardo, one of the preeminent engineers in the development of the internal combustion engine.

Ricardo Assists China's SAIC Motor Into Production With KV6 Gasoline Engine in... - Auto News from January 10, 2007

VAN BUREN TWP., Mich., Jan. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Following an intensive program of production engineering, localization of component supply and commissioning of its brand new 15 million pound Baoshan engine manufacturing plant near Shanghai, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) Motor announced the start of production on the KV6 gasoline engine, which will power its Roewe brand products.

This announcement follows the unveiling of SAIC Motor's first own-brand car, the Roewe 750 sedan, at the China Auto Show in Beijing in November. The design of the new 140kW (188 hp) KV6 gasoline engine was part of the package that IPR purchased by SAIC Motor in 2004 from former UK automaker MG Rover. This IPR purchase did not, however, include the provision of any manufacturing tooling or background expertise. In response to these requirements, a new Ricardo subsidiary, Ricardo 2010 Consultants Ltd, was formed both to assist SAIC Motor into production with products based on the acquired IPR and also to act as the nucleus for the development of SAIC Motor's in-house automotive research and development capability for future product development.

The team from Ricardo 2010 who supported SAIC Motor on the manufacturing launch of the KV6 engine included key engineering staff whose role involved the detailed specification of the production equipment required for the new plant, as well as its installation and the commissioning needed for pilot production. In parallel with this, a team of 10 engineers were based in Shanghai for purposes of localization of component supply, including supplier selection and development of internationally competitive standards. As a result of the work by the joint Ricardo 2010 and SAIC Motor team, this powerful, Euro 4 compliant engine has been localized for almost total Chinese content and commissioned for manufacture in less than 14 months from the initial project specification.

"We congratulate SAIC Motor on the commencement of manufacture of the KV6, its first ever in-house engine," said Mark Garrett, Ricardo director of gasoline engineering. "This has been a tremendous achievement both for SAIC Motor and the Ricardo 2010 team who has assisted on this highly significant program. The results demonstrate our capability to deliver very rapid Chinese localization of supply without compromise to internationally recognized standards of quality, performance and emissions certification."

With its North American headquarters in Van Buren Twp., Mich., Ricardo -- a world-leading vehicle system and powertrain technology provider for automotive manufacturers, heavy-duty manufacturers and tier one suppliers -- has been providing value through innovation and technology for 100 years.Ricardo is the premium global deep-content engineering and management consulting partner for automotive, commercial vehicle and related industry sectors. The company provides complete engineering services from strategy through product concept, design release and validation, and all phases of the product lifecycle. Ricardo technical expertise lies in powertrain and driveline, vehicle engineering, hybrid and fuel cell technologies, controls and electronics, niche volume manufacturing and advanced simulation software.

Ricardo is committed to excellence and industry leadership in people, technology and knowledge. A public company based in the U.K., Ricardo plc posted sales of $272 million in fiscal year 2005 and is a part of the FTSE techMark 100 index -- a group of innovative technology companies listed on the London Stock Exchange. For more information, visit www.ricardo.com.

Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) Motor is one of China's leading automakers. In 2005 alone, it produced over 318,000 mainly GM-brand and VW-badged cars in China to international quality standards through its manufacturing joint ventures with General Motors and Volkswagen AG respectively. As such, SAIC Motor is already a significant automotive manufacturer on the international stage and is growing rapidly: 2005 production was up 34 percent on the previous year. Yet, as a major element of its forward strategy, the company aspires to acquire the capability to develop world-class automotive products under its own brand, both for distribution in China as well as for export to major international markets. In 2004, SAIC purchased the intellectual property rights of the Rover 75 and 25 products of former UK automaker MG Rover, as well as the K series gasoline and G series diesel engine families.

Ricardo 2010 Consultants Ltd was formed and is currently managed as an operating subsidiary of Ricardo plc to act as the overseas engineering center of SAIC motor. Through its links with the wider Ricardo group, it has ready- made access to specialist technology, design, test and development facilities -- assets which are invaluable for state-of-the-art automotive product development. On formation of Ricardo 2010, some of the most talented and highly skilled engineering staff of the former MG Rover organization were recruited and the UK engineering team rapidly grew to approximately 150 staff, representing some of the best talent available from the former MG Rover and other automotive organisations, assisted by fellow engineers and resources as necessary from other Ricardo divisions.

In addition to its role in developing the first new products for SAIC, Ricardo 2010 Consultants is assisting in the development of processes and systems for SAIC's growing in-house engineering organization, the Shanghai Automotive Engineering Academy (SAEA). It is envisaged that Ricardo 2010 Consultants will ultimately form the European development center of SAEA, focusing on advanced research and development and product adaptation for European markets.

[dongramos]

The reality is, mahina ang Pilipinas sa Engineering. Sa Politika at Showbiz magaling.

Let me just do a bullet list of my two cents worth.
- Pinoy Engineers to design and buid an engine? Definitely. Been there , done that. I was part of the project group that implemented a new engine design. had it prototyped, durability tested and eventually ready for production. Pinoy engineers were involved and even up to now they are still at it.
- .1 mm tolerance? of course and even much much closer tolerances were designed and implemented.
- Ricardo Engineers? worked with them before at their design facility in the UK near brighton.
- Can the Pinoys design and build and engine and even a complete vehicle from zero? Yes we certainly can, but you have to ask the good pinoy engineers to come home and do this for us. Make it worth their while too and not just for a sense of patriotism.
- Financial capability is another thing. It becomes a chicken and egg question. Will you hold off building a car or engine until the market can give you the required economy of scale? Or do you design such that the volume will give you the economy of scale you require. It is a risk and it is a business risk that the capital provider will have to make. This, I believe is the only factor that limits us. Technically the Pinoys can do it because we have done it already, unfortunately not in and for the Philippines.

[uls]

people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

no doubt magaling ang pinoy

pinoys can do anything they set their minds to

what's mostly lacking is the MEANS

[jjmd3_787]

people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

no doubt magaling ang pinoy

pinoys can do anything they set their minds to

what's mostly lacking is the MEANS

[SIZE=3]Kulang kasi talaga ng fundings or support from our government. Pano, ang tanging science lang na interesado sila e ang Political Science. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Sayang talaga, we have many brilliant minds in the Philippines![/SIZE]

[uls]

hindi naman po necessary ang govt support or funding

for example, yung mga pinoy na umakyat sa Mt. Everest

hindi ba they got funding from Lucio Tan and other private individuals?

my point is, if you have a great idea or a worthy cause, you will attract funding

there are many rich pinoys who are on the lookout to fund great ideas and ventures

(they are so ready to write you a check as long as they think your idea or cause is worthwhile)

[jpdm]

Let me just do a bullet list of my two cents worth.
- Pinoy Engineers to design and buid an engine? Definitely. Been there , done that. I was part of the project group that implemented a new engine design. had it prototyped, durability tested and eventually ready for production. Pinoy engineers were involved and even up to now they are still at it.
- .1 mm tolerance? of course and even much much closer tolerances were designed and implemented.
- Ricardo Engineers? worked with them before at their design facility in the UK near brighton.
- Can the Pinoys design and build and engine and even a complete vehicle from zero? Yes we certainly can, but you have to ask the good pinoy engineers to come home and do this for us. Make it worth their while too and not just for a sense of patriotism.
- Financial capability is another thing. It becomes a chicken and egg question. Will you hold off building a car or engine until the market can give you the required economy of scale? Or do you design such that the volume will give you the economy of scale you require. It is a risk and it is a business risk that the capital provider will have to make. This, I believe is the only factor that limits us. Technically the Pinoys can do it because we have done it already, unfortunately not in and for the Philippines.

Well said sir.

[hein]

Let me just do a bullet list of my two cents worth.
- Pinoy Engineers to design and buid an engine? Definitely. Been there , done that. I was part of the project group that implemented a new engine design. had it prototyped, durability tested and eventually ready for production. Pinoy engineers were involved and even up to now they are still at it.
- .1 mm tolerance? of course and even much much closer tolerances were designed and implemented.
- Ricardo Engineers? worked with them before at their design facility in the UK near brighton.
- Can the Pinoys design and build and engine and even a complete vehicle from zero? Yes we certainly can, but you have to ask the good pinoy engineers to come home and do this for us. Make it worth their while too and not just for a sense of patriotism.
- Financial capability is another thing. It becomes a chicken and egg question. Will you hold off building a car or engine until the market can give you the required economy of scale? Or do you design such that the volume will give you the economy of scale you require. It is a risk and it is a business risk that the capital provider will have to make. This, I believe is the only factor that limits us. Technically the Pinoys can do it because we have done it already, unfortunately not in and for the Philippines.

If the engine is not made in the Philippines and not for the Philippines in a foreign-owned facility, then it is not a Pinoy-built engine.

If you are a Pinoy working for a FOREIGN engine manufacturer using their design and capital equipment, you cannot claim that it is a Filipino-made engine.

The same way that Pinoy computer animators at DISNEY-PIXAR cannot claim that UP is a Pinoy-made movie.

[uls]

yep

pinoy engineers abroad use tools and materials provided to them by foreign capitalists

that's how they are able to build stuff

(and they also get paid by foreign capitalists, that's why they are willing to build stuff)

if those pinoy engineers came back to the Phils., with the intention to build engines and/or cars here, they will still need someone to provide the tools and materials they need, and pay them for their effort (unless they are willing to work for free... out of patriotism)

like i said earlier, people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

all this "THE PINOY CAN" talk is getting really old

[hein]

Like i said earlier, people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

All this "THE PINOY CAN" talk is getting really old

Actually, TRUE ACHIEVEMENT requires both components, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING.

When Tony Tankiaktong's wife had the best formula for a Pinoy burger, he rounded up relatives to put up the capital for an ice cream parlor/hamburger joint in Cubao. Thereby establishing the first branch of JOLLIBEE.

When Larry Page and Sergey Brin were college drop-outs with an idea of making the best search engine in the world, they pulled out their life savings and maxed out their credit cards to purchase hard-drives for their servers. They also convinced two venture capitalists to join their effort, thereby forming GOOGLE in a garage.


GOOGLE's First Head Office

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is.

But they never really go beyond that.

[uls]

Actually, TRUE ACHIEVEMENT requires both components, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING.

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is. But they never really go beyond that.

that's exactly my point

there are people kasi who keep on posting those MAGALING ANG PINOY stuff

pinoys can do this, pinoys can do that, pinoys can build this, pinoys can build that...

we get it already

we know PINOYS CAN

Pinoys can do anything the Americans, Japanese, Europeans, Koreans can

alam natin magaling ang pinoy

alam natin talented ang pinoy

ok?

we sooooo get it already

CAN WE GO BEYOND THAT NA?

sana hindi puro planning stage lang

kahit sino pwede mag plano eh

plano ko gumawa ng sasakyan na di sumasayad sa sahig

[jpdm]

When Tony Tankiaktong's wife had the best formula for a Pinoy burger, he rounded up relatives to put up the capital for an ice cream parlor/hamburger joint in Cubao. Thereby establishing the first branch of JOLLIBEE.

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is.

But they never really go beyond that.

You just mentioned Tony Tancaktiong of Jollibee...

And they went beyond just "being able (and willing) to do something (your so-called" The Pinoy Can talk") right?

you just negated your own statement.

[jpdm]

RP-made Bamboo Bike Unveiled


September 3, 2009
Business Mirror





FIVE University of the Philippines alumni, who are members of the UP Mountaineers, have succeeded in creating a bike with its frame made of bamboo.
The team, composed of Hecky Villanueva, Englebert Chan, John Climaco, Ramon Siojo and Eric Cadiz, used international bike designer Craig Calfee’s technology in making the bamboo bike after learning his procedure in a workshop with him.

The procedure includes heat treatment, smoking and coating the frame with satin polyurethane to seal it. Abaca was used to join the different components together.
Under Kawayan Technologies, these UP alumni aim to make the Philippines a knowledge center in using bamboo for export-quality bikes, surfboards, skateboards, wheelchairs and other proucts.
They plan to establish partnerships with local organizations such as Gawad Kalinga and the Tarlac provincial government as a start.

No matter how simple their product is...at least they done something for this country instead of just putting down Pinoy capability and being super loud mouth CRABS ( with terrible crab mentality)

[ghosthunter]

No matter how simple their product is...at least they done something for this country instead of just putting down Pinoy capability and being super loud mouth CRABS ( with terrible crab mentality)

Are you referring to this thread?

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...t=61858&page=4

[uls]

hahaha

we get it na nga eh

magaling na nga ang pinoy

ooooKaaaay?

WE GET IT

in tagalog -- nakuha na namin

[jpdm]

Are you referring to this thread?

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...t=61858&page=4

Ummm..what do you think?

Because I am very sure and with certitude that I posted the reply in the Design and Research thread.