Manila after the war

[Big_daddy]

+1 kay GH...a bloody revolution will make us realize that without blood, our blood as Filipinos as sacrifice...then we can make that move forward.

I'm seriosly considering migrating right now...seeing how our country is going to the dogs...what the hell..it has gone to the dogs already.

Kinda reminds me of the American revolution...that act solidified and unified America...

[miLes]

the problem is there is no discipline, alot think that they can get away with anything. I daydream of a day that we are run by another country

i will vote for public flogging! tingnan lang natin kung di tumino mga tao dito

[safeorigin]

Or public stoning.

Follow the Code of Kalantiaw.

OT:
I remember watching that movie especially the ending

there's also the Monty Python and the Holy grail which is absolute genius!

puro kasi tayo ganito:
[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8[/ame]

:rofl:

[Monseratto]

the problem is there is no discipline, alot think that they can get away with anything. I daydream of a day that we are run by another country

i will vote for public flogging! tingnan lang natin kung di tumino mga tao dito

How much did the US pay Spain for the Philippines again?

[sgt_taga]

to those who are saying that only a bloody revolution will turn this country around, i ask you to please ask your parents/grandparents on how it was during war time. then, if you have a family, take a look at your children. then, ask yourselves again if you would indeed agree to what you were saying here.

[robot.sonic]

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Galing to sa matrix na movie. ang galing. swak na swak.

[ghosthunter]

to those who are saying that only a bloody revolution will turn this country around, i ask you to please ask your parents/grandparents on how it was during war time. then, if you have a family, take a look at your children. then, ask yourselves again if you would indeed agree to what you were saying here.

If we keep the way we are going,... how about seeing the future of your children in a country full of corruption, kidnapping, unsolved murders, anarchy & lawlessness.


Choose what future you want for your children & descendants to inherit.

[sgt_taga]

If we keep the way we are going,... how about seeing the future of your children in a country full of corruption, kidnapping, unsolved murders, anarchy & lawlessness.


Choose what future you want for your children & descendants to inherit.

brader gh, that is if you will be lucky to still have your children of even your life. war is a terrible idea. there must be a better - and definitely a less-violent - way to change the country. we all condemn the killings we hear from news. the violence, the abuse, the lawlessness and what have you. war is all of those.

[CVT]

How much did the US pay Spain for the Philippines again?

IIRC,- 20 million dollars....as one provision in the 1898 Treaty of Paris....

12.2K:lawn:

[ghosthunter]

brader gh, that is if you will be lucky to still have your children of even your life. war is a terrible idea. there must be a better - and definitely a less-violent - way to change the country. we all condemn the killings we hear from news. the violence, the abuse, the lawlessness and what have you. war is all of those.

The problem is for all that the "peaceful revolution" has given us, it has directly brought us to our situation we are in now.

And we are even less independent now than we were 50 years ago. Hundreds of thousands of Filipinos toil as OFWs abroad to they could send money home. Millions of Filipinos working for minimum wage, or even below it, that cannot even cover the basic costs of daily living.

[sgt_taga]

The problem is for all that the "peaceful revolution" has given us, it has directly brought us to our situation we are in now.

And we are even less independent now than we were 50 years ago. Hundreds of thousands of Filipinos toil as OFWs abroad to they could send money home. Millions of Filipinos working for minimum wage, or even below it, that cannot even cover the basic costs of daily living.

sa akin naman... those peaceful revolutions did what they were suppose to do - bring new hope to the people. siguro naman, we all felt good soon after getting rid of macoy and erap. the problem was, i think, we couldn't handle the new found freedom/hope. we either put a weak leader or a more corrupt manager to the highest post in the land. we had several chances of electing a more promising candidate but, as a people, we always manage to give way to some lesser-evil type of reasonings in deciding who to give the coveted post to. perhaps we can start there.

don't get me wrong here brader gh. i'm also into changing our country. i just don't want to see the country paying the ultimate price of war just to be united again. as i've said above, we had our moments of unity several times in recent memory without bloodshed. we just need to find an effective way to sustain it before it gets eaten out by the rotten elements of the system.

by the way, war can also result in more elevated levels of the current negativities in our society. yes, it is a "great equalizer" but given the current attitude of pinoys, the posibility of and not getting the unity-towards-change views are just equal.

[JackFlash]

sa akin naman... those peaceful revolutions did what they were suppose to do - bring new hope to the people. siguro naman, we all felt good soon after getting rid of macoy and erap. the problem was, i think, we couldn't handle the new found freedom/hope.

we either put a weak leader or a more corrupt manager to the highest post in the land. we had several chances of electing a more promising candidate but, as a people, we always manage to give way to some lesser-evil type of reasonings in deciding who to give the coveted post to. perhaps we can start there.

I agree. Besides a bloody revolution isn't exactly a guarantee for better government. Cambodia, China, Cuba and several banana republics in Lat Am and Africa had their share of bloody revolutions, yet where are they now? With the exception of China, hardly any better from where they 1st started. On 2nd thought, we only get to know about the rosy picture of China because its authoritarian govt censors what gets published as news.

If the Pinas were to have a bloody revolution, what guarantee do we have that its leaders won't be as corrupt or more despotic than the ones they seek to replace? If the senate hearings are any indication, I can almost imagine Trillanes strutting around like Hitler if by some stroke of luck, he succeeded with his coup.

[JackFlash]

+1 kay GH...a bloody revolution will make us realize that without blood, our blood as Filipinos as sacrifice...then we can make that move forward.

I'm seriosly considering migrating right now...seeing how our country is going to the dogs...what the hell..it has gone to the dogs already.

Kinda reminds me of the American revolution...that act solidified and unified America...

Dude, no offense meant, but this is a cop-out. To agree with a revolution while making plans to migrate?

[ghosthunter]

I agree. Besides a bloody revolution isn't exactly a guarantee for better government. Cambodia, China, Cuba and several banana republics in Lat Am and Africa had their share of bloody revolutions, yet where are they now? With the exception of China, hardly any better from where they 1st started. On 2nd thought, we only get to know about the rosy picture of China because its authoritarian govt censors what gets published as news.

If the Pinas were to have a bloody revolution, what guarantee do we have that its leaders won't be as corrupt or more despotic than the ones they seek to replace? If the senate hearings are any indication, I can almost imagine Trillanes strutting around like Hitler if by some stroke of luck, he succeeded with his coup.

Life has no guarantees. IF you want a guarantee, go buy yourself a TV set.

Given the system of government we have now, without major political revolution, the corruption we have now will just roll on and on.

As for China, it does have it's problems within it's system but given the huge size of the country it governs, it is doing a wonderful job of getting things done while keeping government corruption and crime in general in check.

As for us, we aren't even one percent of it's size yet we have more social, political and economic problems that we cant get rid off.

[safeorigin]

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-Thomas Jefferson

exactly why you need armed citizens

[JackFlash]

Life has no guarantees. IF you want a guarantee, go buy yourself a TV set.

Given the system of government we have now, without major political revolution, the corruption we have now will just roll on and on.

I already have a TV set, thank you. And I also have children whom I wouldn't want to see go through the ravages of war. I have my parents and grandparents to tell me what it's like. I have history books to tell me what it's like. And thanks to my TV set, I have the History channel to show me what wars and revolutions are like.

IMO, it's not the nature of the revolution - bloody or peaceful - that determines the upliftment of the country, but the nature of the people who come in to fill the gaps. From the leaders down to the citizenry.

Now if you want to experiment with a bloody revolution, why not sign up with the NPA, MNLF or MILF? Live up in the mountains for a while, then come back and tell us if you still think it's worth it.

[safeorigin]

I think what people here are saying is that we should be reminded of why people died for the "democracy" we have right now

obviously, we don't deserve it

[vito corleone]

I think what people here are saying is that we should be reminded of why people died for the "democracy" we have right now

obviously, we don't deserve it

and as i have quoted in one old thread here, ninoy could be wrong when he said that "the filipino is worth dying for"

[ghosthunter]

I think what people here are saying is that we should be reminded of why people died for the "democracy" we have right now

obviously, we don't deserve it

Exactly!

This is the point what "JackFlash" is missing with all attention and misplaced concern on humanity and children.

[Monseratto]

Gayahin natin mga North Koreans: disciplined, brainwashed, living in fear and going nowhere...