2002 Altis E mahina ang lamig.

[gerald_g]

I bought my 2nd hand altis last May, and recently napansin ko na mahina na ang lamig ng aircon pag tanghali.

I had it checked sa Robinaire sa Imelda Ave., Cainta. They checked the freon level and mababa ng daw, nasa 150 dapat daw nasa 200 yun. And immediately, without checking anything else, sabi nila sa evaporator daw may leak. And they quoted 3,500 for labor and 6,500 for the evaporator.

I also brought it in another aircon shop near my place sa ortigas extension. Freon levels were checked, mababa na nga daw; the technician also checked yun mga fittings wala naman daw traces of oil leak. He concluded na sa loob daw ang leak, sa evaporator. This shop quoted 2,500 for the labor and 4,500 for the evaporator.

So my question is - is it the evaporator the common culprit pag mahina na ang lamig ng altis? dapat ba meron pang ibang test na ginawa to check? Meron na bang ceejay's na malapit sa pasig?

Also, is the quotation of 2,500 and 4,500 for labor and evaporator fair enough?

Thanks!

[vinj]

Aside from loose fittings, the evaporator is the culprit for refrigerant leaks (before it was freon, now its R-134A).

Not sure on the price of the Altis evaporator but it also depends on the quality of the replacement. Have the shop check it also if some minor welding can do the trick; my sister's old 1.6E also had an Evap leak and Frigidzone welded it; lasted 2 years and the car was eventually sold with the A/C still running cool.

[yapoy86]

sa ceejay's 1,500 ang cleaning nila kasama na refrigerant... talagang evaporator ang madalas na sumisingaw or nagkakabutas..

have them checked the whole system for leaks especially sa condenser part at mga fittings.. pero da best na din isabay mo na cleaning the evaporator... minsan nagkakaleak lang yan sa fittings ng expansion valve.. kung hindi pa nalilinis yan since 2002 eh malamang due for cleaning na talaga..

i have a 323 mazda 97 model.. nabili ko noon year 2000 tapos 1 year sa akin humina din ang lamig at bumaba na ang refrigerant pressure kaya pinalinis ko na.. it turned out na first time palang pala malilinis yung aircon nya.. nung i-check wala naman leak bumaba na lang talaga ang pressure sa katagalan...

[vinj]

sa ceejay's 1,500 ang cleaning nila kasama na refrigerant... talagang evaporator ang madalas na sumisingaw or nagkakabutas..

Is the price quoted at Ceejays for the Altis with the Denso a/c? This type requires the whole dash to be removed so the labor is higher then the usual a/c servicing on cars where the evaporator can be pulled out from behind the glove compartment.

[yapoy86]

yan yung nakasulat dun sa tarpaulin nila... baka for "standard" vehicle lang siguro.. baka pag nakita na altis eh mas mahal... nag pa cleaning ako this week 1,500 lang yung singil...

[gerald_g]

Aside from loose fittings, the evaporator is the culprit for refrigerant leaks (before it was freon, now its R-134A).

Not sure on the price of the Altis evaporator but it also depends on the quality of the replacement. Have the shop check it also if some minor welding can do the trick; my sister's old 1.6E also had an Evap leak and Frigidzone welded it; lasted 2 years and the car was eventually sold with the A/C still running cool.

Sir Vinj, saan yan Frigidzone?

[manbanana143]

normally 4years ang buhay ng evaporator, pag tumagal pa sa 4years suwerte mo na.

kung ikaw ang bibili ng evaporator mo sa store price niyan 2500 orig na yun serpentine (Malaysia).

2500 ang service okey na yan matagal kasi gawin yan baklas dashboard kasi yan, dapat kasama na refrigerant sa 2500.

plus expansion valve and cartridge drier kung kailangan palitan. expansion valve mga 1200 yan, and yun cartridge mga 1K.

[shadow]

yan yung nakasulat dun sa tarpaulin nila... baka for "standard" vehicle lang siguro.. baka pag nakita na altis eh mas mahal... nag pa cleaning ako this week 1,500 lang yung singil...

Ang singil nila 2.5k ah

[yapoy86]

ganun ba.. saken kasi 1,500 lang although umabot ng 2,750 kasi nag pull down ng condenser at nag aluminum spot weld ng 13 na butas kasi tumama dun sa aux fan kaya na butas.. tapos add ng compressor oil at palit ng mga O-rings.. yung labor nila sa condenser pull down 550 petot plus 500 petot sa spot weld aluminum so 2,550 na yun.. plus 200 pesos for the oil and 4pcs O-rings

dapat talaga pag nagpagawa ng aircon palit na expansion valve lalo na kung matagal na yan.. pati drier.. but make sure na bago yung ipapalit na parts especially the expansion valve and most of all eh ORIG yung refrigerant na ikakarga.. madaming peke ngayon na refrigerant... hilaw ang lamig nyan

[gerald_g]

normally 4years ang buhay ng evaporator, pag tumagal pa sa 4years suwerte mo na.

kung ikaw ang bibili ng evaporator mo sa store price niyan 2500 orig na yun serpentine (Malaysia).

2500 ang service okey na yan matagal kasi gawin yan baklas dashboard kasi yan, dapat kasama na refrigerant sa 2500.

plus expansion valve and cartridge drier kung kailangan palitan. expansion valve mga 1200 yan, and yun cartridge mga 1K.

Thanks sa reply sir. Kamusta naman po kaya ang performance ng Serpentine Malaysia na evaporator versus sa OEM?
Tumawag ako sa Ceejays and 8,500 sa kanila yung evaporator na cool gear (denso). Ang laki din ng diperensya sa Malaysia.

[vinj]

Sir Vinj, saan yan Frigidzone?

Kamias Road in Q.C. (sa kanto near Xavierville). Theyre not the cheapest but so far okay naman yung work nila.

Try calling also Excellar in Banawe as they sell a/c parts. (you can google it).

One peeve i have with modern vehicles is a good number of them require the entire dash to be removed for the A/C to be serviced. Something i dont like since at times, this can be the cause for rattles later on.

[gerald_g]

Thanks Sir!

I agree with the dash thing. It's too cumbersome, and could result in electrical/electronic issues too later on if not done properly.

Kamias Road in Q.C. (sa kanto near Xavierville). Theyre not the cheapest but so far okay naman yung work nila.

Try calling also Excellar in Banawe as they sell a/c parts. (you can google it).

One peeve i have with modern vehicles is a good number of them require the entire dash to be removed for the A/C to be serviced. Something i dont like since at times, this can be the cause for rattles later on.

[manbanana143]

pag ikaw naman ang bibili ng laminated evaporator(parallel flow) 4-5K yan. serpentine(Series Flow) 2500, pareho naman designed for hot and humid condition yan, dedepende nalang yan sa compressor mo kung okey pa ang discharge pressure.

pag sa shop ka nag tanong price ng parts my patong talaga sila diyan, kaya lang yun iba masyado mataas ang patong.

[gerald_g]

pag ikaw naman ang bibili ng laminated evaporator(parallel flow) 4-5K yan. serpentine(Series Flow) 2500, pareho naman designed for hot and humid condition yan, dedepende nalang yan sa compressor mo kung okey pa ang discharge pressure.

pag sa shop ka nag tanong price ng parts my patong talaga sila diyan, kaya lang yun iba masyado mataas ang patong.

Thank you for the info sir. Now I know what to ask the shops pag nagcanvass pa ako.

[gerald_g]

I went to one shop in cainta today and i was given a different perspective. Sabi nung technician malamang daw hindi Evaporator ang problema. Kasi daw may pressure pa. Kung Evaporator daw dapat wala nang pressure. Sabi nya na 20% lang ang chance na evaporator ang problema. Accurate kaya ito? Sya pa lang ang nakapagsabi sa akin nito.

Dapat daw matingnan muna nila lahat - sa labas ma leak test, tapos sa loob, sa may evaporator.

May sinabi sya na sa baka sa expansion valve, or may nag expand na o-ring/s kaya nagpakawala ng pressure.

Ang catch lang sa shop nila ay mataas ang presyo ng parts - Evaporator (9,500), expansion valve (2,800), Drier (1,800).
Ok lang ang labor sa pagbaklas ng dash at baba ng evaporator at 2,500.

[manbanana143]

bro, sobra taas parts nila mataas pa yan sa casa, i leak test naman yan pag na fulldown evaporator, pag alang leak lilinisin lang yan then ibabalik narin, second hand kasi yan di mo alam ang history kung anu-ano na ang napalitan.
kung my nag expand na oring sa highside malamang which is nasa labas kita mo agad kung basa ng oil sa fittings.
mga modelong aircon ngayon bihira yun nag expand ang o-ring..

[bambino]

I went to one shop in cainta today and i was given a different perspective. Sabi nung technician malamang daw hindi Evaporator ang problema. Kasi daw may pressure pa. Kung Evaporator daw dapat wala nang pressure. Sabi nya na 20% lang ang chance na evaporator ang problema. Accurate kaya ito? Sya pa lang ang nakapagsabi sa akin nito.

Dapat daw matingnan muna nila lahat - sa labas ma leak test, tapos sa loob, sa may evaporator.

May sinabi sya na sa baka sa expansion valve, or may nag expand na o-ring/s kaya nagpakawala ng pressure.

Ang catch lang sa shop nila ay mataas ang presyo ng parts - Evaporator (9,500), expansion valve (2,800), Drier (1,800).
Ok lang ang labor sa pagbaklas ng dash at baba ng evaporator at 2,500.

para accurate ang leak test ,dapat electronic leak detector ang gamitin ng tech at re check ng soap and water spray sa mga visible parts . sa evap naman ,pag nag beep ng 2-3 times confirmed na may leak evap.

hindi na kailangan tanggalin pa isa isa mga parts just to test for leaks .

[gerald_g]

bro, sobra taas parts nila mataas pa yan sa casa, i leak test naman yan pag na fulldown evaporator, pag alang leak lilinisin lang yan then ibabalik narin, second hand kasi yan di mo alam ang history kung anu-ano na ang napalitan.
kung my nag expand na oring sa highside malamang which is nasa labas kita mo agad kung basa ng oil sa fittings.
mga modelong aircon ngayon bihira yun nag expand ang o-ring..

Thanks sa reply sir, parang sobrang mahal nga dun sa shop na yun, i called ceejays and 8500 lang sa kanila yun evaporator; malayo lang sa amin (ortigas extension). Try ko pa ulit magscout around for a shop near my place. Puro sarado kasi kanina, as expected.

[gerald_g]

para accurate ang leak test ,dapat electronic leak detector ang gamitin ng tech at re check ng soap and water spray sa mga visible parts . sa evap naman ,pag nag beep ng 2-3 times confirmed na may leak evap.

hindi na kailangan tanggalin pa isa isa mga parts just to test for leaks .

Thanks sa reply sir. Im just not sure kung aling shops dito sa manila ang meron electronic leak tester.

[rdc]

hi sir, try nyo po s RDC car aircon & Motor works S makati. may puntos po ung shop n pinuntahan mo s cainta.
pusibli po n nasa fitting lng ng exp.valve ang leak, madalas po naming ma encounter ang ganung problem s mga altis..
kung gusto nyo po malaman tawag po kayo s tel. 5104968 or txt s 09218059258 look for Ronald...