Gas stations with cheaper fuel prices [continued]

[uls]

IMO, ok lang sa kanya because he knows Petron is too expensive for the Gov't to buy.

alam ni RSA di kakagat ang gobyerno

Just think kung saan nagpapa-gas Police cars and Fire Trucks natin, sa small players ba?

Gov't could have started their own fuel station close/inside Aguinaldo, Karingal and Crame if they wanted to. Sell the fuel at a subsidized rate since majority of the vehicles na makikinabang are Gov't vehicles.

kailan naging price sensitive ang gobyerno?

kahit 100 pesos per liter ang gas di naman magrereklamo ang gobyerno

private sector ang price sensitive

private sector ang nagrereklamo kaya napipilitan mag salita / umaksyon ang gobyerno

And if the Gov't starts to sell cheaper fuel in Metro Manila, paano naman sa provinces?

ung theoretical ko gov't buys petron and sells fuel at a loss -- wala ako sinabi metro manila lang

Tama si RSA. No one is asking us to go to Petron.

oo kahit di mag sabi si RSA huwag ako bumili sa petron di naman talaga ako bumibili sa petron

tsaka sino tanga jeepney driver o taxi driver nagpapakarga sa petron?

saan ba lagi nakapila mga taxi? sa uno roosevelt

ung mga jeepney saan nagpapakarga? may nagtitinda sa kanila ng diesel nasa galon -- galing sa fuel tank ng mga private truck (ung mga driver/pahinante ng private truck nagbebenta ng diesel -- stealing from their employer)

Stations earn per liter sold. so an increase in prices does not benefit them.

small players took away market share from petron

[crazy_boy]

small players took away market share from petron

Perfect example ang Petron West Ave and Shell Roosevelt. Compare mo volume sales nila sa mga small players along those 2 roads, barya nalang natira sa kanila.


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[uls]

Perfect example ang Petron West Ave and Shell Roosevelt. Compare mo volume sales nila sa mga small players along those 2 roads, barya nalang natira sa kanila.


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yeah

never ever ko nakita may pila sa shell roosevelt

pa-isa-isa lang customer

[ice15]

ung theoretical ko gov't buys petron and sells fuel at a loss -- wala ako sinabi metro manila lang

doing this will kill the entire industry.

VAT nga ng fuel di nila kaya tanggalin... sell fuel at a loss pa.

IMO. best case is to remove the VAT on fuel
or just remove the VAT on fuel for non-private vehicles

[uls]

doing this will kill the entire industry.

VAT nga ng fuel di nila kaya tanggalin... sell fuel at a loss pa.

IMO. best case is to remove the VAT on fuel
or just remove the VAT on fuel for non-private vehicles

there was a time the gov't had an oil price stabization fund



that was basically the government absorbing oil price spikes

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why do governments absorb losses?

in situations where social unrest (caused by rising cost of living) can destabilize governments, governments will subsidize the private sector para di sila patumbahin

pero syempre governments can only do that until funds run out

[kagalingan]

gentle reminder...

Big 3 is now Petron, Shell and Phoenix

Last year nagphoenix ako. Bale prior so year 2019 nag uno but haba pila. One experience na 30minutes inantay ayaw ko na. Katabi phoenix konti lang difference ang tagal pa maubos parang walang ethanol or 5%.

[ice15]

there was a time the gov't had an oil price stabization fund



that was basically the government absorbing oil price spikes

-

why do governments absorb losses?

in situations where social unrest (caused by rising cost of living) can destabilize governments, governments will subsidize the private sector para di sila patumbahin

pero syempre governments can only do that until funds run out

I know... pero the "fund" will need to be replenished. hence di bumababa agad price kahit bumaba price sa world market.

fast forward to 2021... for sure the Gov't will have to sell at a higher price to replenish the "fund"

As I said. VAT nga di nila kayang tanggalin. taxed pa din ang hybrids and electric vehicles... tapos asa pa tayo na sasagutin nila fuel natin?

What I don't understand with our local "experts" is that they don't see indirect benefits to our local economy.

VAT-less fuel will mean people will spend more on something else. pera pa din pero sa ibang sector manggagaling.
Tax-Free shopping (Like Thailand, Singapore and HK) will mean more tourists, more spending

Lahat nalang dito may tax!

[Mask Rider Blac]

Once a year lang ako nagpapagas sa Perron, kasi masipag sila bumati kapag kaarawan [emoji28]
All other days, sa Felix Ave, Cainta (Boss, RePhil, Petro Gazz) ako nagpapagas, last week nasa P52.65 ang 91 RON. Also, from Clean Fuel para sa auto LPG.

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[uls]

theoretical lang coz there was a comment in another thread regarding RSA selling petron to the gov't -- the comment was kung bababa ang presyo ng fuel

ang answer ko diyan is -- yes, if the theoretical gov't owned petron will sell fuel at a loss

[bugsmobile]

Nag pa gas ako kanina sa Petron Edsa Connecticut. Wasn’t paying attention at the prices, but P67 for the unleaded!!!!

[Dr.Kamiya]

Bilib din ako kay RSA even the idea of removing taxes from fuel he wasn't in favor of, despite the fact that it would fix Petron's problems and put them level with the smugglers (after all no tax = no advantage for smuggling).

He knew that the government would lose another important source of revenue if this was implemented kasi, added to the fact that we need that revenue now more than ever being in the midst of a pandemic.

That Makabayan congressman is a genuine idiot.

[papi smith]

That Makabayan congressman is a genuine idiot.

Spot on, let the state take over all utilities, for the good of the poeple, that's their code. It's like he never experienced Nawasa.

[uls]

nagpagas ako kanina...

at the petron killa




presyo ng gasolina sa uno presyo ng diesel sa big 3 haha

[shadow]

nagpagas ako kanina...

at the petron killa




presyo ng gasolina sa uno presyo ng diesel sa big 3 haha

Bakit kaya ibaba ng uno diyan yun presyo?


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[uls]

Bakit kaya ibaba ng uno diyan yun presyo?


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well according to Ramon Ang smuggled daw ang imported fuel na binebenta ng mga small player hehe

pero tingin ko dahil mas mataas ang overhead ng mga big player

tsaka if buy a petron gas station franchise laki ng puhunan kailangan mo bawiin so you need higher margin to make ROI

unlike investing in a no-name gas station low margin can make ROI

and if you see uno's station it's very basic kaya low overhead

walang kaartehan

[kagalingan]

ang mahlupet na tanong:

-bakit sa true qc napupuwesto mura fuel.

- pati supermarket

sa other cities bakit sinisingil kayo ng mataas.

if si phoenix part na ng big 3 eh kadikit ng uno pricing centavos diiperensya. Smuggler din?

Kagabi 11pm nagpagaso ako. Ubos unleaded entry level. Bagsak ko tuloy ron 95. 55.45 ata

[uls]

kasi sa ibang siyudad lalo sa south (makati pababa) puro mga executive/corporate types mga residente

galante mga yan... kaya mataas presyo sa kanila alam ng mga businesses they're willing to pay

tsaka brand conscious mga corporate type ayaw nila makipag deal sa mga di kilala (uno who?)

sa QC madami kuripot allergic sa Tagah hehe

[ice15]

pero tingin ko dahil mas mataas ang overhead ng mga big player

tsaka if buy a petron gas station franchise laki ng puhunan kailangan mo bawiin so you need higher margin to make ROI

unlike investing in a no-name gas station low margin can make ROI

and if you see uno's station it's very basic kaya low overhead

walang kaartehan

yup. overhead costs which includes advertising, the high $$$ executives and the modern equipment (normally mas maganda pumps ng big 4)

if I remember correctly, pati "area managers" ng Shell and Petron are well paid.

Pero... believe it or not. mas maganda talaga additives na linalagay ng Petron, Caltex, Total and Shell sa fuel.

yung other players. basic fuel lang talaga benta nila

[uls]

satisfied ako sa gasoline ng uno and phoenix

dati nasubukan ko seaoil pero parang madali maubos so di nako nag seaoil uli

[ice15]

dati nasubukan ko seaoil pero parang madali maubos so di nako nag seaoil uli

yan din feeling ko (nung 90's) nung nagtry ako ng small player.

tinanong ko jeep driver namin kung same din observation nya... di nya daw alam kasi di gumagana fuel gauge nya

personally... old Big 3 lang ako. not unless stuck sa kawalan at paubos na gas ko

kahit old Big 3 pero lumang luma na yung mga pump nila... iwas ako.