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    The pricing is very impressive. Hope to see reviews soon.



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    Hmmmm LWB tiguan...


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    Ayala? making the invasion so smooth [emoji28]

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    Such a huge price difference for the Volkswagen Tiguan just because of the tax ... Audi prices will go down as well since they can also be sourced from China ... do BMW and Mercedes Benz have factories in China? ...

    There's goes Lexus's price advantage ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Such a huge price difference for the Volkswagen Tiguan just because of the tax ... Audi prices will go down as well since they can also be sourced from China ... do BMW and Mercedes Benz have factories in China? ...

    There's goes Lexus's price advantage ...
    meron ba vw-mb-audi diesels from china?

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    The Lavida looks promising and it positioned its price right smack within the Altis 1.6V and Civic 1.8E. I bet the Jetta 2.0L TDI will have its price go up a bit. The 1.4T tune might be conservative at 128hp/225Nm but that peak torque (similar as the Civic RS) is more than good enough for a zippy ride on city streets.

    The Lamando might position itself at a lower price than the usual Accord and Camry. With the same engine as the Lavida but the tune might be similar to the older Jetta/Golf 1.4T rated at 148hp/250Nm is good enough for what most folks need. Rarely do owners of midsize cars rev up their 2.4L or 2.5L NA engines for spirited rides of more than 4k rpm.

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    The Santana is very tempting...

    17 Images: A closer look at the Volkswagen Santana | TopGear PH

    Sayang wala pang AT version.

    I find it also strange na on paper, the Vios' 1.3 engine produces more HP than the Santana's 1.4L engine...

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    Base santana is pretty tempting.
    How much features is skimpped remains to be seen. This might dent the current accent sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicle View Post
    Base santana is pretty tempting.
    How much features is skimpped remains to be seen. This might dent the current accent sales.

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    manual diesel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    manual diesel?

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    Manual gas.

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    VW trying to hit the Vios/City/Mirage price point. Nothing wrong with using older platforms (Santana/Lavida) as these are better vs the China copycat cars. From a business standpoint, Jetta and Golf with no Asian production hub could never be the bread and butter models. Too expensive to ship to Asia. At least with the China models, those can pay the bills. The Euro models can continue to be sold naman, albeit at higher prices due to TRAIN and the weakening peso.

    At least the Lamando uses the latest MQB platform used in the Golf and Passat.


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    Maybe, because of the china units?

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    ^
    How did it compare to base vios?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicle View Post
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    How did it compare to base vios?

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    If you ask me, take away concerns on parts availability and number of dealerships/CASAs to service/repair the VW, I would say the Santana is the better car.

    I can compare since my sister-in-law drives a Vios J and I get to borrow it sometimes for quick errands.

    You don't get a feeling that the Santana is entry-level at all, unlike the Vios J as fit and finish are vastly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingoftheNorth View Post
    If you ask me, take away concerns on parts availability and number of dealerships/CASAs to service/repair the VW, I would say the Santana is the better car.

    I can compare since my sister-in-law drives a Vios J and I get to borrow it sometimes for quick errands.

    You don't get a feeling that the Santana is entry-level at all, unlike the Vios J as fit and finish are vastly different.
    Thanks. I always liked the vios interior at this price point (700k). Our family also owns one but is the E variant and its just ok. VW might hit a jackpot if they are aggressive enough. Hopefully, this will be frugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicle View Post
    Thanks. I always liked the vios interior at this price point (700k). Our family also owns one but is the E variant and its just ok. VW might hit a jackpot if they are aggressive enough. Hopefully, this will be frugal.

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    I was thinking along the same lines...in that at the 700k range, the Vios checks a lot of boxes. That changed when I saw the VW in the metal. I am honestly impressed with the Santana...bang for the buck, and then some. Hopefully they come out with the AT version of the sedan soon as I have some concerns driving an MT daily through rush hour traffic.

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    Looking at the specs of santana. Im wondering, how will the euro 5 standard engine will perform on our "euro4" gas.

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    The Lavida is such an awful car compared to the Jetta it replaces.

    You're basically paying the same money to get a non-diesel car which is 1 generation older than the Jetta (which has also been updated to a new gen). It's like buying an FD Civic for the price of a new FC Civic.

    They were making headway with the Jetta and Golf. Only the Santana has the potential to make an impact, but this Lavida and all other Chinese VWs will certainly be bottom-dwellers.

    That said, the subcompact segment is more important to win than the compact segment simply because the size of prize is so much bigger there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    The Lavida is such an awful car compared to the Jetta it replaces.

    You're basically paying the same money to get a non-diesel car which is 1 generation older than the Jetta (which has also been updated to a new gen). It's like buying an FD Civic for the price of a new FC Civic.

    They were making headway with the Jetta and Golf. Only the Santana has the potential to make an impact, but this Lavida and all other Chinese VWs will certainly be bottom-dwellers.

    That said, the subcompact segment is more important to win than the compact segment simply because the size of prize is so much bigger there.

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    Correction: The Lavida rides on the Mk4 Golf platform, making it 3 (!) generations behind the Golf GTS and 2 generations behind the Jetta.

    Santana is a smart move, since even if it rides on a Mk5 platform, that is still better than any competition in its class.

    I'm at a loss on why VW launched the old Lavida when they just launched the new one last year. Poor reading of the Philippine market.

    Kung tariffs lang problema they could import the current gen Jetta from China, also known as the Sagitar.


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    I really hope Ayala will come to their senses and bring back the classic models (golf, jetta, etc)
    I guess Volkswagen International are still testing the Philippines and the new distributor Ayala Auto Group if they can manage and survive the market experimentation with china models.

    Still keeping my fingers crossed for the Golf GTI MK7.5, the model was released in other markets last year. Maybe Europe has a surplus of their own after the emission regulations & probably send it to the Philippines a bunch if they can't sell it there, VW Golf GTI Killed By WLTP In Europe; GTI Performance Soldiers On

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