The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[OyiL]

the question was "what is the best vehicle fit to be called Filipino car?"

what is now the most popular form of motorized transport for ordinary pinoys?

isnt it the single motor?

imho

kita mo na. para sa ibang question pala yung sagot na yun.

[OyiL]

well, it's not about kung anong sasakyan ang dapat or hindi dapat para sa pinoy

it's about kung anong sasakyan ang PINILI ng pinoy

the market has spoken

clearly, single na motor ang pinili ng pinoy

yes, it's dangerous

may naaksidente araw-araw

pero wala tayo magagawa

yan ang pinili eh

hindi. yun lang kasi ang choice nila dahil hindi nila kaya bumili ng apat ang gulong.

pero their choice shows what thier needs are(mobility and pagkakakitaan - pedicab), and what they can afford. ito ang dapat punuin ng filipino car.

[OyiL]

Bullseye uls! I would have said the same thing. Sa business walang hintayan, laging unahan...

in a race, there are rules.

[OyiL]

you saying you're a wolf uls?

he's saying that he knows how to circumvent the law

[niky]

Unfortunately, the rules are stacked against us.

The US hides protectionism behind the "Chicken Tax", environmental and safety requirements (emissions requirements have hindered the penetration of Euro-market diesels into the US), safety requirements (their stupid sealed-beam rules and indicator light rules, which counter the Euro and Japan markets) and low gasoline prices.

Japan keeps the yen pegged, keeping imports at bay.

China's producers are supported by aggressive government infrastructure development and lax regulatory rules.

What do we have in the Philippines? A militant labor force, poor electrical and transport infrastructure (don't even ask about water... in some areas, it's DIY) and a government that would rather mulct a foreign businessman dry before he can create even a single job.

The way to level the playing field is not to create a rule that states that only people without shoes can play.

The way to level the playing field is to take a bulldozer and flatten the red tape and other hindrances to business (infrastructure). And remove all the rocks and sharp objects (unions, corrupt officials) that can hobble a business.

On a flat track, the best barefoot runners can run rings around rich kids wearing the latest Nike shoes.

Sadly, the field in the Philippines is far from flat.

hindi. yun lang kasi ang choice nila dahil hindi nila kaya bumili ng apat ang gulong.

pero their choice shows what thier needs are(mobility and pagkakakitaan - pedicab), and what they can afford. ito ang dapat punuin ng filipino car.

It shows what they can afford... and what they want. It's not a car.

Let's break it down... A Chinese motorcycle costs between 25-30k pesos.

A Filipino motorcycle costs between 30-50k pesos

A Japanese motorcycle costs between 60-120k pesos (pero mabenta).

For the same price as a Chinese motorcycle, you could buy a 1970's Corolla or Escort in workable condition. And parts for 70's cars are relatively cheap.

For the same price as a Filipino motorcycle, you could get a Kia Pride or a Beetle. The Pride is really an underappreciated car. Dirt cheap to run, relatively reliable... much better than that POS Aspire that replaced it.

For the same price as a Japanese motorcycle, you could buy a secondhand Japanese sedan (which is reliable and very useful) or assemble an owner-type or buy a secondhand diesel jeepney.

And yet: Around three-quarters of a million Filipinos buy brand new motorbikes every year. This isn't including the large used motorcycle business. The sale of secondhand automobiles in the same price range isn't even a fraction of that. I've sold a few vehicles (our old ones... and for friends) in that range, and it's weeks to months before you get a good buyer. MCs? They're snapped up in days.

[uls]

hindi. yun lang kasi ang choice nila dahil hindi nila kaya bumili ng apat ang gulong.

pero their choice shows what thier needs are(mobility and pagkakakitaan - pedicab), and what they can afford. ito ang dapat punuin ng filipino car.

kita mo na. para sa ibang question pala yung sagot na yun.

you're talking about a future people's car which has 4 wheels (and we don't know how far in the future that will be)

i'm talking about the present

at present, the single motor is THE people's car

and as Niky said above, there are second hand cars that cost the same as new motorbikes

many still choose to buy new motorbikes

it's not like they don't have a choice

as i keep saying, the market has spoken

the market chose the single motor

[aejhayl17]

is it more practical to buy a new motorcycle than a 1970s sedan?

[uls]

in a race, there are rules.

but there are people who don't play by the rules

kahit saan ka pumunta, there will always be people who don't play by the rules

that's reality

that's the way of the world

the world doesnt work according to how it should ideally work

this isnt Utopia

i notice 2 kinds of people --

those who accept the given environment and quickly adapt

and those who refuse to accept the given environment and fail to adapt

the quick adapters thrive and get ahead

those who fail to adapt get left behind

that's the way the world works

survival of the fittest

[uls]

is it more practical to buy a new motorcycle than a 1970s sedan?

kahit 80's car meron nasa presyo ng new motorbike

i understand where you're coming from dude

if you're thinking about safety, buying a used car is better than buying a new motorbike

but those thousands of people who buy motorbikes do not think that way

[tidus1203]

BOTTOMLINE: For a 3rd world country whose per capita income is $700 average, buying a car is impossible for many. A bike could be had for less than P30,000 tapos pwede pang hulugan... Pinoys don't like bikes because they are safer or better than cars, but because that's all they can afford...