50km/h speed limit on EDSA, C5, Commonwealth

[jojopad]

To be implemented by next year:

Currently, the speed limit set along the main stretch of EDSA is a maximum of 60km/h. In the following weeks, that may soon be reduced to only 50 km/h as the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) has announced on Wednesday.

https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...monwealth.html

And for those from Quezon City, much lower speed limits:

As a safety measure, the speed limit for all types of vehicles using city roads, except for selected thoroughfares, is set at 30 kilometers per hour. For barangay roads, the limit is 20 kph.

With the exception of Commonwealth Avenue where vehicles can run at 60 kph, cars and motorcycles are limited to 50 kph on Santolan Road, Aurora Boulevard, Kamuning Road, Batasan Road, Regalado and Quirino Highways, E. Rodriguez Sr. Avenue, Quezon Avenue, West Avenue and Mindanao Avenue.

Trucks, buses and tricycles can run only up to 30 kph on all city roads, except for Commonwealth Avenue where the speed limit for such vehicles is set at 50 kph.

New Quezon City ordinance sets speed limits | Inquirer News

[E@tpc]

This is stupid if ever they decide to implement it. The problem isn't the speed.. it's the driving discipline of filipinos. Germany has the safest safety road record in the world and yet they also have the highest road speeds implemented worldwide too.

[makinao]

This is stupid if ever they decide to implement it. The problem isn't the speed.. it's the driving discipline of filipinos. Germany has the safest safety road record in the world and yet they also have the highest road speeds implemented worldwide too.

"The report stresses though that: "the relationship between speed and road accidents has been studied extensively and is very clear: the higher the speed, the greater the probability of a crash and the severity of the crashes.""

"In their 2008 report, the ETSC were firm and clear in their overall conclusion: empirical evidence indicates that all instances' of introduced speed limits on German motorways have caused very large casualty reductions."

Do speed limits reduce the number of road deaths? | News | theguardian.com

[Verbl Kint]

The MMDA is essentially giving Metro Manila the Davao City treatment, where the main thoroughfares have a speed limit of 30-40 kph.

Truth be told, this ordinance is not based on any sort of scientific study at all. For instance,

• How many of these traffic accidents in Metro Manila are due to overspeeding?
• At what speed would they deem it "safe" for motorists, both on cars and motorbikes, on a 2 lane vs a 4 lane highway?
• At what speed do we get the right mix of safety and efficiency?
• What about the other causes of accidents, like faulty brakes, DUI, counterflowing?

I strongly believe that this 50 kph figure is an arbitrary one. This ordinance is basically to please and pander Duterte, in the guise of "best practice sharing".

[jojopad]

The MMDA is essentially giving Metro Manila the Davao City treatment, where the main thoroughfares have a speed limit of 30-40 kph.

Truth be told, this ordinance is not based on any sort of scientific study at all. For instance,

• How many of these traffic accidents in Metro Manila are due to overspeeding?
• At what speed would they deem it "safe" for motorists, both on cars and motorbikes, on a 2 lane vs a 4 lane highway?
• At what speed do we get the right mix of safety and efficiency?
• What about the other causes of accidents, like faulty brakes, DUI, counterflowing?

I strongly believe that this 50 kph figure is an arbitrary one. This ordinance is basically to please and pander Duterte, in the guise of "best practice sharing".

I doubt if there was a thorough scientific study done by the local authorities that served as a basis for the speed limits. I highly suspect that such policy was driven more by perception and personal opinions rather than through objective analysis. But then again, there is validity that imposing speed limits can reduce fatal accidents, as pointed out by a previous post based on academic studies in first world countries.

Perhaps why not give this policy a chance? If we see that the accidents go down significantly, say 10%, then perhaps the policy is effective? Imposing such policy could potentially instill more discipline to those speeding buses/trucks/jeepneys. The speed limit policy is a pragmatic and quickie solution for the government's part, that's for sure.

I'm pretty sure these obtrusive speed limits will cause a lot of inconvenience among motorists, particularly those who are responsible drivers who know how to drive safely at high speed. But the untrained, undisciplined drivers outnumber the responsible drivers, hence the easiest solution is to just impose speed limits. A better but more complex solution is to come up with stricter requirements for acquiring a driver's license, make it mandatory that everyone go through a training on defensive/responsible driving.

[Verbl Kint]

I agree 110% that there should be speed limits.

My point is that what makes the current 60 kph speed limit now unsafe all of a sudden as compared to the proposed 50 kph?

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[jojopad]

I agree 110% that there should be speed limits.

My point is that what makes the current 60 kph speed limit now unsafe all of a sudden as compared to the proposed 50 kph?

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I have the same big question mark. The authorities likely just came up with an arbitrary number, i.e. 50 is lower than 60 therefore much safer. I drive daily along Commonwealth ave and even with the 60kph speed limit, plenty of buses, trucks and motorcycles go beyond 70 kph. Perhaps by setting the speed limit to 50, that will somehow make motorists drive below 70kph.

[BratPAQ]

I agree 110% that there should be speed limits.

My point is that what makes the current 60 kph speed limit now unsafe all of a sudden as compared to the proposed 50 kph?

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Plus how many cars really have 50 on their odometer? It's 40 line then next is the 60 line. How would you know you are over 50? Tanchahan na lang ng imaginary line on your odometer between 40 and 60.

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[E@tpc]

I think one of the best options would be to install electronic limiters on all public vehicles and also for private vehicles with past multiple violations.

[jojopad]

Plus how many cars really have 50 on their odometer? It's 40 line then next is the 60 line. How would you know you are over 50? Tanchahan na lang ng imaginary line on your odometer between 40 and 60.

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Worse, plenty of PUVs don't even have a working odometer, or none at all.

[dr. d]

Worse, plenty of PUVs don't even have a working odometer, or none at all.

perhaps it is time they be accosted and penalized.
sa totoo lang, dapat ay istrikto ang LTO sa annual vehicle evaluation. non-regulation vehicle lights and odometers and parking brakes. para naman mabawasan ang sasakyan sa daan. legally!

[baludoy]

^ tama. Since the gov't plans to phase out jeepneys anyway, The lto Might as well start taking on the role as the gate keeper of sorts and restrict those puv rolling caskets off of our roads. They have the reason and now the admin backing to do so anyway

when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you

[CVT]

I think one of the best options would be to install electronic limiters on all public vehicles and also for private vehicles with past multiple violations.

That should be more like it as it should be factory calibrated, rather than the vehicle's speedometer which may be inaccurate because of modifications and replacement of parts....

[dr. d]

tongue in cheek.
"outsiders will be amused, when they hear that we will require speed limiters on public roads, where the average speed is 15 km/hr."

[makinao]

Plus how many cars really have 50 on their odometer? It's 40 line then next is the 60 line. How would you know you are over 50? Tanchahan na lang ng imaginary line on your odometer between 40 and 60.

1) Odometers measure distance travelled. SPEEDOMETERS measure speed.

2) AFAIK, all current car speedometers have indices every 10kph, starting at 10kph. This includes all the cars I've driven since 1976.

[makinao]

This is the law, unless it is repealed, or amended to include new classifications such as expressways. Whether or not it is implemented or people follow it is another issue. By the way, these speeds are actually lower than those QC and MMDA are tying to implement, which goes against section 36.


"REPUBLIC ACT NO. 4136
AN ACT TO COMPILE THE LAWS RELATIVE TO LAND TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC RULES, TO CREATE A LAND TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
CHAPTER IV
Traffic Rules
ARTICLE I
Speed Limit and Keeping to the Right

SECTION 35. Restriction as to Speed. –
(a) Any person driving a motor vehicle on a highway shall drive the same at a careful and prudent speed, not greater nor less than is reasonable and proper, having due regard for the traffic, the width of the highway, and of any other condition then and there existing; and no person shall drive any motor vehicle upon a highway at such a speed as to endanger the life, limb and property of any person, nor at a speed greater than will permit him to bring the vehicle to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead.
(b) Subject to the provisions of the preceding paragraph, the rate of speed of any motor vehicle shall not exceed the following:

MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SPEEDS

Passengers Cars / Motor trucks and Motorcycle and buses
1. On open country roads, with no “blinds corners” not closely bordered by habitations. 80 kph for passenger cars / 50 kph for Motor trucks, motorcycles and buses.
2. On “through streets” or boulevards, clear of traffic, with no ” blind corners,” when so designated. 40 kph for passenger cars / 30 kph for Motor trucks, motorcycles and buses.
3. On city and municipal streets, with light traffic, when not designated “through streets.” 30 kph for passenger cars / 30 kph for Motor trucks, motorcycles and buses.
4. Through crowded streets, approaching intersections at “blind corners,” passing school zones, passing other vehicles which are stationary 20 kph for passenger cars / 20 kph for Motor trucks, motorcycles and buses.

(c) The rates of speed hereinabove prescribed shall not apply to the following:
(1) A physician or his driver when the former responds to emergency calls;
(2) The driver of a hospital ambulance on the way to and from the place of accident or other emergency;
(3) Any driver bringing a wounded or sick person for emergency treatment to a hospital, clinic, or any other similar place;
(4) The driver of a motor vehicle belonging to the Armed Forces while in use for official purposes in times of riot, insurrection or invasion;
(5) The driver of a vehicle, when he or his passengers are in pursuit of a criminal;
(6) A law-enforcement officer who is trying to overtake a violator of traffic laws; and
(7) The driver officially operating a motor vehicle of any fire department, provided that exemption shall not be construed to allow unless or unnecessary fast driving of drivers afore-mentioned.

SECTION 36. Speed Limits Uniform Throughout the Philippines. – No provincial, city or municipal authority shall enact or enforce any ordinance or resolution specifying maximum allowable speeds other than those provided in this Act."

[kinyo]

yan yata yung sinasabing "the law is just a suggestion"?

[KingoftheNorth]

Idiotic proposition.

They can't even apprehend motorcycle drivers in Commonwealth going beyond 60 kph even if the violators are right in front of traffic enforcers. Same with bus drivers.

When will the AAP speak up?!?

[makinao]

Idiotic proposition. They can't even apprehend motorcycle drivers in Commonwealth going beyond 60 kph even if the violators are right in front of traffic enforcers. Same with bus drivers. When will the AAP speak up?!?

The AAP has been speaking up for road safety via 1) enforcement, 2) education, 3) engineering, and 4) legislation, FOR DECADES. If you're a member and don't know this, its time you get to know more about the organization.

Also, policy and enforcement are two different things. This is why they are given to separate branches of the current government.

[KingoftheNorth]

The AAP has been speaking up for road safety via 1) enforcement, 2) education, 3) engineering, and 4) legislation, FOR DECADES. If you're a member and don't know this, its time you get to know more about the organization.

Also, policy and enforcement are two different things. This is why they are given to separate branches of the current government.

No, I don't claim to be a member and maybe AAP is the wrong group to be lobbying about rights of private motorists.

I just wonder why, ff they do speak for topics like road safety, traffic education, engineering, enforcement and legislation, aren't they more visible or more vocal especially when it comes to arbitrary and capricious traffic rules like the ones being proposed?

Yes, policy and enforcement are different things...which is why private motorists like us experience hell on the streets everyday.