Is Toyota still forcing you to do 5,000km PMS?

[blacksun25]

there's no way for honda to know either. but it's still 10k for honda

re: Honda. perhaps they make profit from sources other than PMS. You have to consider the total cost of ownership in the long run. How are Honda's spare parts prices compare to Toyota's? How about the initial acquisition cost? Sino ba mas mura Honda o Toyota given na apples to apples ang unit na kino-compare?

Look at Mazda, they are offering free PMS. So where do you think Mazda gets resources/ funding to offer such? Again these are business decisions that these companies have to make. You, being the buyer, have the power to choose whether to patronize or not.

[iceblueyes]

there's no way for honda to know either. but it's still 10k for honda

Please, compare the sheer amount of volume of Toyota to Honda.
as of the latest sales report I bothered to google its 6x.

6x the chances for:
people to actually drive it in severe conditions while claiming normal
people to suffer breakage/wear & tear/whatever from said driving
people to complain/blog/facebook about it then try claim warranty

If you like Honda's PMS interval so much go get one. I don't see you complaining about Hyundai's and theirs is actually more ridiculous

[Ciz]

There is no way for Toyota to know if you are driving in normal or severe conditions.

Agree kaya 5k nalang golden rule nila for pms :D



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[JohnM]

Hi Niky! Are the 1NZ and 2NZ prone to this too?

[DacoTyan]

My Fortuner service manual states service interval of THREE MONTHS/5000 km.

[Vodka]

Ts has a point. Kung uunawain si ts maiintindihan rin since regular driving sa iba lugi nga naman sa 5k pms. I think ginawa nalang ng toyota golden rule of every 5k pms dahil hindi lahat ay nagbabasa ng manual or marunong sa kotse parang sinasabi ni ts na dapat may choice tayo mamili kung 5k or 10k pms tayo depedns on the driving condition


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exactly!

[brainmafia_310]

Hotdog please.

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[dr. d]

wine! and cheese on sky flakes!

[brainmafia_310]

Another hotdog bites the dust.

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[artsky]

Is Toyota still forcing you to do 5,000km PMS?

I don't feel forced. I feel good after taking my car to regular maintenance.

[blacksun25]

TS. I get your point. Thing is, Toyota, like any other business follows a business model. Part of the reason why they can offer competitive pricing sa mga cars nila is because they make up for it in other areas like services/ parts/ consumables sales.

Bottomline, kaw pa din mag de decide kung bibili ka o hindi, kung magpapa service ka o hindi.

If you don't agree to their terms then don't buy. As simple as that. I, for one, don't want to spend several hours (sometimes a whole day) and pay a premium to have PMS done in the casa so I CHOSE not to. It was purely my decision and I accepted that my car's warranty is void.

You may say that a lot of people are willing victims but I guess they just find the 5K PMS fair and just as they are willing to pay for it to keep their warranty intact.

[greatauror28]

Mga tsikoteers, alam nyo ba na sa Toyota Philippines lang ganyan?

Sa ibang bansa, like dito sa Canada, kahit ibang brand okay lang ikaw na lang mag change-oil, as long as you keep the receipt of the things you used (i.e. oil, filter, etc.) para may record ka when you did the oil change. Wala lang akong lugar and hindi ako mechanically-inclined sa makina ng cars kaya hindi ko pa magawa ng ako lang.

OA ang mga nagsasabi na severe driving conditions ang Pinas, eh traffic at init lang naman kalaban nyo jan. Compared dito freezing talaga and may road salt ka pang kalaban tapos nagto-tow pa ng fifth wheel, in addition to the traffic and init kapag summer/spring.

So in the end, yes business model yan ng TOYOTA PH lang, hindi Toyota worldwide. May nagsabi nga saken na yan ang pinakamalaking kita ng toyota - yang maintenance service nila.

Since nasa pinas kayo at wala kayong magagawa kundi sumunod sa 5K rule nila, magpa service na lang at baka magka aberya mahirap na.

Chill out guys!

[jmpet626]

Sa toyota balintawak pwede every 10,000kms amg imterval pag fully synth oil nilagay mo. Tried this with our Rav4 and Gasoline Fort.

[blacksun25]

Sa ibang bansa, like dito sa Canada, kahit ibang brand okay lang ikaw na lang mag change-oil, as long as you keep the receipt of the things you used (i.e. oil, filter, etc.) para may record ka when you did the oil change.

really? pano kaya nila nalalaman na yung oil eh pasok sa requirements nung car at kung nag change oil talaga yung owner? hehehe

if this business model eh i-adopt dito sa pinas, tingin ko marami magsasarang car dealerships. hehehe.

[Vodka]

Mga tsikoteers, alam nyo ba na sa Toyota Philippines lang ganyan?

Sa ibang bansa, like dito sa Canada, kahit ibang brand okay lang ikaw na lang mag change-oil, as long as you keep the receipt of the things you used (i.e. oil, filter, etc.) para may record ka when you did the oil change. Wala lang akong lugar and hindi ako mechanically-inclined sa makina ng cars kaya hindi ko pa magawa ng ako lang.

OA ang mga nagsasabi na severe driving conditions ang Pinas, eh traffic at init lang naman kalaban nyo jan. Compared dito freezing talaga and may road salt ka pang kalaban tapos nagto-tow pa ng fifth wheel, in addition to the traffic and init kapag summer/spring.

So in the end, yes business model yan ng TOYOTA PH lang, hindi Toyota worldwide. May nagsabi nga saken na yan ang pinakamalaking kita ng toyota - yang maintenance service nila.

Since nasa pinas kayo at wala kayong magagawa kundi sumunod sa 5K rule nila, magpa service na lang at baka magka aberya mahirap na.

Chill out guys!

well as usual, consumers have little rights and protection here in PH

and given that there are so many "willing victims" as evident on this thread this situation isn't gonna change anytime soon

[No_Limit]

San bang Toyota yan? Toyota Shaw kasi pag Fully-Synthetic every 10kms.

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[sitcoms]

we go to casa every 10kms

[kapitan88]

Katuwa itong thread, nagbago na ihip ng hangin, first pages bugbog sarado ang thread starter .

Ako, i only followed toyotas pms ng 1st year (6 pms), after sa suking shop na, then will do diy n ulit. Lagi lang ako mineral based every 5000km. Recently nag fs n ako oil change every 10k pero palit filter every 5k.

[Vodka]

first pages bugbog sarado ang thread starter ..

not really, there was just someone making silly remarks like could afford to buy a car but got no money for maintenance :D

[Vodka]

oh BTW just curious how often toyota wants you to replace the coolant? if it's a newer car using the PINK coolant (dexcool-type aka OAT aka organic acid) then this should last a long long long time because there are no chemicals that get "depleted". of course older cars using the RED coolant should be replaced often

on hondas using "Type-2" which is the organic acid technology with some honda-specific formulation it lasts 10 years

you read that right 10 YEARS