All new Toyota Rush/ Daihatsu Terios

**Vodka** · September 25th, 2018 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wh1stl3r

He also gets some specs quoted wrong from time to time, but his take on handling, comfort, performance, value, etc. are spot on.

In retrospect I should've worded my praise for him differently.

1140kg? Am surprised such a light car is so slow. You haven't bought one by any chance?

yeah i agree. i'm just nitpicky about that "body on frame" thing, which is just annoying to see on a website i like

haha nope i haven't bought one, but a close relative might. that's why i checked out the 5-seater m/t today, and snapped that pic while i was at it

**Wh1stl3r** · September 25th, 2018 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vodka

yeah i agree. i'm just nitpicky about that "body on frame" thing, which is just annoying to see on a website i like

haha nope i haven't bought one, but a close relative might. that's why i checked out the 5-seater m/t today, and snapped that pic while i was at it

That makes the Rush even more damning. How could they not the ergonomics right despite it not having to sit on a frame?

Hope he/she changes his/her mind. I'd take a look at the Mobilio/BR-V, Xpander and the upcoming Ertiga.

**Woof** · September 25th, 2018 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Vodka

"body on frame" daw yung Rush

why is this BS always regurgitated by these motoring journalists, and even on this forum?

Rush is just your typical monocoque. you really think you could achieve 1140kg curb weight by having a ladder frame

I suppose you are half right and he is also half right. I forgot where I read it but the gist is that the Rush has a monocoque body with a frame design built-in. Parang "hybrid frame" tawag nila. But for all intents and purposes, it's a monocoque body that adopts the ladder frame structure for added strength. We've seen this technique used in sedans too wherein the center tunnel was brought back in some instances to stiffen the passenger compartment.

If you look at the Rush's chassis closely, the subframe and cross members still form a very distinct ladder frame shape. And this is why the Rush's ride height is noticeably higher than its all-monocoque competitors.

Having said that, I still doubt the published 1,140 kg curb weight of the Rush to this day.

**Vodka** · September 26th, 2018 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Woof

I suppose you are half right and he is also half right. I forgot where I read it but the gist is that the Rush has a monocoque body with a frame design built-in. Parang "hybrid frame" tawag nila. But for all intents and purposes, it's a monocoque body that adopts the ladder frame structure for added strength. We've seen this technique used in sedans too wherein the center tunnel was brought back in some instances to stiffen the passenger compartment.

If you look at the Rush's chassis closely, the subframe and cross members still form a very distinct ladder frame shape. And this is why the Rush's ride height is noticeably higher than its all-monocoque competitors.

Having said that, I still doubt the published 1,140 kg curb weight of the Rush to this day.

of course your monocoque is reinforced in certain areas. actually there are 2 distinct "rails" that run the entire length on a typical moncoque. but that's NOT "body on frame"

"body on frame" is like on a pickup truck

gets?

**hardwang** · September 26th, 2018 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by dct

Nag enjoy ako basahin to. Hahaha. This is what i like about carguide. Not like topgear at lalo na autoindustriya na puro sugar coating

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Gotta give credit to the author. He's the only journalist I know who had the balls not to kiss Toyota's arse.

Would not get myself a Rush personally. Too many better choices out there. The only person I know who bought a Rush is my friend who was an uninformed first time car owner and played it safe...

**Egan101** · September 26th, 2018 08:08 AM

Well, Toyota does not seem to be in the business of selling fun to drive vehicles. They even had to rely on Subaru and BMW to remake their 86 and Supra. They are in the business of selling cars that will bring you from point A to point B in the least dramatic way possible.

I would see myself driving a Toyota, an Altis or Camry perhaps but not a Rush. Hehehe

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**dr. d** · September 26th, 2018 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by hardwang

Gotta give credit to the author. He's the only journalist I know who had the balls not to kiss Toyota's arse.

Would not get myself a Rush personally. Too many better choices out there. The only person I know who bought a Rush is my friend who was an uninformed first time car owner and played it safe...

how does your friend who bought a rush like it, so far?

**sirkosero** · September 26th, 2018 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

how does your friend who bought a rush like it, so far?

A friend got hers last week. Sana daw nag fortuner na lang sya kahit mas mahal.

Trying hard to be an SUV. Bagal pa

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**dr. d** · September 26th, 2018 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by sirkosero

A friend got hers last week. Sana daw nag fortuner na lang sya kahit mas mahal.

Trying hard to be an SUV. Bagal pa

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so it would appear that this early, "opinions vary".

to those planning to get one, kaunti pang hintay siguro, to get more opinions, and see if there is a pattern.

**Egan101** · September 26th, 2018 09:09 AM

For some people, buying a Rush is a better deal than buying a Vios. The new Vios is priced a bit high for a small car. In the case of the Vios 1.5G AT, it is priced around 15k less than an Altis 1.6G AT. It is kind of ridiculous knowing that you get a lesser car compared to an Altis.

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