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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    Retrofitting this safety feature on a vehicle that doesn't have it is not a bad idea. However, it does take some skills and is not for everyone to do.
    Agree!



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    #22
    Quote Originally Posted by bonruiz View Post
    I read my Suzuki Ertiga's Owner's Manual and it instructs the user to push the clutch (while on neutral) before starting the engine. I have been doing that for four years and I think it's safe for the car since it's in the user's manual.

    Although not everyone at the casa does that.

    Thank you very much.
    many drivers who have had the unpleasant experience of kadjot, learn to step on the clutch before turning the key.
    the clutch is designed to be stepped on, naman.

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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    many drivers who have had the unpleasant experience of kadjot, learn to step on the clutch before turning the key.
    the clutch is designed to be stepped on, naman.
    What I was taught is to depress the brakes, put the gear in neutral then start the engine.

    Since it was just an assembled vehicle, it has no parking brake. Later on with experience, it became a habit even if I'm using a car with handbrake.

    My experience, or rather the experience of others, with some of them I have personally seen, not to rely on the handbrake. I've seen a couple of them, where the handbrake didn't work and so caused a lot of damage. One hit a store on the opposite side of the road, one hitting the walls of the garage, and others I couldn't remember.

    Then there's this guy who immediately depressed the clutch, without depressing the brakes first. The vehicle moved backwards, as it is in an inclined road, almost hitting the car behind 3 meters away.

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    #24
    well, i have my own opinion on folks who do not equip their backyard-assembled cars with a hand brake.
    in decades past, the absence of functioning handbrake, was a mainstay of assembled owner type and passenger jeepneys.
    "hijo, i-segunda mo lang, at parang naka-handbrake ka na."
    heh heh.
    Last edited by dr. d; December 8th, 2019 at 08:59 AM.

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    #25
    Quote Originally Posted by bonruiz View Post
    I read my Suzuki Ertiga's Owner's Manual and it instructs the user to push the clutch (while on neutral) before starting the engine. I have been doing that for four years and I think it's safe for the car since it's in the user's manual.

    Although not everyone at the casa does that.

    Thank you very much.
    That's true and less load on the flywheel.

    The MT Grand Starex could not be started unless you step on the clutch pedal....

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    #26
    It's a safety feature alright, and I'm sure they did extensive research to decide on choosing pressing clutch as a requisite start to machine, still my instinct tells me, the brake pedal is a better choice if we talk of safety

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    #27
    Then you won't be able to push start an MT vehicle.

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    #28
    the brake pedal is the better choice to step on, when starting an automatic.
    when starting a MT, stepping on the brake pedal will still result in a rude shaking up, if the trans was in gear when the starter is activated. this will not happen, if it were the clutch pedal that was stepped on.
    in either case, pulling on the handbrake before starting, is always a good move.
    and yes, vehicles without a functioning handbrake should not be given permission to use public roads.
    Last edited by dr. d; December 8th, 2019 at 09:08 PM.

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    #29
    Passing LTO driving exam does not warrant safety over the basic operating principle of the car because technology evolves rapidly.

    By reading the user manual before operating the machine, the manufacturer guarantees safety and functionality iff followed correctly. Ignorance and negligence by the operator is beyond the manufacturer's responsibility.

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    #30
    what i do is to look for the specific topic in the booklet, and limit my readings to that couple of pages only.
    some owners are not lucky. their used cars came without that owner's manual.

    there is value to listening intelligently to the driving school's lecture series.
    but it is not easy, because the pupils therein aren't yet versed with their cars and the road rules, and probably do not know what the lecturer is talking about, because they can't connect...
    Last edited by dr. d; December 13th, 2019 at 09:53 AM.

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