MRT Thread

[dr. d]

Yup, I do agree with you there.

But like in a project I worked on before, the client wanted to buy his own transformer. He found out the price, was fine with it. But even if he paid the asking price, he would still need to wait for the factory to complete fabrication for 2 months, then shipping, customs clearing. The timetable we got then (this was around 2010) was four to six months to have it on site.

No idea specifically about rectifiers but I would assume we are looking at similar scenarios because I doubt it is just parts of the whole that need to be replaced, but it needs the whole thing to be replaced because of fire then water damage.

my point is,
"it can be rushed, without sacrificing quality, if we put our efforts to it."
hey! we're a country!

the saudis re-built their refinery's capability (daw) in 2 weeks (daw).

[uls]

but the Saudis can tell contractors "Will pay any amount just get it fixed"

PH doesn't have Saudi Arabia's financial power


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btw, not refinery

it's a crude processing facility

[dr. d]

well, if we always have to look for the cheapest...
let's pay a bit more, for faster results.
as i said, "don't our government consider the price of commuter hardship?"

[17Sphynx17]

well, if we always have to look for the cheapest...
let's pay a bit more, for faster results.
as i said, "don't our government consider the price of commuter hardship?"

My questions is actually, in that 9 months timetable, are they also required to Bid it Out per procurement rules, even given the circumstances? Given that they are part owned by the government?

EDIT: You also have to take into consideration that the factories that may be producing these types of equipment have/might already have scheduling commitments per contracts they have with other companies that they committed deliveries to at X date. So it isn't something that you simply throw money at.

The 6months timetable I mentioned for the transformer, assumes max 2 months in custom's clearing. installation would have take at most 2 weeks on site. It was a 400V 1000KVA pad mounted transformer in that project site here in the Philippines. Final decision was to simply just rent from Meralco their "equivalent".

[uls]

not cheapest

di naman yata bidding yan

it's ordering parts from a supplier abroad

the supplier sends a quotation stating price and lead time

we send a purchase order

even if we said "hey we're willing to pay double just cut down the lead time"

supplier probably replies "we'll see what we can do"

[dr. d]

My questions is actually, in that 9 months timetable, are they also required to Bid it Out per procurement rules, even given the circumstances? Given that they are part owned by the government?

in my opinion, this is one case that can definitely benefit from "emergency powers".
so who's betting that it will be granted?

[uls]

kung bidding yan lalo matagal

[dr. d]

not cheapest

di naman yata bidding yan

it's ordering parts from a supplier abroad

the supplier sends a quotation stating price and lead time

we send a purchase order

even if we said "hey we're willing to pay double just cut down the lead time"

supplier probably replies "we'll see what we can do"

from what i understand, "we'll see what we can do" does result in faster delivery at times.
so why not let's do it?

[dr. d]

in an old popular sci fi series,
the chief engineer always doubled his estimated downtime.
that way, he can deliver it in "half the time" and be labeled the "miracle worker".
OT.

[uls]

i don't think those people managing spare parts sa LRT are forward looking

our govt is reactive not proactive

[17Sphynx17]

in an old popular sci fi series,
the chief engineer always doubled his estimated downtime.
that way, he can deliver it in "half the time" and be labeled the "miracle worker".
OT.

Well, though I am not an electrical engineer. Rectifier is simply to convert AC Supply to DC Supply.

I wonder if they can simply install in shorter time frame a solar offgrid system with batteries (NiMH, Lead Acid or Li-ion) to get the direct DC output for the power/circuitry for the trains. Then just have an AC system serve as additional input to the batteries to keep the float level maintained.

I doubt the rectifiers were used to run the actual station, they were mainly for the trains.

[dr. d]

i don't think those people managing spare parts sa LRT are forward looking

our govt is reactive not proactive

i agree.

i am not aware of any spare parts depot in our country.
pano ka naman magkakaron ng spare parts depot, when ang rami raming iba-ibang klaseng sasakyan...? dapat kasi, isang klase lang... including lrt and mrt.
pag nasira sasakyan... tengga hanggang i-declare as junk. hirap naman i-benta habang salvage-able pa, as there will be...
sayang rin parking space around the government office...
rant.

[17Sphynx17]

i agree.

i am not aware of any spare parts depot in our country.
pano ka naman magkakaron ng spare parts depot, when ang rami raming iba-ibang klaseng sasakyan...? dapat kasi, isang klase lang... including lrt and mrt.
pag nasira sasakyan... tengga hanggang i-declare as junk. hirap naman i-benta habang salvage-able pa, as there will be...
sayang rin parking space around the government office...
rant.

Hindi ba kaya naman ilagay na lang ng maintenance provider na ang spare parts inventory is maximum ito (provided with an item breakdown) given the requirements of the whole system.

Tapos, dapat may clause lang sila sa contract na should their contract not be renewed, the other party (client) guarantees to purchase their spare parts as required by the system to ensure smooth transition to the new service provider.

Hindi ba pwede ganun?

[Flipo]

The govt. doesn't have competent maintenance group like what happened to NAPOCOR, etc., they don't have maintenance program and were not able to forecast the parts/materials that are most likely to fail as recommended by the manufacturer.

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[dr. d]

it is a huge company expense to put up and maintain a good, effective maintenance and pms system.
it also requires almost inhuman honesty from the personnel.

[cast_no_shadow]

Ang LRT 1 ba private na ang may ari?

I heard an interview yesterday the Government doesn’t want to repeat the mistake of privatizing LRT 2 like what they did with LRT 1.

Talo daw ang gobyerno.




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[chronicle]

Ang LRT 1 ba private na ang may ari?

I heard an interview yesterday the Government doesn’t want to repeat the mistake of privatizing LRT 2 like what they did with LRT 1.

Talo daw ang gobyerno.




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Yep. Ayala subsidiary ang lrt1.

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[Flipo]

It happened to NAPOCOR, the govt. gumagastos but they are not producing power, our company contract, rehabilitate, operate transfer same gastos, but producing power. We witnessed gross corruptions e.g., 30% price padding on parts/materials, pilferage of diesel fuel for their gas turbines and worse adulterating it with water that cause prematue failure of turbine parts. Bosses hijacked the training package intended for maint engineer personnel for their own personal lamierda



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[cast_no_shadow]

Pero sa kaso ni LRT 1, siya ang pinaka matanda na line vs LRT / MRT 3

Bihira ang breakdowns. To think mas aged ang trains/facilities doon.

Mas okay mag maintain kung privatized?


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[dr. d]

Ang LRT 1 ba private na ang may ari?

I heard an interview yesterday the Government doesn’t want to repeat the mistake of privatizing LRT 2 like what they did with LRT 1.

Talo daw ang gobyerno.




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but lrt-1 appears to be the least problematic of the three, even as it is also the oldest.
being private, maintenance decisions are easier.
only two questions have to be asked:
1. will we make money on it?
2. if yes, how many do you want?