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    #121
    go for the innova d4d ala na sakit ang d4d variants nila they have already solve it...

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    #122
    I have an Innova G M/T 2.5l D4D. Purchase Date January 2006. No problems whatsoever, easy starting and no choking. Now at 39tkms.

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    #123
    You're better off with a gas Innova, like me. Buying any Toyota diesel is a 50:50 gamble - two of my bosses bought Fortuners (the 3.0CRDi kind) almost at the same time last year. Same color pa, white. One is ok, the other just had its supply pump replaced. My Innova G gas has had no problems at all (knock on wood).

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    #124
    Quote Originally Posted by praetorian View Post
    You're better off with a gas Innova, like me. Buying any Toyota diesel is a 50:50 gamble - two of my bosses bought Fortuners (the 3.0CRDi kind) almost at the same time last year. Same color pa, white. One is ok, the other just had its supply pump replaced. My Innova G gas has had no problems at all (knock on wood).
    How accurate is your 50/50 estimate? Personally I think comments like these should be based upon facts and statistics rather than speculation. Saying that you have a 50/50 chance of getting problems means that 50% of d4d engines on the road has a problem. I mean, this vehicle is a workhorse for me for the past 23 months now evident on my high mileage. I average 65kms daily with a heavy load and consumes 10.7-11.6 km/l. Although I am not fond of how it looks it does its job. Having a diesel engine is economical and I recommend the Innova D4D based on my experience a fact which I am sure of. But one thing though, the service at Toyota Alabang is terrible, I had a re alignment done and it took the the whole day because they only have two bays for that service(unbelievable)... there is a little improvement but I don't have the same frustrations with Honda Alabang. Just my two cents.

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    #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist983k View Post
    How accurate is your 50/50 estimate? Personally I think comments like these should be based upon facts and statistics rather than speculation. Saying that you have a 50/50 chance of getting problems means that 50% of d4d engines on the road has a problem. I mean, this vehicle is a workhorse for me for the past 23 months now evident on my high mileage. I average 65kms daily with a heavy load and consumes 10.7-11.6 km/l. Although I am not fond of how it looks it does its job. Having a diesel engine is economical and I recommend the Innova D4D based on my experience a fact which I am sure of. But one thing though, the service at Toyota Alabang is terrible, I had a re alignment done and it took the the whole day because they only have two bays for that service(unbelievable)... there is a little improvement but I don't have the same frustrations with Honda Alabang. Just my two cents.
    You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.

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    #126
    Quote Originally Posted by praetorian View Post
    You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.
    Sir, do have a number or direct email of TMPC president ? please PM me.

    Hulog ka ng Langit !

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    #127
    Quote Originally Posted by rvt View Post
    Sir, do have a number or direct email of TMPC president ? please PM me.

    Hulog ka ng Langit !
    Sorry, sir, only my boss has that.

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    #128
    What is the big difference between Innova and starex with reference to their specs below. Seems like Starex has the edge over Innova since it has higher output esp. DSL to DSL.
    Ano kaya reason ng Toyota kung bakit mas mababa output/toque ng Innova compared to its predecessors.

    Innova 2.5 D4D DSL

    Engine 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4
    Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600
    Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 260 * 1600-2400 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
    260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
    260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200
    Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
    Fuel System / Aspiration Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T
    Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 11.27 (AT, test) -- --
    Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
    4-speed AT 5-speed MT
    4-speed AT 5-speed MT

    Innova 2.0 VVTI Gas

    Engine 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4
    Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 136 * 5600 136 * 5600 136 * 5600
    Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 182 * 4000 182 * 4000 182 * 4000
    Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~
    Fuel System / Aspiration VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA
    Fuel Mileage (km/L) 8.00 (AT, test) 8.82 (MT, test) --
    Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
    4-speed AT 5-speed MT

    Starex DSL

    Engine 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4
    Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 85 * 4000 85 * 4000 85 * 4000
    Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 170 * 2200 170 * 2200 170 * 2200
    Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel
    Fuel System / Aspiration MFI / T MFI / T MFI / T
    Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 6.23 (AT, test) --
    Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
    4-speed AT 5-speed MT

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    #129
    Quote Originally Posted by praetorian View Post
    You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.
    You have 2 bosses with 2 d4d engines. 2 vehicles does not represent the whole assembly line. To say that you have a 50% chance of getting a bad deal is like saying 50% of the vehicles on the road and due for release will have problems... for example, I have 4 friends with d4d engines and they all have good performance, does that say that 100% of the vehicles are ok? Of course it does not. If we are going to talk abouit percentages it should be factual because buying a car is a big investment and it all should be based on facts. And if ever 50% of the d4d engines have bad performances then it would be too big a deal that Toyota themselves will stop selling. And probably even have a mass recall. 50% is such a big number to be saying lightly.

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    #130
    Mga pards,naexperience nyo na ba to?
    Kotse ko Toyota Innova J 2.5 Diesel, dinala ko sa casa for 25,000 KM check ( regular ang check every 5000 KM) . Nirecommend na i-engine wash so ok lang ako. Pagbalik sakin di na smooth ang takbo ng makina! Nasa 80kph pa lng at 5th gear ang ingay na,bago umabot ng 90KPH ang ingay na which is hindi naman dati ganon! yung fog lamps ko dina din gumana, binalik ko sa kanila, busted yung fuse pero yung sa engine wala daw silang makita na problem!( Im driving this for less than a year , almost everyday..kaya kabisadong kabisadoko tunog ng makina!)

    Notice ko lng me kalawang na yung makina (sa me turbo),normal lng daw yun...dont know kung me kinalaman yun..

    Just imagine kung magdrive ka ng kotse na parang laging nasa 3rd gear araw araw..wahhh Please heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!

List of Toyota D4D Probems (Choking, Hard Starting, etc.)