Philippine Navy acquires Hamilton class patrol craft

[oj88]

IMO, adding one boat to our arsenal would barely put a dent on the Chinese navy. If we purchased 20-30 of those, then maybe the Chinese would at least get up and start taking us a little bit more seriously.

We're on the right track, but the train is too slow.

[grail80]

I am for the modernization of our armed forces, but getting a 46 year old boat hardly calls for celebration. Its an antique. Its older than most of the people in this forum. I can not understand how they can call getting 46 year old equipment as modernization.

If we are a major ally of the US, they should at least give us better equipment. They have been scraping the older Perry class frigates. They have transfered them to Poland, Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt. They have scraped a few others. Why not give it to us instead of turing it to scrap. The Perry class frigate is a very capable modern design.

Perry-class frigates are too expensive for us to operate. As far as I know the navy is already looking at obtaining several brand new hulls for its fleet (repeat: brand new, not second hand). In line with 2011 I think there is still the matter of at least 3 OPV/corvettes in the navy's acquisition plan. The problem with brand new ships is that it would take a few years for the manufacturer to assemble and deliver it for our use, and with the recent spat off Palawan the Hamilton is the best choice that we can use immediately and economically. It is a good platform for training our guys and it can patrol off the coast of Palawan for more than a month at a time.

[Big_daddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhj8ITvp-pw
Last ditch effort lang ang Phalanx CIWS. If there are ten missiles coming your way, dasal ka na lang.

Clear and Present Danger na movie yan...Morgan Freeman and Ben Affleck...not that realistic...una..there was nothing on the threat board...hence lowered alert status yung carrier...pangalawa...a carrier doesn't sail on her own...its escorted by lots of screen ships, in this case eh dapat may 1-2 Ticonderoga Cruisers or Arleigh Burke destroyers acting as escorts, ASW and Anti-Air screens.

CIWS coupled with chaff/flares/decoys ang last effort...plus ship movement.

Wala pa naman major carrier engagement after WWII...even during the Korean war eh walang major threat sa US carriers except for submarines.

Its a high stakes game that nobody has played yet...if WWIII breaks out..then we'll know which will win...modern carriers or modern ASM's.

[Big_daddy]

nowadays, you wouldn't expect missiles to come in horizontally

they would approach the target vertically since their velocity is augmented by gravity

so whether you shoot them down or not, it will still hit you

Paano yun...you shoot them down or not, it will still hit you? di ko makuha yung meaning.

Are you saying na since almost vertical sya, kahit tamaan ng Aster 30 or Standard 3 ERM Block IV eh tatamaan pa rin yung target?

[jonski]

Clear and Present Danger na movie yan...Morgan Freeman and Ben Affleck...not that realistic...

Sum of All Fears yung movie. Nauna yung Clear and Present danger.

[Big_daddy]

Sum of All Fears yung movie. Nauna yung Clear and Present danger.

I stand corrected yung clear and present pala was about the drug lords...sorry OT.

[Ry_Tower]

parang pelikula na pala dito, hehehe

[safeorigin]

Paano yun...you shoot them down or not, it will still hit you? di ko makuha yung meaning.

Are you saying na since almost vertical sya, kahit tamaan ng Aster 30 or Standard 3 ERM Block IV eh tatamaan pa rin yung target?

ever heard of ballistic missiles converted into anti-ship missiles? or multiple warheads? or the effectiveness of submarine launched missiles vs. interceptor missiles?

in the 80's both sides figured out that by releasing multiple warheads, tracking systems can be duped into targeting the booster stage instead of the warhead per se since they're pretty much untrackable during reentry. a missile intercept can therefore only be done if there's data on the silo's location. this is also the reason why part of START is exchange of silo data. now, if it's from a submarine then there's less time to react especially if it's travelling at hypersonic speed.

this is also partially the reason why DARPA is researched on FALCON HTV

[Big_daddy]

Yap, di ba eto yung meron yung China...IRBM that is tasked for anti-ship/carrier roles.

So if this is the way of the future...then 90% ng mga ABM or Anti-Air/Anti-Cruise missiles eh obsolete na.

So does this mean na puro CIWS na lang tulad ng US CIWS or Dutch Goalkeeper na lang ang effective?

[safeorigin]

nah, the angle of elevation for those systems are too narrow to engage something hitting you from directly above. besides, if let's say you intercepted one(assuming it's not MIRV), the ballistic missile debris would incapacitate a carrier's deck since it's like dropping rocks directly above paper boats