Bf Homes Parañaque

[BOSERO]

I personally don't agree with the opening of the gates to the public. If you think about it, residents of a village have to buy stickers to get into their own villages. Why do some people think that non-residents should not pay for non-resident stickers and just be allowed to pass through (for free) by opening the gates. Are they crazy? Residents pay but non-residents can come and go for free?

And if you really think about it, a village is "open" to the public. The public just needs to pay for the non-resident stickers. They are not absolutely banned from entering or passing thru. They just need to pay for the passing thru privilage.

Damn those people responsible for opening those gates! They are obviously not using their heads. Stupid! Dumb! May they be stuck in terrible traffic with a very full bladder and an over flowing colon everyday for the rest of their lives!

[scarab]

...it's actually becoming more of a homeowners vs. businessowners thing.

[BOSERO]

I don't see why having to pay for a non-resident sticker or stopping to leave your license to get to a shop or restaurant in BF is such a concern for business owners (if this is what you mean). People not entering villages do this all the time. They pay to park at the mall to get to a shop or restaurant in the mall. People stop to have their vehicles checked and get parking tickets at the mall to get to shops and restaurants at the mall. Paying/stopping to enter malls does not seem to hinder customers from coming. Why should paying for a sticker or leaving your license (if you don't want to pay) be any different? Busineses in BF already have a lot of customers from the residents alone, and they already bring in outsiders who leave their license or buy stickers.

Point is residents pay for the right to get into their own villages. Why give this right away for free to everyone else who does not even live in the village. I agree that everyone should be able to pass through, but at a price. Those not wiling to pay or leave their license are free to always find another way around private property. Just like if someone is not willing to pay the parking fee, they are free to park down the road and walk to the mall. Another example is the skyway or epass. Those not willing to pay the price are not forced to pass the skyway or buy epass units. They can always pass the regular highway and fall in line the cash lane. We have choices.

[bougartt]

The way i see it the bussineses in BF will LOSE CUSTOMERS if they open these gates to the public. HASSLE na mag park sa BF even before they opened those gates. So what more now that these gates will be opened.

TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT will not fix the problem.
ROAD WIDENNIG?? ---> ARE YOU GONNA KICK US OUT OF OUR HOUSES (MAIN ROAD)just for these cheap asses to pass our gates and free the traffic??. HELL NO.

[scarab]

...with business owners, it's not about the overpriced sticker thing they're ranting about. it's the extra "fees" they are being charged for the vehicles that comes in for their supplies and etc.

...honestly, i dont think having a resto inside BF is profitable. dami nang nagsara dahil nalugi. people wana eat out where there's a mall they can stroll around after eating.

[need4speed]

we used to live in BF on one of the main roads...

i personally do not like the lack of security now... and even then (when it was still supposedly closed). which is why we moved out. but now that its open, it's only a matter of time before some incident occurs... (i.e. carnap, theft, etc.)

[BOSERO]

we used to live in BF on one of the main roads...

i personally do not like the lack of security now... and even then (when it was still supposedly closed). which is why we moved out. but now that its open, it's only a matter of time before some incident occurs... (i.e. carnap, theft, etc.)

Me and my family are about to move to our newly acquried house in BF. Fortunately is not on the main road. But I agree with the above post and am very worried about security. Looks like I will need to buy a shotgun! Hahahaha!

[kuyapete]

here's my two cents worth; ok sa akin ang buksan ang gates ng bf, why? first of all, i dont think security is the issue here, if you take a close look at it, only the house along aguirre (na mostly commercial na) and along elizalde are affected, all other houses have their own phase/sectore security, i would say 95% of the homeowners will not be affected by this "security" issue. Second, if you look at the bigger picture, the mayor is only doing this to help ease the trafic along sucat road by creating a by-pass through aguirre which i dont think is wrong. Third, the trafic sir bougarrt mentioned was not caused by opening the gates, it was caused by the pres. celso reyes who deliberately turned off the trafic lights and did not post trafic inforcers along critical intersections (talk about being childish) para gumanti, and pls note, the trafic went to normal the following day with the posting of red shirted enforcers so i conclude opening the gates did not affect trafic conditions. however, like i posted in another thread, those who wish to avail of the "short cut" should pay a price for doing so by purchasing a sticker from UBFHAI (which they can use for road maintenance) na may "peak hr use" ex. 6am-9am, 5pm-7pm, any hr before or after that iwan ka ng lisencya.
my point is, lahat pwedeng pagusapan at may paraan, ang problema, nagiging sagabal sa mga usapan ang mga pride ng mga people involved. pinakainis ko talaga yung pinatay ung trafic lights and then blame the mayor for the trafic. I dont think that was fair.

[niky]

Agreed on most things... but not that it won't affect those who are NOT on the main road. Many BF Homeowners feel much safer behind multiple layers of security. As said previously, even that amount of security is not foolproof (especially if the person out to get you is another homeowner... ), but it counts for something. How can a single security guard at a gate paid for by local residents stop people climbing over fences at closed-off junctions or off the main road?

The ordnance may be for the greater good (I'm personally thankful), but the rights of homeowners must be respected. If that means I have to submit to a security search at the gates and that I have to pay a 20 or 25 peso toll fee to use BF as an alternate route, so be it. Tama nga... medyo childish yung fight ng association at mayor...

[BOSERO]

KuyaPete,
I agree with all you said but I think what you said about opening the gates but charging for stickers is a contridiction. First of all, when you open the gates to the public why charge them for stickers? What do you mean by this? As it is, without opening the gates, outsiders can get stickers that will enable them to pass through (non-resident stickers). I like the idea of still keeping the village a private village and people who want to pass through can purchase non-resident stickers. In other words, status quo. We both have the same views on issueing stickers for people to be able to pass thru. People who refuse to pay for the stickers can and should go around.

[scarab]

...wala pa rin tubig!!!

[morrissey_05]

my two cents: kung sa akin lang, open the roads to decongest traffic ala friendship route.

but if the residents won't allow that, ok lang. they live there eh. pero sana babaan naman nila yung bayad sa sticker. P750!! grabe mahal. sabi nila for repair of the roads daw kasi dinadaan ng mga trucks. pero yung ibang nakatira dyan sabi sa akin wala naman silang nakikitang road repair ever. so ano yun? san napupunta yung pera?

sana pagusapan na lang ng president at residents yan. problema pride at pansariling interes lang ang pinapairal. yung sinabng inalis yung traffic light tapos blame the mayor, grabe naman yun kung totoo nga.

may nagsabi sa akin na yung celso reyes, di naman daw nakatira yan sa BF. how true?

[pissword]

lagyan ng flyover sa taas ng BF homes nalang hehee joke lang... ang hirap ng issue

[bougartt]

lagyan ng flyover sa taas ng BF homes nalang hehee

:bwahaha:

[creepy]

I am not too familiar with the actual situation in BF but here's something I read (Tony Lopez, Manila Times):

Those of you currently managing or planning to manage a village association will do well to look into the case of the United BF Homeowners Association Inc. (UBFHAI).

It seems a tyranny has settled itself inside BF Homes, Asia’s largest subdivision. The name of the tyrant is a certain Celso Reyes, the president of the UBFHAI in 1991, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and at present.

Under his presidency, no service or delivery vehicle could enter the sprawling BF subdivision without paying an exorbitant fee. Even if you are a homeowner and you don’t have the UBFHAI sticker, the subdivision guards won’t allow you to go to your own home. That’s one of the worst violations of human rights and property rights you can imagine. On holidays, a homeowner cannot accept deliveries of say construction materials, furniture and supplies because UBFHAI doesn’t work on holidays. That’s how intrusive and impertinent the association has become to the lives of BF Homes residents. The regional trial court and the Housing and Urban Use Regulatory Board have repeatedly told UBFHAI to stop collecting such fees at the gate.

In late August, BF residents experienced the worst traffic inside their subdivision. The mayors of two cities, Parañaque and Las Piñas, backed by two old ordinances, decided to open BF Homes’ main streets of Aguirre, Elizalde and Concha Cruz (in Las Piñas side) to ease traffic in Sucat and Alabang highways. BF Homes straddles these two main roads. Coming from Alabang, the best and fastest route to Sucat and vice versa is by through BF Homes. To do that, a motorist must pay fee to UBFHAI.

The association’s guards are not at all courteous; they are haughty. They bother to salute residents. Yet during December, they go around panhandling.

What does Celso Reyes do in response to the opening of the main streets? He disabled the traffic lights inside BF Homes. And he set up rear guard checkpoints a few meters away from the main gates at Elizalde, Aguirre and Concha Cruz. You could enter the main gates but cannot enter the inner portions of the subdivision. Naturally, traffic built up from gate to gate, from city to city. It was Celso Reyes’ naked display of power.

UBFHAI reports only P25.5 million revenues but flyers distributed by subdivision residents claim the association could be earning as much as P120 million a year.

Lending credence to this theory, according to flyers distributed inside BF last week is an investigative report by concerned BF homeowners Oskar Salud on May 14, 2000, that the Southville International School alone paid P374,000 as "Community Development Fund" to the UBFHAI in the 52-day period from April 24 to June 15, 1999.

How many schools are there in BF Homes, and how many 52-day periods in a year? And what about the around 100 water-delivery trucks paying P18,000 each per year? The eight-wheeler fuel tankers paying P6,000 each entry? The other delivery vehicles paying entry fees? The construction bonds paid by BF homeowners repairing their homes-bonds ranging from P10,000 to P200,000 which are almost never refunded because UBFHAI always manages to discover a "violation?"

And the 40,000 nonresident stickers sold at P750 each, giving UBFHAI P30 million in revenue—and the BF homeowners 40,000 more vehicles to add to their traffic congestion problem without being challenged by village guards.

[bogart]

Last weekend, I noticed the "now-you-see-them, now-you-dont" security guards of BF.

Sana gawan nila ng parang "color-coding system" yung entrance & security.

6AM - 8PM = Las Pinas And Paranaque Cities will man the gates, provide security along the open routes and allow non- residents to pass through.

8PM - 6AM = UBFHAI will take-over the gates & security and allow entry to vehicles with stickers or those who will leave their IDs.

[kuyapete]

KuyaPete,
I agree with all you said but I think what you said about opening the gates but charging for stickers is a contridiction. First of all, when you open the gates to the public why charge them for stickers? What do you mean by this? As it is, without opening the gates, outsiders can get stickers that will enable them to pass through (non-resident stickers). I like the idea of still keeping the village a private village and people who want to pass through can purchase non-resident stickers. In other words, status quo. We both have the same views on issueing stickers for people to be able to pass thru. People who refuse to pay for the stickers can and should go around.

tama ka, I stand corrected. I was just trying to recall a televised interview of Bernabe sa IBC13 a week before he opened the gates, may sinabi kasi siya to that effect e. Anyway, di ko rin gusto itong pamamalakad ni celso reyes dati pa as evidenced by the article above. tinawagan ko mismo ung security office ng bf nung day na un, di makasagot sakin ung kausap ko. "no comment" daw sila.

[BOSERO]

I agree with some points (but with some comments) that Celso Reyes is making such as:

1) Keep the gates closed to the public. Public can pass thru as long as they pay for the stickers.

2) BF can charge whatever price they want for stickers. This is their prerogative. People can choose not to buy these stickers. Problem is that the money made from sticker sales is not declared or used properly for the benefit of BF homeownes.

3) If this money made by BF association was used to solve the water problem, I am sure it will be solved. That's 30M a year (assume only 5 years of collection, thats 150M)! I am sure that BF can afford to solve the water problem.

4) I agree that BF charges and has protocols for BF deliveries. But I hate the fact that the people in charge of this process take a break at 11am and are back by 1pm on regular days. This means that the "whole world" stops while they are having lunch. Poor delivery guys. They cannot do their work and have to wait for these people. Delivery schedules are messed up. This is a good rule but implemented in the most mindless way I have ever seen. Imagine if a mall closed down for lunch! Some people are really down right plain stupid (C.R.)! Service is about serving the customers all the time (not only when it is convenient). BF Association is there to make homeowners lives easier, not harder!

5) I agree that BF has to have security. But having layers and layers of it is too much. BF is making 30M from stickers alone. I think this is enough to pay for one kick ass secutiry agency that can take care of the whole village. Why does BF have those little associations pa with their own security, rules, fees, etc. etc.? This only adds extra costs and processes for the Homeowners. Residents have to get 2 stickers. One of main gate. One for their little association. Residents have to get 2 permits for everything (building, delivery, renovation, etc. etc. etc.). One from main association. One from smaller association. 2 association dues too. I think having an association is vital. But having 2 associations is redundant.

[BOSERO]

Just last weekend. Aguire Cor. Elizalde BF Homes. Around 4pm.

I saw a civilian jump out from a vehicle and approach a delivery van in BF. I do not know what the problem was of who was at fault but THERE WAS a problem. The problem was hopefully big enough to justify the actions of the civilian. The civilian was pointing a gun at the delivery van driver and was shouting at him. I could not really hear what it was all about because I was just in the car and the car was moving away from the scene as the traffic was moving too. The civilian was a young (30yrs old plus) guy. He kept on pulling out his gun and putting it back in his clutch bag.

I don't think that the civilian should have pulled out a gun. Much more point it at the driver. It was just a traffic or road problem that was not life threatening so I don't think the gun was called for.

I don't know if this traffic problem was caused by the opening of the gates. I don't know if the civilian was hot headed because of the traffic in the village.

All I know is that there is traffic in the village and that there are hot headed people with guns in the village.

Maybe I should buy a gun too. Hahahaha!

[mrpink]

well .. the civilian might not be from the village as well ..