2002 Altis E mahina ang lamig.

[gerald_g]

I bought my 2nd hand altis last May, and recently napansin ko na mahina na ang lamig ng aircon pag tanghali.

I had it checked sa Robinaire sa Imelda Ave., Cainta. They checked the freon level and mababa ng daw, nasa 150 dapat daw nasa 200 yun. And immediately, without checking anything else, sabi nila sa evaporator daw may leak. And they quoted 3,500 for labor and 6,500 for the evaporator.

I also brought it in another aircon shop near my place sa ortigas extension. Freon levels were checked, mababa na nga daw; the technician also checked yun mga fittings wala naman daw traces of oil leak. He concluded na sa loob daw ang leak, sa evaporator. This shop quoted 2,500 for the labor and 4,500 for the evaporator.

So my question is - is it the evaporator the common culprit pag mahina na ang lamig ng altis? dapat ba meron pang ibang test na ginawa to check? Meron na bang ceejay's na malapit sa pasig?

Also, is the quotation of 2,500 and 4,500 for labor and evaporator fair enough?

Thanks!

[vinj]

Aside from loose fittings, the evaporator is the culprit for refrigerant leaks (before it was freon, now its R-134A).

Not sure on the price of the Altis evaporator but it also depends on the quality of the replacement. Have the shop check it also if some minor welding can do the trick; my sister's old 1.6E also had an Evap leak and Frigidzone welded it; lasted 2 years and the car was eventually sold with the A/C still running cool.

[gerald_g]

Aside from loose fittings, the evaporator is the culprit for refrigerant leaks (before it was freon, now its R-134A).

Not sure on the price of the Altis evaporator but it also depends on the quality of the replacement. Have the shop check it also if some minor welding can do the trick; my sister's old 1.6E also had an Evap leak and Frigidzone welded it; lasted 2 years and the car was eventually sold with the A/C still running cool.

Sir Vinj, saan yan Frigidzone?

[manbanana143]

normally 4years ang buhay ng evaporator, pag tumagal pa sa 4years suwerte mo na.

kung ikaw ang bibili ng evaporator mo sa store price niyan 2500 orig na yun serpentine (Malaysia).

2500 ang service okey na yan matagal kasi gawin yan baklas dashboard kasi yan, dapat kasama na refrigerant sa 2500.

plus expansion valve and cartridge drier kung kailangan palitan. expansion valve mga 1200 yan, and yun cartridge mga 1K.

[gerald_g]

normally 4years ang buhay ng evaporator, pag tumagal pa sa 4years suwerte mo na.

kung ikaw ang bibili ng evaporator mo sa store price niyan 2500 orig na yun serpentine (Malaysia).

2500 ang service okey na yan matagal kasi gawin yan baklas dashboard kasi yan, dapat kasama na refrigerant sa 2500.

plus expansion valve and cartridge drier kung kailangan palitan. expansion valve mga 1200 yan, and yun cartridge mga 1K.

Thanks sa reply sir. Kamusta naman po kaya ang performance ng Serpentine Malaysia na evaporator versus sa OEM?
Tumawag ako sa Ceejays and 8,500 sa kanila yung evaporator na cool gear (denso). Ang laki din ng diperensya sa Malaysia.

[vinj]

Sir Vinj, saan yan Frigidzone?

Kamias Road in Q.C. (sa kanto near Xavierville). Theyre not the cheapest but so far okay naman yung work nila.

Try calling also Excellar in Banawe as they sell a/c parts. (you can google it).

One peeve i have with modern vehicles is a good number of them require the entire dash to be removed for the A/C to be serviced. Something i dont like since at times, this can be the cause for rattles later on.

[gerald_g]

Thanks Sir!

I agree with the dash thing. It's too cumbersome, and could result in electrical/electronic issues too later on if not done properly.

Kamias Road in Q.C. (sa kanto near Xavierville). Theyre not the cheapest but so far okay naman yung work nila.

Try calling also Excellar in Banawe as they sell a/c parts. (you can google it).

One peeve i have with modern vehicles is a good number of them require the entire dash to be removed for the A/C to be serviced. Something i dont like since at times, this can be the cause for rattles later on.

[manbanana143]

pag ikaw naman ang bibili ng laminated evaporator(parallel flow) 4-5K yan. serpentine(Series Flow) 2500, pareho naman designed for hot and humid condition yan, dedepende nalang yan sa compressor mo kung okey pa ang discharge pressure.

pag sa shop ka nag tanong price ng parts my patong talaga sila diyan, kaya lang yun iba masyado mataas ang patong.

[yapoy86]

sa ceejay's 1,500 ang cleaning nila kasama na refrigerant... talagang evaporator ang madalas na sumisingaw or nagkakabutas..

have them checked the whole system for leaks especially sa condenser part at mga fittings.. pero da best na din isabay mo na cleaning the evaporator... minsan nagkakaleak lang yan sa fittings ng expansion valve.. kung hindi pa nalilinis yan since 2002 eh malamang due for cleaning na talaga..

i have a 323 mazda 97 model.. nabili ko noon year 2000 tapos 1 year sa akin humina din ang lamig at bumaba na ang refrigerant pressure kaya pinalinis ko na.. it turned out na first time palang pala malilinis yung aircon nya.. nung i-check wala naman leak bumaba na lang talaga ang pressure sa katagalan...

[vinj]

sa ceejay's 1,500 ang cleaning nila kasama na refrigerant... talagang evaporator ang madalas na sumisingaw or nagkakabutas..

Is the price quoted at Ceejays for the Altis with the Denso a/c? This type requires the whole dash to be removed so the labor is higher then the usual a/c servicing on cars where the evaporator can be pulled out from behind the glove compartment.

[yapoy86]

yan yung nakasulat dun sa tarpaulin nila... baka for "standard" vehicle lang siguro.. baka pag nakita na altis eh mas mahal... nag pa cleaning ako this week 1,500 lang yung singil...

[shadow]

yan yung nakasulat dun sa tarpaulin nila... baka for "standard" vehicle lang siguro.. baka pag nakita na altis eh mas mahal... nag pa cleaning ako this week 1,500 lang yung singil...

Ang singil nila 2.5k ah

[yapoy86]

ganun ba.. saken kasi 1,500 lang although umabot ng 2,750 kasi nag pull down ng condenser at nag aluminum spot weld ng 13 na butas kasi tumama dun sa aux fan kaya na butas.. tapos add ng compressor oil at palit ng mga O-rings.. yung labor nila sa condenser pull down 550 petot plus 500 petot sa spot weld aluminum so 2,550 na yun.. plus 200 pesos for the oil and 4pcs O-rings

dapat talaga pag nagpagawa ng aircon palit na expansion valve lalo na kung matagal na yan.. pati drier.. but make sure na bago yung ipapalit na parts especially the expansion valve and most of all eh ORIG yung refrigerant na ikakarga.. madaming peke ngayon na refrigerant... hilaw ang lamig nyan

[rdc]

hi sir, try nyo po s RDC car aircon & Motor works S makati. may puntos po ung shop n pinuntahan mo s cainta.
pusibli po n nasa fitting lng ng exp.valve ang leak, madalas po naming ma encounter ang ganung problem s mga altis..
kung gusto nyo po malaman tawag po kayo s tel. 5104968 or txt s 09218059258 look for Ronald...

[admiral88]

kung papalitan yung evaporator, palagyan mo na ng cabin air filter para mas matagal ang cleaning interval.

[gerald_g]

Thanks sa reply rdc and admiral. I decided to bring the car to mang mario yesterday morning, kahit medyo malayo from my place. I called him the day before and gave me an estimate of 7K for evap replacement and labor. So I went for it, para maexperience na din anf infamous na mang mario.

I got there at around 8:10am. Medyo kulang sila sa tao kahapon kaya past 9AM na naumpisahan na car ko. Walang leak sa labas, and as expected busted na ang evaporator, Norman showed me the kungg saan ang butas and yung traces ng oil.

230PM natapos gawin, medyo natagalan since may mga inaattend pa na ibang customers in between. But that's fine, OK naman kakawentuhan si mang mar and the other customers.

Result - Malamig na ang buga ng aircon, temp setting is pegged sa middle, not even close to the coldest setting. Masusubok ito pag tirik ang araw, medyo kulimlim kasi kahapon. Praying that it stays this way forever

Total Damage - Replaced Evaporator, Expansion Valve, Labor = P8,000... nakahingi pa ako ng konting tawad dyan