Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

[ghosthunter]

If Ferdinand Magellan just quit sailing because his crew were all lazy, what would the world be like?

For one thing, the Philippines might have been better off culturally rather than being an abused colony of another country for centuries. The local population might have had a better image of themselves if not for the centuries of brainwashing to instill the idea that the "Kastila" is a superior race then.

[niky]

If Ferdinand Magellan just quit sailing because his crew were all lazy, what would the world be like?

For one thing, the Philippines might have been better off culturally rather than being an abused colony of another country for centuries. The local population might have had a better image of themselves if not for the centuries of brainwashing to instill the idea that the "Kastila" is a superior race then.

Or, even better, we would have been colonized by the British or the Americans... studies show that ex-British island colonies tend to do better after independence than ex-Spanish or ex-Portugese colonies.

We could be like Singapore... maybe... or Malaysia.

Or maybe there wouldn't be a Philippines... just a fraternity of independent states, each with more control over their local economies than our national government does, now...

Sigh... if only we could turn the clock back four hundred years and sink the Spanish fleet before it got here...

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I really would like to see someone build a local engine... just to get it out of the way. Wouldn't mind if they use standard pistons from something else... as long as the crank and casing are bespoke...

[hein]

To Start: Less emphasis on Law graduates and more emphasis on Engineering grads.

[MaxAJ]

indeed. I agree with killing the kastilas too

[roberto_minosa]

Hahaha! Funny reactions...I think I posted the wrong person as an example!

I was talking about effort and persistence of Magellan...and not him being a Spaniard...

The point is, people shouldn't just quit on doing things that they love and for all the wrong reasons...

[ghosthunter]

Hahaha! Funny reactions...I think I posted the wrong person as an example!

You think?!? :hysterical:

[roberto_minosa]

Haha, my mistake. Subject to someone else's interpretation...here's a better analogy! (I think.)

Okay, if Jesus got tired of preaching 'coz a few High Priests gave Him some death threats, what would the world be like?

Let's say an engine maker decided to design and build lawnmower-type engines but he/she is having second thoughts 'coz of all the difficulty like everyone stated...if he/she quit, it's skipping the trying part and jumping to the conclusion of failure. There's no development in that.

[jpdm]

Okay, if Jesus got tired of preaching 'coz a few High Priests gave Him some death threats, what would the world be like?

Let's say an engine maker decided to design and build lawnmower-type engines but he/she is having second thoughts 'coz of all the difficulty like everyone stated...if he/she quit, it's skipping the trying part and jumping to the conclusion of failure. There's no development in that.

+1


Case No. 3:

Couple revs up in motorcycle arena

By Margie Quimpo-Espino
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:52:00 11/08/2008

MANILA, Philippines—Not a few businessmen have accumulated wealth by simply buying cheap goods in China and selling these in Manila for a profit.


A Chinese-Filipino couple, however, has taken the trading business a notch higher and is working to get a chunk of the market with its Filipino-developed motorcycle brand.


Eric and Leviruth Lee of MCX Motor Phils. Inc. have been producing Filipino motorcycle models the past two years, starting with three last year and four this year.


When the couple entered the motorcycle business in 2003, it was already a pretty competitive one, dominated by Japanese manufacturers, and crowded by China-made bikes that started coming into the country in 1996.



China bikes were initially a hit because price tags are about 40 percent lower than the Japanese brands—Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki—which had dominated the Philippine two-wheel vehicle sector for decades.


But MCX, then called Goodyear Export Import, was getting nowhere and competition was tough. It also soon became obvious that the quality of many China-made bikes were not at par with the Japanese ones.

Eric and Levi saw this weakness and realized they had to take the business a step further to ensure getting a slice of the pie from the Japanese.


“My first concept of the business was only for trading,” Eric said. “But we realized that this business model was misplaced, as almost all new players in the industry were into this. Customers were clamoring for better service, available parts and better quality. It was because of this clamor that we decided to go into [full-time] manufacturing.”


He invested in research and development in the Philippines, and decided to go downstream by putting up a small plant in China to ensure better quality of raw materials and parts. “We are now also manufacturing some critical parts with our specification designed for the local market.”

As I said, The Filipino Can! (and regardless of their ethnic roots( Chinese, European etc. its does not matter to me), as long as he is a Filipino national, we should take pride of their accomplishments as Pinoys!)

[uls]

wala naman pumipigil sa mga pinoy dito gumawa ng sarili nilang makina

kung gusto nila gumawa ng makina, go ahead

what the hell is stopping them?

nakakapigil ba sa kanila ang thread na ito?

i'm sure hinde

so nasaan na makina nila?

nasa utak parin nila... o kaya nasa papel

kasi pati yung mga GUSTO gumawa ng makina hanggang GUSTO lang

gimme a break

motivational talk can only go so far

you can pump up someone with all the motivational talk in the world

then when it's time to take money out of the wallet (or the ATM) to start a project, magdadalawang isip na

yung mga THE FILIPINO CAN na tao dyan...

kayo ba willing mag finance sa pag gawa ng 100% pinoy engine?

may kilala ako mga mekaniko na meron decades of experience

may kilala ako magaling na machine shop

may kilala din ako tunawan ng bakal

pera nalang ang kulang

Willing kayo?

siguro mga P150,000 muna... pang umpisa lang

well?

[A121]

In the Philippines, people who get to answer the phone are paid more than people who can do research, maths, science and engineering. As we all know, money can be exchanged for goods such as food and clothing, and can be used payment for shelter. Also, people in the Philippines would be more interested in having a new Nokia handset rather than food on the table.

The Filipino can... if the price is right.

[uls]

i'm waiting...

motivational speakers out there, why not finance this project?

kung gusto niyo, magca-canvass ako

where do we start?

the engine block

we need a design

then a mold

then papatunaw tayo ng bakal

or kung gusto niyo mas modern, all aluminum...

for the cylinder head, we can buy a solid block of aluminum, then pa-machine shop natin

intake ports, exhaust ports, coolant passages...

then we need to fabricate camshafts, rocker arms...

we need valves, valve springs...

this is gonna be fun

[niky]

Okay, if Jesus got tired of preaching 'coz a few High Priests gave Him some death threats, what would the world be like?

Well... Christianity helped hold the Holy Roman Empire together a bit longer... but it still fell... then it encouraged the Crusades...

If Christianity had never started... the Jews would still be waiting for a Messiah... they might have risen a bit more in power under the Roman Empire (Christianity helped give impetus to Jewish persecution... because it was a co-opting of the religion that accepted non-Jewish converts... and there was much tension between the two groups...)... but the lack of a non-ethnic specific religion might have stalled the Roman rise...

I don't know if Islam would have started without Christianity... since it came after and acknowledges Jesus as a prophet... but if it did... without a uniting religion to push Europe against the Arabic people... and with a strong leader in the East, we could have all been living in an Islamic world by now.

Maybe a kinder, gentler Islam, though... the Catholic Church has had time to adapt to modern ethics and ideals, after bloody centuries of persecuting Jews and witches, waging war with Islam, and converting populations wholesale and erasing their cultural heritage...

I believe Islam could adapt to the modern world, too, given time. And a few centuries of world domination is time enough for everyone.





World Domination! Muwahahahaha!

[uls]

and like Niky said earlier, kahit di na tayo mag fabricate ng sariling pistons

bili nalang tayo ng pistons

kahit yung mga intake and exhaust valves, bili nalang tayo

pero kailangan fab natin yung engine block, crankshaft, cyl head, camshaft/s para masabing PINOY MADE talaga ang makina

o ano na?

money down na

[niky]

If anyone shows me viable plans, I'll contribute money to the cause.

Basta... I get to do the endurance and performance testing... :evil:

[uls]

o ayan, mga motivational speakers, Niky is willing to contribute money

just show him the plans

[ghosthunter]

motivational speakers out there, why not finance this project?

+1

To the "motivational speakers", words are cheap. It is time to put your money where your mouth is.

[roberto_minosa]

Magkano ba pagawa ng lawnmower engine from scratch? Estimates?

[uls]

a lawnmower engine from scratch?

first, you'll need a design

look for someone to create a mold for the engine block

look for a smelter to supply you with the metal alloy for the engine block

now go make your cylinder head



look for a solid piece of aluminum and have it machined

fab your crankshaft

look for pistons

look for a carburator



then gotta look for your source of ignition

look for an ignition coil, the spark plugs are easy

ano pa?

gaskets, o rings, air and oil filters

mag budget ka muna ng P50,000 (sigurado kulang yan)

withdrawing money from the ATM is the easiest part



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BTW, buying a brand small engine (agricultural, lawn mower, water pump engine) won't cost P50,000

there's a reason why nobody here is making their own engines

coz somebody else abroad can make them cheaper in large quantities

[roberto_minosa]

50,000 doesn't sound bad for a prototype multi-purpose engine. It could be feasible! A 5 or 8HP single-cylinder OHV engine is probably adequate. After acquisition of the tooling (the hard part; other components are off-the-shelf), isn't manufacturing the next step that requires cash? And does manufacturing require as much money as acquisition of tooling?

Now we all know what's next after manufacturing...$

I think a lot of people here need that kind of engine and demand for it won't go down in the next few decades. Maybe the enterprising engineers should focus on making and selling one and reduce reliance on Honda or Robin engines, or even the kind made in China. I trust Filipino products more than those made by the Chinese...

Lemme amass wealth...hehehe...

[ghosthunter]

50,000 doesn't sound bad for a prototype multi-purpose engine. It could be feasible! A 5 or 8HP single-cylinder OHV engine is probably adequate. After acquisition of the tooling (the hard part; other components are off-the-shelf), isn't manufacturing the next step that requires cash? And does manufacturing require as much money as acquisition of tooling?

Now we all know what's next after manufacturing...$

I think a lot of people here need that kind of engine and demand for it won't go down in the next few decades. Maybe the enterprising engineers should focus on making and selling one and reduce reliance on Honda or Robin engines, or even the kind made in China. I trust Filipino products more than those made by the Chinese...

Lemme amass wealth...hehehe...

Unless the local made engine can be bought at a significantly cheaper price (or have a good incentive) than the Honda or Robin engine, people will still prefer the Honda/Robin engine because they have trusted the brand for years.