Protest against Petroleum Companies

[scharnhorst]

Sir uls: Ganyan rin naman kasi ang sinasabi ko. I would just like to point out something which makes alot of people infuriated with the oil companies.

So here. Let's keep using your cellphone analogy...

BATCH 1 (6,000 selling price): 5 cellphones, bought at 5,000 each
-Expected profit margin per phone sold: 1,000 pesos.

*you sell three, and there are two phones remaining in stock.

BATCH 2 (6,500 selling price): 5 cellphones, bought at 5,500 each
-margins per phone sold: 1,000 pesos
2 cellphones from batch 1 (bought at 5000 each)
-margins per phone sold: 1,500 pesos.

Sana malinaw na rin ang punto ko. Naiintindihan ko naman na yung cellphone/langis na nakuha ng mas mahal e mas mahal rin ang benta. Naiintindihan ko rin na yung rollback, hindi pwedeng instantaneous (option B minimizes losses, which is per se, really not wrong). Ang sinasabi ko lang naman, e sana yung cellphone/langis na nakuha ng mas mura, e ibenta rin ng mas mura.

Ayan. Let's keep it cool, please. No point in losing our tempers.

sir archie: Petron is at most, 40% government owned. There are circulating rumors that there might actually be a selloff. But this doesn't matter anymore, since Petron, which should have been the government's tool in indirectly influencing the price of petroleum and protecting the interests of the filipino people, is now as profit-oriented as its two "competitors".

[[archie]]

^^ IMO, tama... hindi instant yung up or down ng prices... thats why the oil companies pa piso piso per week increase/decrease nila.

with petron, yep nothing more we can do... point lang is any company will protect its own revenue. either multinational, local, etc.

[uls]

Sir uls: Ganyan rin naman kasi ang sinasabi ko. I would just like to point out something which makes alot of people infuriated with the oil companies.

So here. Let's keep using your cellphone analogy...

BATCH 1 (6,000 selling price): 5 cellphones, bought at 5,000 each
-Expected profit margin per phone sold: 1,000 pesos.

*you sell three, and there are two phones remaining in stock.

BATCH 2 (6,500 selling price): 5 cellphones, bought at 5,500 each
-margins per phone sold: 1,000 pesos
2 cellphones from batch 1 (bought at 5000 each)
-margins per phone sold: 1,500 pesos.

Sana malinaw na rin ang punto ko. Naiintindihan ko naman na yung cellphone/langis na nakuha ng mas mahal e mas mahal rin ang benta. Naiintindihan ko rin na yung rollback, hindi pwedeng instantaneous (option B minimizes losses, which is per se, really not wrong). Ang sinasabi ko lang naman, e sana yung cellphone/langis na nakuha ng mas mura, e ibenta rin ng mas mura.

Ayan. Let's keep it cool, please. No point in losing our tempers.

if u read my posts, i never lost my temper. ung iba ang nag lose ng temper.

meron dalawa o tatlo jan mainit ang ulo sakin.

anyway back to topic:

Yes i understand.

Pwede naman ibenta sa old price ang old batch of cellphones.

But the logical choice is still to raise the price of the old batch...

keep in mind that the P1,500 profit margin is not clean profit.

Part of the profit becomes puhunan again to be used to buy the more expensive batch.

i'm sure if u are the businessman selling cellphones, u would do the same thing.

[actor21]

if u read my posts, i never lost my temper. ung iba ang nag lose ng temper.

meron dalawa o tatlo jan mainit ang ulo sakin.

anyway back to topic:

Yes i understand.

Pwede naman ibenta sa old price ang old batch of cellphones.

But the logical choice is still to raise the price of the old batch...

keep in mind that the P1,500 profit margin is not clean profit.

Part of the profit becomes puhunan again to be used to buy the more expensive batch.

i'm sure if u are the businessman selling cellphones, u would do the same thing.

walang pumipigil sayo na ibenta mo ng tig isang milyon ang celphone na nabili mo ng 5k..ang tanong dito is it morally correct? na gipitin mo ang kapwa mo dahil sa in demand ang produkto mo? ito ang isa sa mga "key" subject dito "MORALS"...kung ganyan ka mag isip..malamang sa malamang...madami ka nung key subject...

[uls]

If businesses operated out of compassion, there would be no businesses left.

If a drug company operated out of compassion, then it shouldnt be charging hundreds of thousands of pesos for cancer drugs.

wala ba awa ang drug companies?

may cancer na nga ung tao, papahirapan pa ung tao sa pagbili ng napakamahal na gamot.

Dapat maawa sila. Dapat ipresyo nila ayon sa kaya ng pasyente.

If companies operated like that, they wouldnt last very long.

Then there would be no more companies making cancer drugs.

[actor21]

If businesses operated out of compassion, there would be no businesses left.

If a drug company operated out of compassion, then it shouldnt be charging hundreds of thousands of pesos for cancer drugs.

wala ba awa ang drug companies?

may cancer na nga ung tao, papahirapan pa ung tao sa pagbili ng napakamahal na gamot.

Dapat maawa sila. Dapat ipresyo nila ayon sa kaya ng pasyente.

If companies operated like that, they wouldnt last very long.

Then there would be no more companies making cancer drugs.

sablay na naman banat mo ULS, we are not saying here ako particularly kasama si JPDM at TRUE FAITH na ibase ang price ng Langis sa kakayahan ng pinoy sa pananalapi...

ang sinasabi namin dito..e gawing makatao ang presyo dahil less than 70 dollars nalang per barrel sa world market ang presyo e sa KWENTA ng NEDA dapat less than 40 pesos ang diesel while 40pesos or less naman ang gasoline...

kung ganyan ka mag isip or mangatwiran NATURAL MALULUGI talaga lahat ng me negosyo di lang ang mga drug company at ahem nag work din po ako sa abbott lab sa boni...

ang tawag sa suhistyon mo e PALUSOT na wala sa lugar

[CoDer]

Ibang klase talaga mga banat mo uls ah? Greed Yo!

[uls]

Is that it?

all this posting and flame baiting is just for a 5 - 7 pesos?

kung nagkakarga ka ng 50 liters per week, magkano ba ang difference?

P47 X 50 = P2,350

P40 x 50 = P2,000

P350 difference.

Nagagalit kayo sa mga oil companies dahil sa P350 per week?

Tumataas ang blood pressure nyo dahil sa P350 per week?

insulting fellow tsikot members para lang sa P350 per week?

Di ba kayo maka isip ng paraan para makatipid ng P350 per week?

Itigil nyo ang pag Starbucks nyo.

Bawasan nyo mga bisyo nyo.

mag Sun SIM kayo.

Wag na kayo bumili ng newspaper... lahat naman nasa internet

Wag na kayo bumili ng mga magazine... lahat naman nasa internet

Just examine your lifestyles...

ang dali lang maka tipid ng P350 per week.

[actor21]

Ibang klase talaga mga banat mo uls ah? Greed Yo!

tol salamat akala ko kaming 3 lang nila JPDM, TrueFaith ang nakakapansin e

[actor21]

Ibang klase talaga mga banat mo uls ah? Greed Yo!

Is that it?

all this posting and flame baiting is just for a 5 - 7 pesos?

kung nagkakarga ka ng 50 liters per week, magkano ba ang difference?

P47 X 50 = P2,350

P40 x 50 = P2,000

P350 difference.

Di ba kayo maka isip ng paraan para makatipid ng P350 per week?

Itigil nyo ang pag Starbucks nyo.

Bawasan nyo mga bisyo nyo.

mag Sun SIM kayo.

Wag na kayo bumili ng newspaper... lahat naman nasa internet

Wag na kayo bumili ng mga magazine... lahat naman nasa internet

Just examine your lifestyles...

ang dali lang maka tipid ng P350 per week.

ilang milyon ba ang pilipino na dependent sa langis? ha? ilan? sa 5pesos bawat isa maski 25% lang market share makuha mo ilan na yun ha? anak ng kulugo talaga mangatwiran ang taong ito...

[c_cube]

if oil companies are not overpricing and they are not profiteering. why is it they dont want to open their books? if they are not hiding something, i think there is nothing wrong showing its books to the government or even the public.
or they'll show it after they manipulated their books??

these reasons or questions really bothers me.

IMHO, i think oil companies are not moderating their greed.

as the saying goes "money is the root of all evil"

[Monseratto]

Sir uls, this is no longer based on the perception of logic. Apparently some people need no rational explanations for what we consumer can have and have not. Its similar to a three year old in a tantrum. If they cannot get what they want, emotions take over. Best is to bear with them and hope for the best.

[uls]

yes Mons, definitely, they are emotional. An ancient human emotion has taken over them.

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Reply to the other one above:

Ayan naman pala e...

Hindi pala ito tungkol sa mataas na presyo ng fuel.

Hindi pala ito tungkol sa pagtitipid ng P5-P7 per liter.

Ito ay tungkol sa kita ng oil companies.

Kahit P60 or P70 per liter pa yan, as long as justified yung presyo, walang problema.

Now that they feel the price of fuel isnt justified, they are going crazy.

This is simply about the oil companies making money.

They hate the oil companies for making money. Period.

This is about watching someone else raking it in.

They just can't stand it.

it stirs an ancient human emotion.

Envy.

[teeyoh]

IMHO, i think oil companies are not moderating their greed.

as the saying goes "money is the root of all evil"

Correction: LOVE of money...

IMO the oil companies are acting on technicality and inside legal grounds but if morals is the question, then not only them should be scrutinized (i.e. Meralco, Maynilad Water Co., LRT/MRT, Public Transportation, PAL, Suplicio, BIR, Customs, Senate, House, PNP, etc. and all of Juan dela Cruz).

[jpdm]

if oil companies are not overpricing and they are not profiteering. why is it they dont want to open their books? if they are not hiding something, i think there is nothing wrong showing its books to the government or even the public.
or they'll show it after they manipulated their books??

these reasons or questions really bothers me.

IMHO, i think oil companies are not moderating their greed.

as the saying goes "money is the root of all evil"

Strongly agree!

[c_cube]

Correction: LOVE of money...

IMO the oil companies are acting on technicality and inside legal grounds but if morals is the question, then not only them should be scrutinized (i.e. Meralco, Maynilad Water Co., LRT/MRT, Public Transportation, PAL, Suplicio, BIR, Customs, Senate, House, PNP, etc. and all of Juan dela Cruz).

oopsss sorry i stand corrected. i forgot to type the "love of" hehehe..

[jpdm]

...NEDA's revelation about the present pricing of oil products signals the need for the whole government to act in cadence and compel the oil companies to lower down their prices...

...transport group, cause oriented groups and plain consumers should organize protests in any manner ( active and passive) to pressure these oil companies..

...malaki ginhawa maidudulot nito sa mga pinoy mayaman at mahirap man.

...But of course, as mentioned in another thread, despite the steep slide of oil, the government must continue developing alternative source of energy...to make us self sufficient..

...at the same time, support notable innovations like the HHO and other fuel saving gadgets (working ones)

[True Faith]

if the transport and other concerned groups wants to get some result...their planned protest actions must be consistent and persistent in order that they will be notice both by the government and the oil comapnies...

[True Faith]

Top Ten firms in the Philippines in terms of revenues

•October 22, 2008
1. San Miguel Corporation - 249.65 B
2. Petron Corporation - 212.82 B
3. MERALCO - 190.00 B
4. National Power Corporation - 175.0 B
5. Texas Instruments - 170.0 B
6. Pilipinas Shell - 157.0 B
7. Philiipine Long Distance Telephone Company - 133.6 B
8. SM Investments Corporation - 88.73 B
9. JG Summit Holdings Corporation - 86. 13 B
10. Philippine Associated Smelting and Refining Corporation - 80.125

Are these oil companies losing money especially Petron and Shell?

[uls]

No. They are highly profitable.

Coz they do not give in to the demands of the public and the govt.

If they easily give in to the demands of the public and the govt, they wouldnt be on that list.