Aircon problem led to car overheating

[kwekmiester]

Good Day fellow tsikoteers! Just want to ask for advice regarding a big problem I encountered with my Lancer GSR. I'l make this short:
Last week, I had problems with my aircon, parang di na sya lumalamig. Last Sunday, I was in Alabang so I decided to bring my car to Wings West Alabang Motortown to have my aircon looked at. At first they said my aircon needs cleaning and charging of freon so I said OK. An hour later they said the car was OK, I paid my bills and before leaving it seems the aircon was still not fixed so they take a look again at my car. Almost an hour later, parang di nila makita yun problem sa aircon so they decided to create a new relay, I think for the compressor. I asked them "kung OK lang yun" and they said it was OK, it took them another 20-30 mins and they said its now OK. It seems the aircon was working so I initially thought the aircon was fixed.

Sunday evening, I drove from Muntinlupa to Sta. Rosa and found out that the temperature was climbing and a few minutes later my car stopped sa Expressway, my car overheated. Good thing I'm about to exit the Binan/Carmona Tollgate when the engine stopped, and since I bought my car I never had overheating problems with it. I let the engine cool and since malapit na ako sa bahay I decided to drive the car moderately. Was able to get back home and Monday morning I checked the car and naubos na ang tubig ng radiator and Coolant, oil still looks OK. I filled the radiator with water and drive the car to the nearest repair shop here in Sta Rosa. Upon inspection, the major damage only was the water pump, thermostat valve and head gasket, minor repairs were radiator cleaning. I also asked the shop to repair the aircon bec. it seems the problem came from the "relay" that Wings West did. The mechanic told me that the problem indeed came from the aircon relay they did (Wings West) and it seems the compressor weren't going automatic (not sure what that means) and it added load to the car which in turn led to the overheat problems.

My initial concern is, what compensation can I ask with Wings West since they were the cause of the overheating? I think at least, I deserve a refund, what do you guys think?

[shadow]

Compensation? I doubt it...they'll just deny that it was their fault and since pinagalaw mo na sa iba mas meron an sila deniability


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[kwekmiester]

I see, thanks for the reply Sir Shadow. I really don't have any choice since I can't bring my car to Alabang, its just too far and I'm afraid that I'll overheat on the way since I'll be coming from Sta. Rosa. How about a refund? They didn't fixed the aircon and actually brought me more problems

[victorevolution]

bring an action sa small claims court, here you no longer need a lawyer

first ask for a refund pag ayaw file ka ng damages sa small claims court

[Syuryuken]

tinignan ba kung bakit naubos ang tubig?

[andrew_28]

sayang naman engine, nag -overheat dahil sa hulaan portion sa wing west.
kung malapit ka sa may asia brewery, meron a/c dun kay cooltime. maayos kausap si dodie.

[jick.cejoco]

another case of guess and hope system. try to guess the problem and hope you fixed it
as always, the sequence is concern, cause, correction, confirm.

in short:
1-interview the driver, ask pertinent questions
2-make measurements and digitize results, e.g. engine vacuum in inches of mercury at idle speed, pressure of the suction side at idle speed and at what ambient temperature
3-make adustments, repairs, replace worn out or time change parts, service with the correct fluids
4-make measurements again comparing the before and after results

[alfonsomiguel]

I see, thanks for the reply Sir Shadow. I really don't have any choice since I can't bring my car to Alabang, its just too far and I'm afraid that I'll overheat on the way since I'll be coming from Sta. Rosa. How about a refund? They didn't fixed the aircon and actually brought me more problems

Lessons learned na lang Sir. mas maganda stick to the original design at ayusin kung ano yung problem. Hindi yung gagawan ng paraan para tumakbo.

[kwekmiester]

Thanks for the reply guys, first of all just want to update that my car is fixed now. First of all for clarification, di po ako yun gumawa ng sarili kong aircon, ang unang gumawa ng aircon ko is a known shop in Alabang Motortown - Wings West. Since na acquire ko yun sasakyan ko, never sya nag overheat not even when I drive my car to Camsur (9-10 hr drive) a few years ago. Nag overheat lang sya nun last Sunday bec. of the "fix" na ginawa ng Wings West.

The main cause of problem is the relay na ginawa ng "seraniko" ng Wings West. According sa South Rides Sta Rosa (shop na pinagdalhan ko ng sasakyan after mag overheat), di daw nag "automatic" ang compressor because of the relay which led to the overheating. Total cost of repairs due to the overheating cost me around 7k for the Water Pump, Cylinder Head Gasket and Thermostat Valve, no other major damage (Thank Goodness) pero umabot sa 15k+ dahil pinasama ko na ang Radiator Cleaning at Aircon Cleaning & Repair and other minor repairs like Power Window problems etc.

*andrew_28 Asia Brewery, san part po to sir sa Sta Rosa? I'll keep this in mind in case that I'll need future aircon repairs

*victorevolution Thanks for the advice Sir, I'm really planning to ask for refund. In fact tinawagan ko na ang Wings West and they asked me to come over to discuss and take a look at my car, of course I'll ask for a Refund bec. di naman nila nagawa yun sasakyan even though I paid for the service.

[mark_t]

The cooling system is seperate from your air conditioning system. Your case is of neglect of your own car.
Since when did you check your coolant level? When was it changed?
What is its service history?
It may even be due to your water pump failure.
What was the condition of the water pump? corroded? Where is the point of leak?

[mark_t]

The cooling system is seperate from your air conditioning system


they maybe mechanically or physically seperate or separate but they are closely related. the a/c can cause overheating and overheating of the engine affects the a/c system. some systems for example the korean gm chevy epica, the a/c stops working once the pcm detects abnormal change in the coolant temperature sensor signal like when you forgot to install coolant after engine or a/c repair. as you work more and more on different systems and different makes, you will discover inherent characteristics of different cars.

So would this apply to PH domestic lancer gsr or Mitsubishi PH domestic models?

[mark_t]

When you had it "fix" instead of "remove and replace" failed parts.
It is neglect.

[dr. d]

When you had it "fix" instead of "remove and replace" failed parts.
It is neglect.

...sounds to me like some casa's motto... heh heh.
there are times when you can actually effectively repair a part, bringing it back to reliable use..

[mark_t]

...sounds to me like some casa's motto... heh heh.
there are times when you can actually effectively repair a part, bringing it back to reliable use..

Actually automotive technicians here are trained this way. To remove and replace.
Maybe you are fortunate to have a section that will calibrate, certify, and re certify parts.
How many mechanics have proper training in metrology?
You are very lucky you have access to proper instruments that you can repair a part
back to reliable use.
As for us out there, we remove and replace and that is it.
Surplus or oem, so long that it still works.

[dr. d]

Actually automotive technicians here are trained this way. To remove and replace.
Maybe you are fortunate to have a section that will calibrate, certify, and re certify parts.
How many mechanics have proper training in metrology?
You are very lucky you have access to proper instruments that you can repair a part
back to reliable use.
As for us out there, we remove and replace and that is it.
Surplus or oem, so long that it still works.

nope, all we had was ordinary mechanics' tools. we tried to fix parts that we could, so we can use them again. you know... clean, solder or weld, un-bend, bend, adjust clearance, sandpaper, re-paint.. nothing major. no, we did not re-manufacture them. and we did it for two reasons: first, because it was challenging and fun; and two, we didn't have money to buy new parts. heh heh.

[jick.cejoco]

just like dr. belo, fix, augment, cut, smoothen, reduce, repair. nothing much of replacement

[Lew_Alcindor]

tanong lang, dapat ba mag-overheat ang makiina kung naka-rekta ang compressor (i.e. always engaged)?

dati kasi ganyan yung kotse ko pero hindi naman nag-overheat.

kaya sa palagay ko sa engine cooling system ang problema. hindi kaya isustain ang load ng aircon.

at sa pagkakaalam ko yung aux fan sa condenser mostly. may sariling fan ang radiator. kung sira ang aux fan, hindi lalamig yung hanging sa aircon.

[[archie]]

mawawala lang lamig ng air conditioning kung magooverheat. hindi magooverheat dahil nakareckta compressor. nagkataon lang siguro sa oto ng ts. maghigh pressure a/c kung overheat.

cooling system lang talaga problem.

[mark_t]

They replaced the water pump, so they finally found where the problem started.
I have seen this countless times, once at start up the pump breaking right in front of me,
Corroded water pumps which may be due
To that kwentong barbero, `only use water.` Nakaka sira daw ang coolant.