Manila after the war

[JackFlash]

Exactly!

This is the point what "JackFlash" is missing with all attention and misplaced concern on humanity and children.

No. You're missing my point. You asked me to buy a TV, I told you I already have one. I asked that if you want a bloody revolution, go join a rebel group and tell us what it feels like.

Misplaced concern on humanity and children? Why? Don't they matter in a revolution?

[ghosthunter]

No. You're missing my point. You asked me to buy a TV, I told you I already have one. I asked that if you want a bloody revolution, go join a rebel group and tell us what it feels like.

Misplaced concern on humanity and children? Why? Don't they matter in a revolution?

So with the innocent people getting killed and injured by the low-lifes of our society is fine with you then? Examples are the kidnap for ransom victims and murdered journalists. I guess as long as we have due concern for humanity & children, it is fine that all those injuries and killings go on?

Sacrifices on the altar for a peaceful but corrupt government.

[CVT]

Profound!

12.2K:lawn:

[JackFlash]

So with the innocent people getting killed and injured by the low-lifes of our society is fine with you then? Examples are the kidnap for ransom victims and murdered journalists. I guess as long as we have due concern for humanity & children, it is fine that all those injuries and killings go on?

Sacrifices on the altar for a peaceful but corrupt government.

Now those are your conclusions from my statements. How the heck did you infer those? Just because I don't agree with you, you conclude that I'll allow all the wrongdoings to continue? Whoa, kemo sabe. Set aside that ego.

[donbuggy]

there's also the Monty Python and the Holy grail which is absolute genius!

Those who advocate violent revolution can use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.

First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Ha...ade_of_Antioch

[chua_riwap]

interesting thread......:popcorn::pepsi:

[shakatak70]

How much did the US pay Spain for the Philippines again?

$20 million in December 1898


Pwede na mag-ala Pol Pot... masyado na kasi magagaling ang ating mga politiko at yung mga intellectual... kahit may batas inilulusot pa rin at ginagawang maraming butas ang bawat batas. Kung ito lang ang paraan para tumino ang Pilipinas ang at kanyang sambayanan bakit hindi... Masakit man at 'ika nga kung ang isang madugong paraan ang sagot para sa ikabubuti ng pangkalahatang kalagayan ng bansa at ng mamamayan, maaring maging angkop yan. Dahil sa pangyayaring ganyan titimo iyan sa kaisipan ng mga mga tao na di na hahayaan at papayagang maulit muli...

Subalit may isa pang mas mainam na paraan diyan sa halip na isang madugong rebolusyon... dahil sa ang Pilipino ay masyado nang Malaya na sa pagaakala niya ay kaya ng gawing ang ano mang kanyang gustuhin, masyado na siyang lunod sa kapangyarihan at korapsyon...

Dapat isang KAMAY NA BAKAL ang gamitin sa pag sweto sa sambayanang Pilipino. Marami ang di aayun pero sa aking pananaw sadyang matitigas ang ulo ng mga Pilipino at alam nilang may padrino silang makukuha sa halos lahat ng bagay o asunto diyan sa atin. Pero teka bakit pag nasa labas ng Pilipinas ang isang Pilipino masunurin naman siya... Dahil wala siyang padrinong makukuha, walang palakasan at ang hustisya ay umiiral sa ibayong dagat. Kaya walang pinoy na pahara-hara at siga sa ibang bayan dahil alam nilang kalaboso ang kanilang pupuntahan.

Pansin ko lang after Marcos naging masyadong malaya na ang Pinoy

[agentrambo007]

I already have a TV set, thank you. And I also have children whom I wouldn't want to see go through the ravages of war. I have my parents and grandparents to tell me what it's like. I have history books to tell me what it's like. And thanks to my TV set, I have the History channel to show me what wars and revolutions are like.

IMO, it's not the nature of the revolution - bloody or peaceful - that determines the upliftment of the country, but the nature of the people who come in to fill the gaps. From the leaders down to the citizenry.

Now if you want to experiment with a bloody revolution, why not sign up with the NPA, MNLF or MILF? Live up in the mountains for a while, then come back and tell us if you still think it's worth it.

OK. NPA (CPP-NDF) was born because it WAS the alternative that time (capitalism vs communism thing of the 20th century). Now what is the alternative today? you think we have a leveled playing field for all of the Filipinos in light of the presence of vested self interests known as the oligarchs (ok dont get me started in listing the names, they are all flashed in these oligarch controlled media!).

How do you correct the existing status quo of it is corrupted to the core? How do you mount a "peaceful" revolution against these vested self interest groups known as the oligarchs if they have managed to propagate through guns, goons and gold? I doubt you will result to peaceful means.

REVOLUTION IS THE ANSWER!

[miLes]

....

Dapat isang KAMAY NA BAKAL ang gamitin sa pag sweto sa sambayanang Pilipino. Marami ang di aayun pero sa aking pananaw sadyang matitigas ang ulo ng mga Pilipino at alam nilang may padrino silang makukuha sa halos lahat ng bagay o asunto diyan sa atin. Pero teka bakit pag nasa labas ng Pilipinas ang isang Pilipino masunurin naman siya... Dahil wala siyang padrinong makukuha, walang palakasan at ang hustisya ay umiiral sa ibayong dagat. Kaya walang pinoy na pahara-hara at siga sa ibang bayan dahil alam nilang kalaboso ang kanilang pupuntahan.

Pansin ko lang after Marcos naging masyadong malaya na ang Pinoy

+1

we need an iron hand, we need a complete overhaul of government officials.

now i cant decide which side to pick...GH's or jackflash's

i think those voting for a revolution do not have kids, everything differs when you have a child na kasi. here we are agreeing and arguing, tho we all agree that change in the philippines is long due but we argue on the process hehe the human species love chaos

by the way...revolution by whom?

[ghosthunter]

+1

we need an iron hand, we need a complete overhaul of government officials.

now i cant decide which side to pick...GH's or jackflash's

i think those voting for a revolution do not have kids, everything differs when you have a child na kasi. here we are agreeing and arguing, tho we all agree that change in the philippines is long due but we argue on the process hehe the human species love chaos

by the way...revolution by whom?

If you choose jackflash, you just get another EDSA-1. With 25 years of hindsight, we can see how well that worked out.

[safeorigin]

[ghosthunter]

Just me, but wouldn't holding an AK47 like in the picture is just like telling the rifle to punch you in the eye when you pull the trigger?

[donbuggy]

For peace and order:

We should have an Internal Security Act that permits arrest without trial (like in Singapore). However this power of the state should only be used against terrorists and violent criminals. It should not be used against the peaceful political opposition, journalists, etc.

For a livable Metro Manila:

We can transform Metro Manila if we do it by parts. Start by redesigning and rebuilding the main bus stops in Cubao, Crossing, Guadalupe, etc.

Design goals:

1) Seamless transfer from one mode of transportation to another.

2) The layout of the bus stops should be in such a way that the buses do not block the movement of other vehicles.

3) The passenger waiting area should
- be wide enough (to avoid overcrowding)
- have a roof
- be accessible by covered walkway.

4) Aesthetically pleasing. Hindi pwede iyong chicken wire bus stops.

[Haruto]

For peace and order:

We should have an Internal Security Act that permits arrest without trial (like in Singapore). However this power of the state should only be used against terrorists and violent criminals. It should not be used against the peaceful political opposition, journalists, etc.

For a livable Metro Manila:

We can transform Metro Manila if we do it by parts. Start by redesigning and rebuilding the main bus stops in Cubao, Crossing, Guadalupe, etc.

Design goals:

1) Seamless transfer from one mode of transportation to another.

2) The layout of the bus stops should be in such a way that the buses do not block the movement of other vehicles.

3) The passenger waiting area should
- be wide enough (to avoid overcrowding)
- have a roof
- be accessible by covered walkway.

4) Aesthetically pleasing. Hindi pwede iyong chicken wire bus stops.

nice! i believe dapat i under sa government control ang public transportation at maging ordinary na bayaran na lang ang mga drivers at hindi per commission/quota basis. para gaya sa ibang mauunlad na bayan, may set na oras lang talaga kung kelan dadating yung bus/transpo sa waiting area, magintay ng ilang saglit din andar na uli, kung di ka makasakay sorry, intay ka uli, so parang magiging constant yung dating at alis ng sasakyan... iwas yung mga nakabalandrang naguunahan sa pasahero at nagooverload para malaki kita ;)

[TholitzReloaded]

If you were to ask me, the solution is a very bloody revolution. We, the people, have to spill blood, to make sure the changes we make will be worth it. We have to permanently remove the corruption that is rotting the core of our government. We have to remove the laws that are only self-serving for those who hold-on to power by whatever means they can.

The past so-called peaceful revolutions have only showed that we are a country composed of cowards hiding behind the mask of morality or religion or whatever excuse was used.

The American experiment of democracy in the Philippines is a failure. It has to be swept away and a new system of stricter governance set in.

I agree with GH I remember Lee Kuan Yew saying that American Democracy does not work and is not realistic.. I believe him look at the Philippines now compared to Singapore.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyPpUsNkAE[/ame]

[JackFlash]

OK. NPA (CPP-NDF) was born because it WAS the alternative that time (capitalism vs communism thing of the 20th century). Now what is the alternative today? you think we have a leveled playing field for all of the Filipinos in light of the presence of vested self interests known as the oligarchs (ok dont get me started in listing the names, they are all flashed in these oligarch controlled media!).

How do you correct the existing status quo of it is corrupted to the core? How do you mount a "peaceful" revolution against these vested self interest groups known as the oligarchs if they have managed to propagate through guns, goons and gold? I doubt you will result to peaceful means.

REVOLUTION IS THE ANSWER!

Well, if you read the position of the CPP-NPA, theirs is the solution to all the problems you posted. So again, I ask if you think bloody revolution is the answer, go join a rebel movement. If you don't agree with the existing ones, go form your own. Enough banging on keyboards, go pick up a rifle. Otherwise, you're just another Kumander Armchair. Magaling sa analysis, pagdating sa galaw, nauuwi sa paralysis.

[JackFlash]

If you choose jackflash, you just get another EDSA-1. With 25 years of hindsight, we can see how well that worked out.

Yup. And if you choose GH, you just get another Hukbalahap which morphed into the CPP-NPA, which has been at it since the 1950's. We can also see how that's working out.

[uls]

OK. NPA (CPP-NDF) was born because it WAS the alternative that time (capitalism vs communism thing of the 20th century). Now what is the alternative today? you think we have a leveled playing field for all of the Filipinos in light of the presence of vested self interests known as the oligarchs (ok dont get me started in listing the names, they are all flashed in these oligarch controlled media!).

How do you correct the existing status quo of it is corrupted to the core? How do you mount a "peaceful" revolution against these vested self interest groups known as the oligarchs if they have managed to propagate through guns, goons and gold? I doubt you will result to peaceful means.

REVOLUTION IS THE ANSWER!

revolution won't happen

the oligarchs (which i call the power elite) are protected by a buffer -- the growing middle class

i posted this in another thread:

to the power elite, the middle class serves as a buffer (or shield) between them and the poor

the poor don't care if everything turns to chaos

their lives are already miserable in the first place

can't get any worse... they have nothing to lose if peace and order breaks down

the middle class, however, have LIVES to live

the middle class have better-paying jobs, businesses, houses/condos, cars, children in private school, credit cards, shopping, night life, travel...

pag nagkagulo, the middle class lifestyle will be completely disrupted

so it is in the best interest of the middle class that peace and order is maintained

the larger the middle class, the larger the number of people who demand peace and order

which is good for the power elite

if you have a minority of very rich people, and a majority of very poor people, with no buffer in between, chances are you'll get a mass uprising

coz the number of people who demand chaos is far larger than the number of people who demand peace and order

so to protect themselves from being torn to shreds by the nothing-to-lose masses, the power elite allow the existence of the middle class

[safeorigin]

hmmm... maybe USSR would be an exception since there was also a lot of middle class before the revolution which were very loyal to the Tsars(monarchs) that eventually fled westward

[ghosthunter]

Otherwise, you're just another Kumander Armchair. Magaling sa analysis, pagdating sa galaw, nauuwi sa paralysis.

Ironic, that Dr. Jose Rizal would be your national hero, someone who just wrote a few books, the 1900s equivalent of someone "banging away on a keyboard".