Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

[JJCarEnthusiast]

meron naba tayong nag dedesign ng engine at kayang mag build ng engine? marami na ding naka gawa ng mga prototype pero engines (and platform) are from donor vehicles. may nakakagawa na din ng chassis. check. engine? accessories and amenities? yeah i hope so.

[rhuwrx]

An engine designed from scratch? As in 100% filipino designed and made? wala pa yata sir. Kahit yung mga simple na 2 stroke wala pa yata tayo.

Una, napakamahal at time consuming mag design at magfabricate ng four stroke cycle na engine from scratch, aabutin ng taon at limpak limpak na salapi para makapag design at makapagfabricate at hindi pa sigurado na magiging reliable ito. In fact car manufacturers have entire divisions dedicated to "powertrain development" with hundreds of engineers.

Pangalawa, wala or kulang tayo sa 3rd party mga industries na may kakayahang gumawa or mag mass produce ng engine parts like engine block, pistons, crankshafts etc. Lahat puro imported tayo.

Pero malay natin meron palang pinoy abroad na nagkaroon ng experience sa pag design ng engines at one day he/she could share knowledge on that matter.

[ghosthunter]

If you are looking for a potential 100% pinoy car today... you will have to look at electric cars. They are simpler to design and build.

[marg]

If you are looking for a potential 100% pinoy car today... you will have to look at electric cars. They are simpler to design and build.

Kahit Electric motor for cars, hindi kaya gumawa ang Pinoy from scratch.

[JJCarEnthusiast]

we have a lot of skilled engineers. what is lacking is funding and support from the government. so sad the government don't bother that much to spend for reviving our automotive industry.

[uls]

the govt doesnt have money

and there's no money to be made

if there's money to be made in producing a 100% pinoy car (on an industrial scale), then the private sector would have bet a lot of money on it already

[JJCarEnthusiast]

yes engine design from scratch.

the time alloted for the research and designing will be a big step in our automotive industry. kung malaking pera man ang gagastusin at matagal ang r&d nito, ang kalalabasan naman ay isang OP engine. very big achievement which will benefit us a lifetime. marami na tayong magagaling na assemblers. pati designers madami na din. sana engine naman. pag na tapos ito we will be our own mitsubishi toyota or honda or what.

kahit sa design lang muna mag umpisa. may kilala akong mekaniko working in JAC motors (the chinese brand). he once mentioned to us that they will be designing a small diesel engine. he didn't mention for what, or will there be a prototype, nor did they finish it. after that i haven't heard anything. that was a long time ago.

[rhuwrx]

Kaya siguro kung sa kaya, ang pinaka bottomline lang dito ay kung sino ang taong gustong gumastos nang ganoon kalaking pera para mangyari ito.
Para kasing nagtapon ka lang ng pera pagtitingnan mo ang practical point of view nito.

Sa tingin ko mas ok yung idea ni sir ghosthunter, or let's skip the current technology now and design and invest in the future of autombiles. We can be "Pioneers" instead of merely being "innovators" of existing technologies, baka dun pa tayo yumaman. just my .02 cents.

[wildthing]

ganang sa akin lang, medyo mahirap kasi kulang ang typical academic knowledge to create an "engine"..

pero kung kaya kong gumawa... I'd like to make a 1200 engine pero 12 cylinder hehehe... maliit na engine pero kayang maghi-RPM siguro yung ganito.

[JJCarEnthusiast]

GH's idea seems good. EVs hmm...

yes tama ka din, we can be pioneers of our own technology. then we should design powerful EVs, like the tesla roadster lol. just kidding..


but i am aware that the engines reliabliity is the first concern

[ghosthunter]

GH's idea seems good. EVs hmm...

yes tama ka din, we can be pioneers of our own technology. then we should design powerful EVs, like the tesla roadster lol. just kidding..

but i am aware that the engines reliabliity is the first concern

There is more than just a "first" concern. You will also have to consider the existing market where large companies have spent millions of dollars just to get it's engine into production That includes testing for everything including reliability, fuel consumption, emissions, safety, performance, durability in extremes, etc.

[niky]

I only come in here to debate actualy debate points... it's GH and jpdm who are going at each other like raging wildcats... so why do I get the funky hate mail?

You just admitted the reason why you are so utterly bias against me because ghosthunter is your friend.

Hah.

And I dont respect your opinion because of your blatant subjectivity.

Please quote my "subjective" arguments. I can quote a zillion of yours. You still haven't responded to my math arguments in the other thread.

Your personal attacks are tolerated by ghosthunter in this forum.

Hello? the only ones here attacking anyone are GH and you.

You, uls and ghosthunter are nothing more but "kuyog."

Riiiight.

If you don respect me. I have no respect for you and your shameless bias.

Bias for what? Towards what? I have been covering the automotive industry for the past several years. I have met proponents and players from both foreign and local manufacturers. Hell... one of my friends works for MCX, and I'm ecstatic for what they've accomplished. I was able to meet romski with the design group's meetings with MVPMAP before, and we talked frankly about the reality of the market and the difficulty of making and designing a local vehicle.

What "bias" do I have? Am I pro-foreigner? Anti-pinoy? Merely for outlining the difficulties involved in making and marketing a local vehicle and/or engine?

I'm so anti-pinoy that I post enthusiastically about local owner types and the ACR buggy? I guess I was temporarily insane when I went out to search for the makers of the micro owner-type, hoping to do an article on them or actually buy one... Because I’m biased?

Am I biased against you? Maybe. Sometimes I actually agree with you. But sometimes I don’t. I used to reply to you frankly, and we’ve had some decent conversations, but you simply don’t seem to be able to grasp the idea of someone having a viewpoint different to yours as possibly being right.

Which is probably why you felt the need to create a second log-in to boost your "Thanks" ratings before (yes, I was the one who pointed it out to the moderation staff before, sorry, Mr. True Faith... ).

What I'm biased against is untruth. Whether it's untruth that comes of being dishonest, or untruth borne of not knowing any better. You can see this in where I post and what I post here and on other forums. In your case, I don't know whether it's the former or the latter or a mix of both.

I am willing to debate with you civilly, but when you refuse to engage in an actual debate and start going off on tangents and bring up misleading arguments to derail the debate, that isn't possible.

When that happens, you can always argue with Ghosthunter, as he doesn't seem to mind matching you for childishness. (yes, you're childish, GH, and yes, I still wuv you, man... :hysterical: )

[jpdm]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

[ghosthunter]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

Let me re-post something:

Can we start at respecting each other's opinions?

Well, just saving myself the effort of typing a thousand chosen words, especially if a single picture would convey it much better and to the point.

Why waste words when someone would claim that MATH & ALGEBRA is a personal opinion? Why waste words when someone's idea of an environmental green movement is the development of tens to hundred thousands more motorized vehicles with internal combustion engines all over the country. Why waste words when someone would ignore your responses/queries and just spam the thread with pointless pictures and ancient news articles in the hopes to bury the posted message?

So back to the question: Can we start at respecting each other's opinions?

Maybe if when their opinion is worth the respect.

[niky]

Of course, we don't have the right, either, to deny lower-income groups access to motorized vehicles should they so desire them and if they can afford them.

The "green" challenge, actually, is to design communities that can exist with a reduced number of motorized vehicles or without them, completely. In other words, redistribute populations and create more job opportunities out in the provinces to ease congestion in the metropolis. The problem with Manila and most modern cities is the suburban sprawl, which has people working and living in locations too far from each other...

Of course, that's a debate for another thread.

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

Confirmed what? I'm not the one trading insults with you.

And you have yet to provide evidence that supports your assertions about me... and everything I've posted can be confirmed by anyone who cares to read our previous posts on this topic and elsewhere.

I will not be attacked in the privacy of my inbox, thank you. It's reserved for people who have questions that need to be answered.

[ehnriko]

Freeze!!!....

Restart...

Refresh....

[foifoi05]

:popcorn::pepsi:

[v6dreamer]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

May I!!!!
Lets cool off for a while.

The internet is really no more than an old party-line phone set up...with graphics(insult etc.). You get ALL points of view whether you want it or not.
In some ways it destroys it-no face to face conversation and I think some have forgotten the art of conversation. Like it or not our computer lives and real lives are merging, when that day comes a-lot of us will be in a load of pain. All opinions are good opinion in my opinion in my most humble opinion. Internet Communications consolidates social interaction because that causes
people to communicate with each other and creates friendships and a whole new concept on creating new social orders of groups of different ideas and social upbringing! It would be very beneficial to all of us w/o bashing each other! People may see you as a different person online in on earth but, it opens up the door for other questions...hope that helped.

[jedi]

guys, please... lets just respect each other sana. admins, supermods, mods and members... no one is above each other in terms of exchanging opinions. please stop from posting images na may nakalagay na STUPID. iba kasi ang dating. hindi tayo parepareho ng opinions sa bawat topic but it does not mean that if do not respect other peoples opinion... eh hindi na din natin irerespecto yung tao.

nakikiusap po ako. lets just start at healthy conversation without naming names

[ehnriko]

I think It's time I change my signature....

We are no better than the causes we are "UNITING" for...