Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

[uls]

that P50,000 is just a starting figure

i'm sure it won't be enough

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After acquisition of the tooling (the hard part; other components are off-the-shelf), isn't manufacturing the next step that requires cash? And does manufacturing require as much money as acquisition of tooling?

cash is required from the very beginning

you'll need a place to do your manufacturing

either you rent a site or acquire a site

like you said, you'll need to buy tools

then you'll need to hire workers

then you'll need raw materials and parts suppliers

sigurado many other expenses will arise (lalo na when dealing with govt people... permits, lagay)

that's a lot money spent before earning a single peso (well, that's business)

it's a gamble

if your engines can't compete with Robin or Honda or China engines, say goodbye to your capital

but you'll never know until you try right?

the Filipino can

[roberto_minosa]

I'm idealistic, and I'd be glad to spend a lot on a project like that IF I'm filthy rich.

[uls]

hehehe

kaya pala wala pa gumagawa ng 100% pinoy engine eh

kasi lahat naghihintay maging filthy rich muna

haha

eh yung mga currently filthy rich (see http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/phi...hisSpeed=15000) ayaw naman gumawa ng 100% pinoy engine

baket kaya?

hehe

[ghosthunter]

hehehe

kaya pala wala pa gumagawa ng 100% pinoy engine eh

kasi lahat naghihintay maging filthy rich muna sila

haha

eh yung mga currently filthy rich (see http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/phi...hisSpeed=15000) ayaw naman gumawa ng 100% pinoy engine

baket kaya?

hehe

Because the rich are smart enough to know there is no profit in making a locally made/designed engine in the Philippine market.

[jpdm]

50,000 doesn't sound bad for a prototype multi-purpose engine. It could be feasible! A 5 or 8hp single-cylinder ohv engine is probably adequate. After acquisition of the tooling (the hard part; other components are off-the-shelf), isn't manufacturing the next step that requires cash? And does manufacturing require as much money as acquisition of tooling?

Now we all know what's next after manufacturing...$

i think a lot of people here need that kind of engine and demand for it won't go down in the next few decades. Maybe the enterprising engineers should focus on making and selling one and reduce reliance on honda or robin engines, or even the kind made in china. I trust filipino products more than those made by the chinese...

Lemme amass wealth...hehehe...

i'm idealistic, and i'd be glad to spend a lot on a project like that if i'm filthy rich.

+ 1,000,000

[uls]

Because the rich are smart enough to know there is no profit in making a locally made/designed engine in the Philippine market.

e-x-a-c-t-l-y

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the filthy rich are more in touch with reality than average people

that's why they're filthy rich in the first place

they know how the world works and they know how the game is played

none of the 40 richest pinoys are financing the building of a 100% pinoy car or 100% pinoy engine

either all 40 of them think it's not worth it or all 40 of them are letting a great opportunity pass (that's what the motivational speakers are claiming -- that it's a great investment)

so i guess the 40 richest people in the Philippines are stupid for not investing in building a 100% pinoy car or engine

hehehe

[A121]

If you take a look at other countries producing their own vehicles, most of them borrowed the technology (through licensing) from other countries first. Take a look at Hyundai, their whole line-up was once recycled Mitsubishi models and engines.

But then again, taking into account how other countries industrialized, I guess it's like this.

Land Reform -> Farmers gain land -> Farmers gain small wealth -> Need for new methods of agriculture for better production -> Farmers want tractors -> Large businesses see market for locally made tractors -> Get assistance abroad to make tractors -> Produce pinoy made tractors -> Better food production -> Farmers get rich -> They want cars

It may appear super simple but there are lots of things affected by the diagram above.

[ghosthunter]

50,000 doesn't sound bad for a prototype multi-purpose engine. It could be feasible! A 5 or 8HP single-cylinder OHV engine is probably adequate.

If this goes through, why do I foresee 50,000 motorized pedicabs and a smog filled city?

Something to think about.

[ghosthunter]

If you take a look at other countries producing their own vehicles, most of them borrowed the technology (through licensing) from other countries first. Take a look at Hyundai, their whole line-up was once recycled Mitsubishi models and engines.

But then again, taking into account how other countries industrialized, I guess it's like this.

Land Reform -> Farmers gain land -> Farmers gain small wealth -> Need for new methods of agriculture for better production -> Farmers want tractors -> Large businesses see market for locally made tractors -> Get assistance abroad to make tractors -> Produce pinoy made tractors -> Better food production -> Farmers get rich -> They want cars

It may appear super simple but there are lots of things affected by the diagram above.

Yet we can't even get the first thing on your list done properly.

Hence we should first aim for the simple goals like the Philippines should be able to export rice again. I have mentioned that before, right?

[jpdm]

If you take a look at other countries producing their own vehicles, most of them borrowed the technology (through licensing) from other countries first. Take a look at Hyundai, their whole line-up was once recycled Mitsubishi models and engines.

But then again, taking into account how other countries industrialized, I guess it's like this.

Land Reform -> Farmers gain land -> Farmers gain small wealth -> Need for new methods of agriculture for better production -> Farmers want tractors -> Large businesses see market for locally made tractors -> Get assistance abroad to make tractors -> Produce pinoy made tractors -> Better food production -> Farmers get rich -> They want cars

It may appear super simple but there are lots of things affected by the diagram above.

Agree and well said

This is similar with the Taiwan development model.

[ghosthunter]

Agree and well said

This is similar with the Taiwan development model.

I find it ironic given YOU said we can stop agri-based exports when we have developed car based exports.

[uls]

But then again, taking into account how other countries industrialized, I guess it's like this.

Land Reform -> Farmers gain land -> Farmers gain small wealth -> Need for new methods of agriculture for better production -> Farmers want tractors -> Large businesses see market for locally made tractors -> Get assistance abroad to make tractors -> Produce pinoy made tractors -> Better food production -> Farmers get rich -> They want cars

they industrialized coz they were able to produce stuff the world wanted to buy (like cars and TVs)

they produced for the world market

the massive investment that went into creating global production capacity forced them to industrialize

the Philippines can't produce anything the world wants except people

so we export people

exporting people cannot industrialize your country

exporting people only turns your country into a human export processing colony full of schools and training facilities

all you do is breed people and train them to become what customers demand

they want nurses? nursing schools

domestic helpers, waiters, bartenders, cooks...

name it, we have a school for it

sometime 50 or 60 years ago, the Phils. did something wrong

the Philippines went down the wrong path

this is our fate

the present is the consequence of the actions and decisions of the past

can we change things?

ya we can

hehe

the Filipino can (screw up)

[A121]

Yet we can't even get the first thing on your list done properly.

Hence we should first aim for the simple goals like the Philippines should be able to export rice again. I have mentioned that before, right?

Yes. I think I missed what you said in this thread.

We must first accomplish no. 1 first before people would be more interested in engines.

[jpdm]

I find it ironic given YOU said we can stop agri-based exports when we have developed car based exports.

I didnt say that. You did

Anyway, the Filipino can, in the future!

[ocanursjr]

It worries me that we have been saying the 'Filipino Can' for the last half-century.

Better late than never...

[roberto_minosa]

hehehe

kaya pala wala pa gumagawa ng 100% pinoy engine eh

kasi lahat naghihintay maging filthy rich muna

haha

eh yung mga currently filthy rich (see http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/25/phi...hisSpeed=15000) ayaw naman gumawa ng 100% pinoy engine

baket kaya?

hehe

Uhm, maybe they don't have any interest on engines and mechanics?!? That kind of people only care about making money...and probably not engines. Or cars for that matter!

I'd really want to build my own engine with my name on it just for kicks. A 4-stroke 200cc OHV sounds cool. Maybe I'd mount it on an off-road go kart. It doesn't matter if I'd sell it or not, as long as I got it conceived when no one else wanted to.

If production is easy enough and if the engine is suitable for public use, maybe I'd make and sell copies of the engine for industrial use.

"Libre lang mangarap."

[jpdm]

The Filipino Can!

The SINAG, based in De La Salle University in the Philippines, (Filipino for "sunray") is the first philippine Solar-Powered Race Car and the first entry of the Philippines to the World Solar Challenge.

he design and construction was undertaken by a group of faculty and students from the Mechanical Engineering Department and the Electronics and Communications Engineering Department of De La Salle University.

It also needed the help and partnership of Ford Group Philippines, San Miguel Corp., Motolite, Shell, Sunpower, Philippine Airlines and Ventus.

The solar panels used by the Sinag solar–powered car was manufactured by Sun Power. The body of the car was made of carbon fibers and with the Philippine colors.

[jpdm]

DLSU Sinag Team


DLSU Sinag Team

Filipino all the way

Homegrown Filipino talent is behind every aspect of the SINAG solar car, from its sleek monocoque shell to its dynamically adaptive electrical system. Even the car’s unique back-contact monocrystalline solar cells, which are among the most efficient commercial solar cells in the world, are proudly Philippine-made in Laguna.


The SINAG Solar Car was proudly designed and built from scratch in a record time of less than a year by students from De La Salle University –Manila with the support of Ford Group Philippines, Motolite, Philippine Airlines, San Miguel Corporation, Pilipinas Shell, SunPower, U-Freight, and Ventus. The project is also supported by Aurora, Cabrera Lavadia and Associates, JWT, CreAsia, Merritt Partners, Tuason Racing School, Gochermann Solar Technology, and Stratworks.

SINAG, the first Filipino solar-powered car to enter the World Solar Challenge in Australia from October 21 to 28, 2007 is being developed and built by the students and faculty members of De La Salle University-Manila, under the guidance of:

• Rene Fernandez
  Overall Technical Project Leader
• Robert Obiles
  Overall Student Team Leader
• Ronafe de Castro
  Sinag Team Secretary

DLSU Team: Team SINAG
Organization Name: Philippine Solar Car Challenge Society, Inc.
Mechanical Team

Design and fabrication of all mechanical components like steering, brakes, suspension and weight balancing.
Advised by :
Anthony Escolar
Student Team Leader :
Mico Villena

• Prince Asumbrado
• Maybelline Boon
• Neo Broncano
• GJ Campecino
• Hanry Chan
• Hanz Chiong
• Klyde Chua
• Javy Locsin
• Rick Senales
• Sherwin Siahetiong
• Chike Siman
• Raffy Velasco

CAD Team

Advised By :
Isidro Marfori

• John Ng
• Prince Ang

Drivers

• Ivan Porcalla
• Eric Tan
• Sherwin To
• Robert Obiles

Electrical Team


Design and fabrication of all electrical components. Also include race strategy and instrumentations.
Advised By :
Jose Antonio Catalan, Emmanuel Gonzalez, Cesar Llorente, Leo Ambata, Jingel Tio and Noriel Mallari
Student Team Leader :
Kaiser Fernandez

• Prince Ang
• Ryan Joseph Bitanga
• Jhoana Guillen E. Bregonia
• Walter Chua
• Harold King M. Dimay
• Lorenzo Miguel A. Javier
• Rainier N. Ong
• Fredric Lance C. Ong
• Frank J. Tua
• Erbert Anton P. Vergara
• Vincent Yao

Shell Team

Design and fabrication of an aerodynamic shell for the solar car.
Advised By :
Martin Ernesto Kalaw
Student Team Leader :
Martin Sy-Quia

• Margarita Antonio
• Alfred Cabiling
• Jon Louie Chiu
• Mark de Jesus
• Jade Lu
• John Ng
• Elvin Ngo
• Josue Reyes
• Bryan Sy
• Martin Sy-Quia
• Victor Yu
• Sherwin To
• Lavina Parwani

Marketing Team

• Dennis Beng Hui — DLSU IE Department
• Brian Gail Bautista — DLSU Marketing & Communication
• Gian Carlo Vizcarra — DLSU Marketing & Communication
• Cherry Ramirez — Ford Group Philippines
• Ernest Estrera — Motolite
• Jess Garcia — Philippine Airlines
• Jemmie Chua — San Miguel Corporation
• Mylene Santos — Pilipinas Shell
• Jong Jimenez — Sunpower
• Isabel Arches — Ventus
• Jovy Astillero — Creasia
• Mark Peckson — JWT
• Donna Conda — Stratworks, Inc.

De La Salle University - Manila

[jpdm]

Uhm, maybe they don't have any interest on engines and mechanics?!? That kind of people only care about making money...and probably not engines. Or cars for that matter!

I'd really want to build my own engine with my name on it just for kicks. A 4-stroke 200cc OHV sounds cool. Maybe I'd mount it on an off-road go kart. It doesn't matter if I'd sell it or not, as long as I got it conceived when no one else wanted to.

If production is easy enough and if the engine is suitable for public use, maybe I'd make and sell copies of the engine for industrial use.

"Libre lang mangarap."

+10,000,000

[roberto_minosa]

^There's absolutely no practicality in that thing! But hey, they can make one, so they did...