Suggestion, an idea to solve the MRT train problem and congest EDSA

[Stigg ma]

Hi Tsikoters,

I have an idea to solve the MRT, i know some of you would find this crazy, or funny and even without basis... but thats why i am seeking opinions...

as we know, MRT trains breaks down frequently due to unprofessional maintenance done to its trains... with this, restoring the trains and its safety accessories (signaling system) to its safe working condition would be costly...

the solution i am thinking is to remove all the train tracks and trains and just replace it with a very long hybrid diesel bus, this way we would also solve the employee train operator certification cost because they wont need it to operate a bus running on a straight line...

what are your ideas to solve the MRT?

[Stigg ma]

BTW: the very long bus has been in the philippines by the department of science and technology...

[Vodka]

so instead of elevated light rail you want those things hogging the road?

brilliant

[Stigg ma]

so instead of elevated light rail you want those things hogging the road?

brilliant

no, read it again, remove all the tracks and the trains, use the existing pavement and platform of the MRT, in short, instead of the trains, in the middle of edsa, we shall use the long hybrid buses

we shall call it instead, elevated light bus system in the absence of the trains...

[yebo]

and that solution is cheaper than buying new trains and making sure the maintenance is done by a competent company?

[cast_no_shadow]

and that solution is cheaper than buying new trains and making sure the maintenance is done by a competent company?

Nothing beats this.

Isama na sa emergency powers ni Royal highness Duterte.

[Stigg ma]

and that solution is cheaper than buying new trains and making sure the maintenance is done by a competent company?

yep, this is cheaper, no more signaling system as there is no metal to metal friction braking to consider, thus no more training of train driver... in my opinion, this can be implemented in just one month, remove all the tracks and trains and replace them with bus... the purpose of the MRT is MASS transport, but in the absence of the working trains its purpose not being utilized... thus if we want an immediate action/solution, this is the idea that came to my mind...

desperate to have the system working again transporting mass amount of people, well while waiting for the production of long hybrid bus, lets just use the ordinary diesel bus in the mean time on the MRT platform...

BTW: we the philippines already bought new trains from CHINA which are only being used/utilized on weekends due to it is incompatibility with the current/outdated MRT signaling system utilizing a 5 1/2 floppy disk operated signaling system paired with a 256Mb PC...

LOOK: Poor condition of MRT-3's signalling system [photos]

[Vodka]

no, read it again, remove all the tracks and the trains, use the existing pavement and platform of the MRT, in short, instead of the trains, in the middle of edsa, we shall use the long hybrid buses

we shall call it instead, elevated light bus system in the absence of the trains...

so you want steerable rubber-tired "buses" running on very narrow elevated roads

that's even more brilliant

[Altis6453]

For me, the long-term solutions are still the following:

1. De-congest Metro Manila by promoting establishments of businesses in the countryside
2. Build more roads (which means biting the bullet and buying up/exrpopriating private property) and bridges/underpasses
3. A more draconian phaseout of old PUBs/PUJs --- meaning 10 years old and older
4. Increase taxes in registrations of older private vehicles at least 10 years and older
5. Have a quota system for franchises for all PUBs/PUJs so the number of those plying the roads are controlled. This means revoking those which were granted, if necessary.
6. Do a 2-line subway system from Pampanga to Batangas

[yebo]

For me, the long-term solutions are still the following:

1. De-congest Metro Manila by promoting establishments of businesses in the countryside
2. Build more roads (which means biting the bullet and buying up/exrpopriating private property) and bridges/underpasses
3. A more draconian phaseout of old PUBs/PUJs --- meaning 10 years old and older
4. Increase taxes in registrations of older private vehicles at least 10 years and older
5. Have a quota system for franchises for all PUBs/PUJs so the number of those plying the roads are controlled. This means revoking those which were granted, if necessary.
6. Do a 2-line subway system from Pampanga to Batangas

#1, totally prohibit new manufacturing plants inside metro manila.
#2, elevated roads. make edsa a 2 or even 3 level road. yung mga taga forbes park and other villages around edsa na ayaw ma-violate daw yung privacy nila e tayuan ng mataas na wall.
#3, yes. actually may limit ang franchise, 5 years then renewable for 3 years. ewan ko lang bakit nakakalusot yung madami.
#4, can't do this. against yan sa senior citizens and also the poorer (relatively) car owners who can't afford new cars. pabor lang yan sa car dealers and manufacturers.
#5, meron na, di lang na-implement. and also may mga cloned car plates na 2 yung bus nila na same plate number.
#6, better, pag nasa pampanga ka nakatira dun ka mag-work, and vice versa. ang siste kasi yung nasa bulacan sa makati at taguig nagtratrabaho tapos yung nasa muntinlupa sa kalookan nag trabaho. e kung yung nasa taguig sa taguig magtrabaho e di walang trapik!

[donbuggy]

#2, elevated roads. make edsa a 2 or even 3 level road. yung mga taga forbes park and other villages around edsa na ayaw ma-violate daw yung privacy nila e tayuan ng mataas na wall.

It depends on the location of the elevated road. It should not contribute to more traffic to a congested area.

Simplified drawing of traffic going to Makati.



The Skyway was built which increased the traffic to Makati.


Here's an analogy that explains why the Skyway is a bad idea:

Let's say you're in a queue that is moving slowly to a window at a counter. Then another line is formed next to your line. But instead of going to another window, this new line merges with your line. This slows down the movement of your line.

Your line = ground level roads to Makati
New line = Skyway

This is why the Skyway made the traffic worst.

The solution is open another window at the counter.

So in this analogy: New window = more roads in Makati.

Solution:

How to increase the road area in Makati? Since existing roads in Makati could not be widened anymore, elevated roads could be built on top of existing roads in Makati. The main roads in Makati (such as Buendia and Ayala) should have two levels. The traffic in the ground level moves in one direction and the traffic in the second level moves in the opposite direction.



In other words, the Skyway should be in Makati, not going to Makati.

[minicarph]

ang naiisip ko naman hover bus. bale ganyan na bus as shown in pic tapos tanggalin mo yun gulong


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[yebo]

ang naiisip ko naman hover bus. bale ganyan na bus as shown in pic tapos tanggalin mo yun gulong


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e di teleporter na lang mas mabilis pa.

gamot mo uminom ka nga!

[Wh1stl3r2]

e di teleporter na lang mas mabilis pa.

gamot mo uminom ka nga!

Baka takot na din uminom ng prescription, baka kasi maging drug suspect!

Re:MRT in its current form, I don't know the inner workings of the problems they have, but I have one point to raise and that is the fare. Fare is supposedly too low for the MRT's operational costs, not even enough to just break even. If the goal is to decentralize employment, etc., why are we still subsidizing MRT fares?

Wouldn't it be better to hike fares so that subsidies are reduced, and maybe someday given regular fare increases it might even make money. Then they would have something to fund maintenance and perhaps upgrades in the future. And people who can't afford it will be forced to seek transportation, perhaps even employment elsewhere.

[Vodka]

Baka takot na din uminom ng prescription, baka kasi maging drug suspect!

Re:MRT in its current form, I don't know the inner workings of the problems they have, but I have one point to raise and that is the fare. Fare is supposedly too low for the MRT's operational costs, not even enough to just break even. If the goal is to decentralize employment, etc., why are we still subsidizing MRT fares?

Wouldn't it be better to hike fares so that subsidies are reduced, and maybe someday given regular fare increases it might even make money. Then they would have something to fund maintenance and perhaps upgrades in the future. And people who can't afford it will be forced to seek transportation, perhaps even employment elsewhere.

yeah it's sort of a chicken/egg problem. people complain of poor facilities but they don't wanna pay for good service. so how can you invest in more trains (and proper maintenance) if people aren't gonna pay for it?

then also, how could people afford to pay for higher fares if they're always late to work with the current transport infrastructure

on top of that, any improvements in infrastructure will always lag behind the increase in population (at the rate it's going). so at the end of the day things are always gonna get worse no matter what

metro manila is pretty much unfixable IMHO

[vinj]

yeah it's sort of a chicken/egg problem. people complain of poor facilities but they don't wanna pay for good service. so how can you invest in more trains (and proper maintenance) if people aren't gonna pay for it?

Our MRT/LRT fares here are piss cheap the last time i checked. The previous admin proposed to raise fares i think but of course this was met by a lot of cry babies.

On a related note, i read that the DOTC has a memorandum banning UV Ex vehicles from EDSA.

[1D4LV]

hmmmm.

the structure is there. why not build from it. removing the tracks and replacing it with an alternative mean would be more costly.

sa akin, get faster, better trains...(if i say fast, get trains that run at least 60 kph - not 30 kph). the one that leaves and arrives every 5 minutes. improve the MRT/LRT structure (better elevators, better escalators), then expand. and maintain it properly. get a reputable maintenance provider with excellent track record. if it is running smoothly, remove unnecessary vehicles (buses, UVs) from the road and encourage everyone to ride the trains.

private sector should have that incentive if you are leaving the car at home and taking the train. or instead of giving an incentive, make car ownership more expensive. this is how it works in singapore and in HK. better public transportation, highest cost of vehicle ownership, high cost of fuel.

kung comfortable and efficient na ang public transpo, there is no sense taking your car with you kung mahal ang costs.

di naman masama mangarap diba?

[jut703]

sa akin, get faster, better trains...(if i say fast, get trains that run at least 60 kph - not 30 kph). the one that leaves and arrives every 5 minutes.

When I used to ride the MRT back in high school, this was the case - the trains ran at 60-65 kph, and intervals were within 5 minutes.

Unfortunately the trains were not maintained properly by Sumitomo/MRTC and little by little the rolling stock diminished and the signaling systems broke down, resulting in the overloaded, ill-maintained trains we have now.

That said, the fact that it was done before means that it's possible to get it working at that level again, perhaps even better.


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[pau88]

bakit kaya hindi naisip nila marcos, cory ramos era na laparan ang edsa. hindi nila naisip na dadami ang tao sa metro. congested tuloy. solution lang talaga is to have a good maintenance and 2-3 mins waiting time sa platform. siguro kasama din yung disiplina ng motorist sa EDSA

[dr. d]

put in more, faster trains. it's the only way to decrease the waiting hordes.
but more important, is to make sure the people charged with running the business, are good and honest.

and please! decide already: money-maker or subsidized? then go support the decision fully!