2021 Volkswagen T-Cross

[Egan101]

May stigma pa rin kasi sakin that the Territory is just a rebadge. The Geely is is their own and the VW is a global model.

CX-30 turbo

Drove the Coolray early last year and it is fun. Much better in terms of engine performance compared to our ASX with a 2.0L NA engine.

Wala ata CX30 turbo sa Pinas. For the price of the CX30 AWD, I’d rather get the CX5 AWD or the Mazda6 Wagon - at least you get a bigger space plus a better engine.


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[ice15]

[hardwang]

The old person in me keeps on whispering na mas maganda NA engine for long-term use as it has 1 less part na pwede masira... walang turbo

My wife: gaano ko daw katagal plan gamitin yung car

I actually haven't heard of any failures with turbos itself in recent times. What's actually the more common issues with Turbo GDI is oil dilution, some burn oil, dirty intake valves and pre-ignition.

[ice15]

I actually haven't heard of any failures with turbos itself in recent times. What's actually the more common issues with Turbo GDI is oil dilution, some burn oil, dirty intake valves and pre-ignition.

I agree... But as I said, its "the old person in me"

[Egan101]

I agree... But as I said, its "the old person in me"

Di ka naman ganun katanda. I guess matanda pa ako sa iyo.

Medyo bitin sa hatak yung small displacement gas engines. Something 2.0L or better will be better.


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[hardwang]

I agree... But as I said, its "the old person in me"

The "old person" in you is correct though. A NA engine will definitely outlast an engine with turbo, but that will only be relevant depending on how long one plans to keep his car... Get a turbo and enjoy better performance, YOLO as the kids would say

[Egan101]

If a turbocharger is such a concern, why are there so many buyers of turbocharged diesel vehicles? Almost every diesel-fed vehicle is turbocharged except for the old tech Adventure and L300.

I guess a turbocharged petrol vehicle would not be too much of a concern, like how most people embraced turbo diesel vehicles.


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[ice15]

If a turbocharger is such a concern, why are there so many buyers of turbocharged diesel vehicles? Almost every diesel-fed vehicle is turbocharged except for the old tech Adventure.

I guess a turbocharged petrol vehicle would be less of a concern compared to a turbocharged diesel vehicle.

I heard this arguments before... so will just give the same answer...

Are there still Naturally Aspirated diesel engines available in the market?

Even if you wanted to buy one, no one's selling.

The "old person in me" is asking me to stay away from Turbo engines, but in reality, I will probably purchase either an Innova or a Territory by end of this year, or early next year

Just like the "old person in me" saying the Manual Tranny is better... I will still buy an A/T

[hardwang]

If a turbocharger is such a concern, why are there so many buyers of turbocharged diesel vehicles? Almost every diesel-fed vehicle is turbocharged except for the old tech Adventure and L300.

I guess a turbocharged petrol vehicle would not be too much of a concern like a turbocharged diesel vehicle.


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Turbocharger itself is not the concern. Its more of the extra wear it produces to the engine...

I don't know if anyone here can verify this but I've been told that diesel engine blocks are inherently more durable than common gasoline engines, mas makapal daw ang materials na ginagamit sa diesel engines, hence why turbo diesels last longer than turbo gas.

[tarzegetakizerd]

I don't know if anyone here can verify this but I've been told that diesel engine blocks are inherently more durable than common gasoline engines, mas makapal daw ang materials na ginagamit sa diesel engines, hence why turbo diesels last longer than turbo gas.

That's because diesel fuel requires higher combustion pressures.

[ice15]

Turbocharger itself is not the concern. Its more of the extra wear it produces to the engine...

I don't know if anyone here can verify this but I've been told that diesel engine blocks are inherently more durable than common gasoline engines, mas makapal daw ang materials na ginagamit sa diesel engines, hence why turbo diesels last longer than turbo gas.

yes... diesel engines are built "better" compared to petrol engines

however

diesel also needs a higher compression ratio and they are heavier (thanks to the sturdier materials used)

Turbo Maintenance... Look at all those locally made jeeps and buses. Most engines used to have a turbo which was removed by local mechanics to avoid future issues. Hence, the locally "modified" diesel engines lost power and started emitting black smoke.

[ice15]

Back to the T-Cross...

I think a lot of people would be interested if it was priced like the MG ZS

Or (at its current price) had all the features of the Territory Titanium

[Egan101]

We have had 4 turbo petrol cars since 2014. All three had proven reliable over a span of 5 years. 3 were petrol and 1 is a diesel.

I had to sell the Fiesta Ecoboost back in 2019. I would have kept it but we acquired the ASX.

The FXT, Civic RS, and Jetta TDI were all acquired in 2016. No major concerns for all three cars.

The VW T-Cross would have been better if it had the 1.4L turbo engine. I drove a Golf 1.4T back in 2016 and I would say it is one of the best cars I have driven.


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[yapoy86]

I think AC needs to figure out kung para kanino yung VW Philippines

When Honda started in the late 80s it was a people's car (kasabayan ng Charade and Pride)... tapos unti unting lumaki engine nung Civic + power features...
Isuzu will always have the diesel engine
Kia is locally known na, I think sakto pricing nila sa Stonic

IMO, Maxus is easy if they marketed it well

Kaya lang VW... We Pinoys don't have the "loyalty" to the brand, and if its priced higher than the competitors, medyo mahirap bilhin.

kilala lang kasi ng pinoy yan VW as the legendary beetle.. yung nga subaru akala ng iba eh european brand..

[yapoy86]

Turbocharger itself is not the concern. Its more of the extra wear it produces to the engine...

I don't know if anyone here can verify this but I've been told that diesel engine blocks are inherently more durable than common gasoline engines, mas makapal daw ang materials na ginagamit sa diesel engines, hence why turbo diesels last longer than turbo gas.

sa design, they need to compensate for the extra power from the turbo... some 4d56 engines have turbo but you cannot fit a turbo to a NA 4d56 engine as their internal components are different.

also diesel engines have more robust blocks due to high combustion pressure needed.. in the 4JA1 isuzu engine, the turbo is a low charge turbo.. only to help the engine improve its emission and not really to add more power..

i believe that an turbo gas engine can also reach the same life span of a NA engine given the proper maintenance and normal use.

sana nga VW fitted a diesel engine sa T-cross para maiba naman among small crossovers na puro gas engine

[hardwang]

We have had 4 turbo petrol cars since 2014. All three had proven reliable over a span of 5 years. 3 were petrol and 1 is a diesel.

I had to sell the Fiesta Ecoboost back in 2019. I would have kept it but we acquired the ASX.

The FXT, Civic RS, and Jetta TDI were all acquired in 2016. No major concerns for all three cars.

The VW T-Cross would have been better if it had the 1.4L turbo engine. I drove a Golf 1.4T back in 2016 and I would say it is one of the best cars I have driven.


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Yes. Its normal not to have any problems in 5 years. Even 10 years I doubt there will be major problems.

But in say... 20 years, will a turbo gas engine be as in good condition as a NA?
As I said, such question will only be relevant depending how long one plans to keep his car...




Going back to the T-Cross, after watching the video, I still cannot see any distinguishing features vs its competitors. The only standouts is that it looks spacious and rear vents are good... Interior looks youthful I guess. Price talaga problem nito.

[ice15]

Yes. Its normal not to have any problems in 5 years. Even 10 years I doubt there will be major problems.

But in say... 20 years, will a turbo gas engine be as in good condition as a NA?
As I said, such question will only be relevant depending how long one plans to keep his car...

Agree. using my sister as an example. Her car will only visit the dealership for its 1,000kms free check-up... next PMS will be arranged by a local mechanic. Kaya every time she asks us for a car suggestion, we will always answer it with a Naturally Aspirated, preferably Manual, Toyota

Going back to the T-Cross, after watching the video, I still cannot see any distinguishing features vs its competitors. The only standouts is that it looks spacious and rear vents are good... Interior looks youthful I guess. Price talaga problem nito.

(Haven't seen the video, pero) I remember articles saying na may USB-C sya, very convenient for me since I replaced all my cables with a Type-C na... pero all our cars have Qi chargers

IMO, VW needs a good endorser for its cars. One that can speak to their potential buyers.

They cannot sell VW (and Maxus) like a Honda or an Isuzu

[Egan101]

Somehow, VW-PH got good sales figures when they brought in those Jettas and Golfs back in 2016. It turned sour for them when they pushed those China models which was not much appreciated.


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[ice15]

Somehow, VW-PH got good sales figures when they brought in those Jettas and Golfs back in 2016. It turned sour for them when they pushed those China models which was not much appreciated.


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I've never had the chance to see their 2016-17 figures, pero if I remember correctly, ito dapat yung diesel engine cars nila which had very good reputation (internationally) then Dieselgate happened

[Dr.Kamiya]

Yes. Its normal not to have any problems in 5 years. Even 10 years I doubt there will be major problems.

But in say... 20 years, will a turbo gas engine be as in good condition as a NA?

One more data point in favor of turbo reliability since we're giving anecdotal evidence: I've had my WRX since early 2007 so 14 years na. Never had a single problem with the engine.

A Ford commuter car from around the same time actually gave me more trouble as it needed to have its cylinder head rebuilt.