3 Wheelers

[kitsons]

I am not sure if they can do something when they are seen riding in one. A Morning talk show speculates that Roxas may be riding in a "pedicab" as he goes to church for his wedding tomorrow. Looks like a populist/political stunt intended to solicit support from urban poor.

The Philippines should have enjoyed NIC-hood status 30 years ago! We'll its never to late.

La kasing affordable alternative para sa cannot afford the standard vehicles kaya hit sa marami sa B-, C and D economic sector for their mode of transport specially in going about their livelihood.

Kuliglig dumadami coz building one is definitely a lot cheaper than buying a motorbike and building the standard tricycle sidecar.

[ehnriko]

The rise of the Kuligligs is only but a natural effect from the obvious causes.

Firstly, Nobody can claim that these 'below the poverty line' class cannot do it simply because -it is technically legal.

Secondly, these people are better off building and driving these contraptions than throwing stones or robbing and looting other people. It is a matter of fact - a blessing to see the masses actually doing something to survive and empower themselves.

Thirdly, We drive cars with HID beams and Loud Horns... oh yes, there is also the rectangular pedal in front of us - It's called Brakes. They are there to be used. The Strong Headlamps are installed in our cars for us to see them... The Strong Horns are there for us to Give them a signal that we are coming and they have to stay on the extreme right hand side of the road - or the left side wherever is realistically and relatively safer. The Brakes are there so we can stop in case it's ever needed. However, we can always steer clear off these road objects you know... thats what the steering wheel is for. And the pedal on the right is meant for us to go and just pass on or move on - no need to display our social status by barking at those lowly kuliglig drivers... unless you want to vent off little steam sometimes... and going down to their level. Otherwise known as punishing yourself for the fault of others. I am not excempted from this.

I used to bark and growl at these ambulant road objects before... but after talking with people who come from these levels of society - after hearing what they said... that they are better off doing this than stealing or doing crime in order to survive... it made sense.

The Kuliglig is in fact a manifestation of the spirit of the poor Pinoys who are striving and fighting to empower themselves in these hard times.

If I am President, I would not tax these people, but I will require them to have reflectorized stickers, an electrical system of some sort in order to make them illuminated at night.. and an LTO program to educate these drivers how to drive in mainroads as well as basic road courtesy, safety and survival. Let the Big Companies use them as their advertising billboards...(now this is MY idea - before you even think of using this - you need to ask my permission - you heard it first here - it's Copyrighted). I have a design for this but I was asked to keep it private muna... if you want to see it, you need to have an account in youtube and add me as friend so you can view it. Gullible am I?... not really, just generous enough to share of what I have in abundance. After all, I cant bring it with me in my grave.

[architect]

Secondly, these people are better off building and driving these contraptions than throwing stones or robbing and looting other people. It is a matter of fact - a blessing to see the masses actually doing something to survive and empower themselves.

I hate to disagree, but it is not actually an either or situation. It does not logically follow if a poor person is not building one of these monstrous contraptions, he will automatically be doing criminal stuff. There are countless other legal revenue generating activities they can indulge in.

It is bad enough tricycle drivers not only lack discipline but are totally insensitive (oblivious might be a better term) to the chaos and problems they are generating. But at least most tricycles have lights and move faster. The kuligligs simply bring the problem down to a worse level. I have seen some swerve suddenly onto oncoming traffic, expecting the poor driver to be able to stop on time. Most simply hug the road, even major roads like A. Bonifacio leading to Balintawak or even MacArthur Highway. Somehow the kuliglig operators tend to have a mindset even worse than the tricycle drivers'. Perhaps it is because they tend to be younger and poorer and more used to anarchy.

If the upsurge of kuligligs is not controlled soon, we will inevitably reach a tipping point where legislation won't help. Even secondary roads will suffer gridlock. Their rise is not a natural effect but more from the lack of law implementation. Progression is natural. Retrogression is not. Their rise is rather the manifestation of everything wrong in our local infrastructure.

But then you might be right. After all the kuliglig is the progression/retrogression of the tricycle. The emergence of the tricycle was/is a major setback in terms of progress and development. It is bad enough tricycles have become so ingrained in our society that corporates and politicians have taken to them as literal advertising vehicles for the masses as they have with just about all forms of public transportation - buses, jeepneys, and taxis. Signs of the times brought to you in chaotic movement, if you will.

Since the kuliglig is a poorer version of the tricycle, it can be viewed as the natural progression of the tricycle and is merely following the (negative) trend set by the latter. So in a way, it is a natural progression. But when you think of it in this manner, you can't but help pity our country. Because the conclusion then is retrogression has become the natural progression for us.

[jpdm]

I hate to disagree, but it is not actually an either or situation. It does not logically follow if a poor person is not building one of these monstrous contraptions, he will automatically be doing criminal stuff. There are countless other legal revenue generating activities they can indulge in.

It is bad enough tricycle drivers not only lack discipline but are totally insensitive (oblivious might be a better term) to the chaos and problems they are generating. But at least most tricycles have lights and move faster. The kuligligs simply bring the problem down to a worse level. I have seen some swerve suddenly onto oncoming traffic, expecting the poor driver to be able to stop on time. Most simply hug the road, even major roads like A. Bonifacio leading to Balintawak or even MacArthur Highway. Somehow the kuliglig operators tend to have a mindset even worse than the tricycle drivers'. Perhaps it is because they tend to be younger and poorer and more used to anarchy.

If the upsurge of kuligligs is not controlled soon, we will inevitably reach a tipping point where legislation won't help. Even secondary roads will suffer gridlock. Their rise is not a natural effect but more from the lack of law implementation. Progression is natural. Retrogression is not. Their rise is rather the manifestation of everything wrong in our local infrastructure.

But then you might be right. After all the kuliglig is the progression/retrogression of the tricycle. The emergence of the tricycle was/is a major setback in terms of progress and development. It is bad enough tricycles have become so ingrained in our society that corporates and politicians have taken to them as literal advertising vehicles for the masses as they have with just about all forms of public transportation - buses, jeepneys, and taxis. Signs of the times brought to you in chaotic movement, if you will.

Since the kuliglig is a poorer version of the tricycle, it can be viewed as the natural progression of the tricycle and is merely following the (negative) trend set by the latter. So in a way, it is a natural progression. But when you think of it in this manner, you can't but help pity our country. Because the conclusion then is retrogression has become the natural progression for us.

Agree with this.

We need to control them. Its not an excuse that they are poor. There are countless ways in order to survive and not just drive a moving disaster on the roads. We have to consider also the other users of crucial public goods like passengers, pedetrians and other motorists.

These contraptions are a bunch of hazards. The drievrs of these dont follow any sort of law and order. Pag nasagi sila pa unang maglalabas ng tubo.

I mean, can we not put some orders in our roads. I admit, and base on the numerous studies that I have read, we can rid of jeepneys and tricycles from the Philippine transport system. Thats why, we are here in the design thread to at least suggest and perhaps build better versions of them.

These tricycle for instance, I believe given proper funding and some arm twisiting from the government, TODAs can be compelled to follow certain standard sf for future members. Force them to only admit new tricycle operators using new configurations (like the Chinese tricars).

Padyaks, kuligligs and those motorized padyaks should not service main roads.

With this we can build a more efficient and respectable auto industry at the very least tricycle fabricators. Blaze and MCX, these local companies should at least collaborate with tricycle cab manufacturers to build modern, efficient, safe, high quality AND AFFORDABLE tricycles.

[kitsons]

Agree with this.

We need to control them. Its not an excuse that they are poor. There are countless ways in order to survive and not just drive a moving disaster on the roads. We have to consider also the other users of crucial public goods like passengers, pedetrians and other motorists.

These contraptions are a bunch of hazards. The drievrs of these dont follow any sort of law and order. Pag nasagi sila pa unang maglalabas ng tubo.

I mean, can we not put some orders in our roads. I admit, and base on the numerous studies that I have read, we can rid of jeepneys and tricycles from the Philippine transport system. Thats why, we are here in the design thread to at least suggest and perhaps build better versions of them.

These tricycle for instance, I believe given proper funding and some arm twisiting from the government, TODAs can be compelled to follow certain standard sf for future members. Force them to only admit new tricycle operators using new configurations (like the Chinese tricars).

Padyaks, kuligligs and those motorized padyaks should not service main roads.

With this we can build a more efficient and respectable auto industry at the very least tricycle fabricators. Blaze and MCX, these local companies should at least collaborate with tricycle cab manufacturers to build modern, efficient, safe, high quality AND AFFORDABLE tricycles.

Firstly, the kuligligs, tricycles and pedicabs are not allowed by law to enter main thoroughfares.

Secondly, perhaps this is why we are here.

It is so easy to put an extension to the belt for an alternator, perhaps even a small dynamo used for bike lights may do efficiently when attached to the drive belt of the kuligiglig and connected perhaps to a regulator for charging rechargeable batteries. Siguro even a bunch of the d cell type may do enough for lights and sound system.

We really have to come up with an affordable alternative for micro businesses.

Being a bunch of hazards perhaps maybe better than being a bunch of dangerous thugs who have had less opportunity to eke a more morally legal means of earning a living.

The kuligligs in fact has done good service in Divisoria thaqt perhaps one day the trucks clogging up the small side streets of the "bagsakan" there may be serviced by the kuligligs that the trucks can park perhaps in the are near R 10.

If we could come up with our own alternative to the kuligligs, can you imagine the market of practically all subdivisions being serviced by ouor alternative to the kuliglig as passenger and cargo carrier.

[ghosthunter]

It is so easy to put an extension to the belt for an alternator, perhaps even a small dynamo used for bike lights may do efficiently when attached to the drive belt of the kuligiglig and connected perhaps to a regulator for charging rechargeable batteries. Siguro even a bunch of the d cell type may do enough for lights and sound system.

You don't have to go that far from "the box" to look for your battery solution. Motorcycle batteries would be compact enough and have more than enough stored power for such typical requires such as lights, etc.

[jpdm]

Firstly, the kuligligs, tricycles and pedicabs are not allowed by law to enter main thoroughfares.

Secondly, perhaps this is why we are here.

It is so easy to put an extension to the belt for an alternator, perhaps even a small dynamo used for bike lights may do efficiently when attached to the drive belt of the kuligiglig and connected perhaps to a regulator for charging rechargeable batteries. Siguro even a bunch of the d cell type may do enough for lights and sound system.

We really have to come up with an affordable alternative for micro businesses.

Being a bunch of hazards perhaps maybe better than being a bunch of dangerous thugs who have had less opportunity to eke a more morally legal means of earning a living.

The kuligligs in fact has done good service in Divisoria thaqt perhaps one day the trucks clogging up the small side streets of the "bagsakan" there may be serviced by the kuligligs that the trucks can park perhaps in the are near R 10.

If we could come up with our own alternative to the kuligligs, can you imagine the market of practically all subdivisions being serviced by ouor alternative to the kuliglig as passenger and cargo carrier.

The guy who came up with the 4 wheeler vehicle using the same engine used by kuliglig have already came up with a more "acceptable design." The dimension is similar with the tricycle and the driver sits in front together with the passenger. Check this.

introducing The HOY! by prowler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KNDGOhfolE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqNoVctLmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSH7YQjLQ8g

That's it! this pinoy car will be named "The HOY! Spirit"
catchy eh?

He said he will come up with a better version.

[architect]

Being a bunch of hazards perhaps maybe better than being a bunch of dangerous thugs who have had less opportunity to eke a more morally legal means of earning a living.

*kitsons, I am surprised you are buying into this twisted logic. Again, it is not an either or situation. It does not necessarily follow that if they don't engage in the kuliglig business they will automatically become thugs. That's akin to saying that if you don't go to college you will automatically go to jail. Obviously that is a possible consequence albeit a stretch. It is one of several possibilities albeit a ridiculous assumption at best.

If they can afford to be in the kuliglig business, then chances are they can afford a whole range of other opportunities. It is just a matter of perseverance. To believe their only alternative is to be a thug is similar to agreeing with the jeepney driver who rationalizes his lack of discipline by saying he is just poor and deserves to drive recklessly because he needs to meet his boundary. Don't tell me you agree with such kind of rationalization? Do you?

[ehnriko]

Equipped with more knowledge, definitely - we will be more aware of the natural moral law which drives us to exercise prudence and in spite of an adverse condition - will remain steadfast to our moral path and remain into a upright lifestyle.

But this is not the case in the areas where the poorest of the poor thrives.

The Kuliglig is a symbol of empowerment to these marginalized sector of society.

The privincial kuliglig makes use of a hand tractor with a much longer wheelbase - making it a more stable configuration... however, both kuliglig concept vehicles share the same hazard potential for the average motorist.

Controlling the proliferation of these form of transport needs to be defined further.

These contraptions and it's owners only need a program to follow. But who will take the initiative? Definitely - we cannot expect something from the Government. We have a poor government... except for the people inside. Ironical - but what can come out of a poor government?...

The Recent Ondoy experience clearly shows the government is really poor... only 38 Rubber boats? - DCC needs to manage 1770 islands... almost all Senators has no less than P100M in their pockets. Ironical isn't it?

If these Kuliglig should improve in terms of safety and design/ cosmetic standards... it can only come from the private sector.

Since more Pinoys are more civilized - utilizing NGO's is the best way to attack the problem.

It just popped in my head... during the Ondoys' rampage, Only the Kuligligs were left running in the streets of Manila. Delivering human, good and other services, And nobody seems to take notice of this. Besides... last year, during November 1st, Araw ng mga patay... These Kuligligs are going from Manila to any point in Luzon. Carrying a whole family with their stuff. This site reminds me of the Black and White Pics of America during the Great Depression.

The only difference is... Pinoys can still afford to smile in spite of....

[architect]

These Kuligligs are going from Manila to any point in Luzon. Carrying a whole family with their stuff. This site reminds me of the Black and White Pics of America during the Great Depression.

Ugh...there is something to be said about the state of affairs of our land if its present-day conditions can remind us of one of the worst times of the U.S. almost a century ago. It is indeed quite depressing.