Need Advice on Power Steering Leak

[MyDestiny]

When i took my car to cruven to get the shocks repaired. They found a leak in the powersteering. They went ahead and fixed that. So far, no problems. You can call up your local cruven shop, or stop by and ask if they have a mechanic there that can do the job.

BTW, Casa always overcharges. I'd go there just to get a checkup, then take it somewhere else to get it done.

How much did it cost you? And where is Cruven? Sorry, I'm not that familiar with auto repair shops.

Anyway, the 3 items listed above was the quote I got from speedyfix .

Thanks

[zephyr08]

Hi Sirs and Ma'ams,

I'm reviving this thread because I have the same problem as the TS. Same model, same problem.

Sakit na talaga ng Honda Civic 2001-05 (ES) yung power steering.

Nag patingin ako sa Honda SPA Mindanao Ave. I was quoted 12,000 pesos for the Power Steering Gearbox (Sabi nila gear box eh, alam ko rack and pinion yun), di yun brand new, sabi nila papadala nila sa factory para ma re-manufacture yung PS "Gear Box". Ang masama dun pati ung shocks ko sa harap palitin na kasi sobrang matagtag yung ride. 16,200 both shocks. Ouch!!!!


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So natanong ako sa Cruven. Here's the break down.

Shock absorber repair and rebuild - 1050 each x 4 = 4200++ (misc parts that needs replacing such as shock mounting, control arm boots)

Power Steering Overhaul Labor Cost - 3500
Repair Kit for overhaul - 5000 est.
If the rack needs re-chroming (might be the culprit, if the rack causes the abrasion of the seals, hence the leak) - 3500
Total estimated cost for the PS: 12,000 OUCH!!!!!

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Tas tinext ko yung tatay ng kaklase ko dati na may Talyer sa makati.

PS overhaul and rebuild. 1500.

Tinanong ko ulit baka namamalik mata lang ako, at kung sa 1500 papalitan na yung mga rubber seals, oo daw.

Siguro di naman ako mamasamain non kasi kakilala ko anak nya. Kinakabahan lang ako baka hihigpitan lang mga bolts at screws non, o kaya lagyan ng teflon yung bolts. After some time baka bumalik ulet yung leaks. Or worse baka ma loose thread.


Need your advice mga sirs and ma'am since malaki ang gagastusin.

[wynzam]

Hi Zephyr08,

Mukang we have the same problem. Mine's a honda accord 96. Went to Honda SPA and they quote me for the replacement ng Gearbox Assembly for a whopping 51,900 petoses excluding labor.

May pinagawan ako sa mekaniko ng utol ko. nakaka 2 tries na using repair kit ayun may leak pa din.

will try again for the last time suspetsa is yung rack that maybe causing the abrasion of the oil seal. Rechroming ba tawag para mabawasan yung talim nung rack? (I don't know kung tama).

Napagawa mo na ba dun sa tatay ng kaklase mo?

[rmpmla]

Baka makatulong dun sa may mga Power Steering Leak.

Power steering leak din problema ko at Nagpatulong ako dun sa suki kong tindahan sa Banawe. Tinuro ako dun sa power steering specialist sa BMA ave.

price for repair of rack and pinion is 3K kasama na kung kailangan ireface yung shaft. of course, excluded ang PS fluid and boot (kung sira din).

dahil sa reasonable naman ang price ay pinagawa ko na. it took them around 3 hours for the removal, ovehaul, and re-installation.

pinakita sa akin ang cause ng leak at may tama yung shafting.

The shop only do power steering. Name ng shop ay Toto power steering specialist. And they give 3 months warranty.

BMA ave. is parallel to Banawe. it is first street on the right if you are coming from E. Rod corner Araneta ave.


HTH

[wynzam]

Baka makatulong dun sa may mga Power Steering Leak.

Power steering leak din problema ko at Nagpatulong ako dun sa suki kong tindahan sa Banawe. Tinuro ako dun sa power steering specialist sa BMA ave.

price for repair of rack and pinion is 3K kasama na kung kailangan ireface yung shaft. of course, excluded ang PS fluid and boot (kung sira din).

dahil sa reasonable naman ang price ay pinagawa ko na. it took them around 3 hours for the removal, ovehaul, and re-installation.

pinakita sa akin ang cause ng leak at may tama yung shafting.

The shop only do power steering. Name ng shop ay Toto power steering specialist. And they give 3 months warranty.

BMA ave. is parallel to Banawe. it is first street on the right if you are coming from E. Rod corner Araneta ave.


HTH

Thanks for sharing paps! if sa third try di umobra dun sa mekaniko ni utol dyan na ko pupunta. Any landmark na malapit?

Thanks!

[rmpmla]

Thanks for sharing paps! if sa third try di umobra dun sa mekaniko ni utol dyan na ko pupunta. Any landmark na malapit?

Thanks!

BMA ave. is in front of QI. The shop is around 40 meters from the corner of E. Rod and BMA ave. nasa right side portion po sya

[wynzam]

BMA ave. is in front of QI. The shop is around 40 meters from the corner of E. Rod and BMA ave. nasa right side portion po sya

Thanks ulit. Last question na. May number ka ba nila?

Di umobra yung 3rd try. haay!

TIA!

[rmpmla]

Thanks ulit. Last question na. May number ka ba nila?

Di umobra yung 3rd try. haay!

TIA!

wala sir number dun sa resibo.

pero address is #103 BMA ave. Tatalon, Q.C.

[speedyfix]

when you've repaired it and the leak keeps comming back have the rack replaced with a surplus one nalang imo.

[wynzam]

Went to Toto's power steering specialist na ni-refer mo rmpmla (Big thanks for the help) a few days ago. they were able to fix the leak in my rack and pinion. bumalik ako twice to have it check kasi nababawasan pa din ako ng PS Fluid.

nung unang balik they saw that one hose has a leak, so pinutol lang ng onti yung dulo and then kinabit ulit.

The next day nababawasan pa din ako ng PS fluid so bumalik ako ulit to have it checked. yung hose naman connecting to the PS cooling line naman yung may leak. kaso instead of palitan lang yung hose. tinangal yung PS cooling line and ni rekta nalang nung gumawa (mukang di nya kaya tangalin at ibalik bumper kaya para mabilis nag rekta nalang sya). after that i noticed ang lakas ng ugong ng steering specially pag nag papark ako. may bubbles din ako nakikita sa reservoir.

ano kaya naging prob? ok naman sya bago tinangal yung cooling line ng auto.

pinabalik ko na yun cooling line kaso umuugong pa din pag nag papark.

kailangan ko kaya ipa bleed yung ps system ko?

hi, speedyfix, was planning to bring my car to your shop to have it checked, kaso next year pa ata kayo mag bukas sa new location nyo?

[afrasay]

nagkulang ang volume ng PS fluid kasi inalis yun cooling coil sa system. bleed mo system maige. with the engine off and the front lifted turn the steering wheel contineously until you dont hear the gurgling sound coming from the reservoir. palitan nalang ng hose, I'm not really fond of cutting off the edge just to stop the leak. may allowance yan for movement.

[rmpmla]

Went to Toto's power steering specialist na ni-refer mo rmpmla (Big thanks for the help) a few days ago. they were able to fix the leak in my rack and pinion. bumalik ako twice to have it check kasi nababawasan pa din ako ng PS Fluid.

nung unang balik they saw that one hose has a leak, so pinutol lang ng onti yung dulo and then kinabit ulit.

The next day nababawasan pa din ako ng PS fluid so bumalik ako ulit to have it checked. yung hose naman connecting to the PS cooling line naman yung may leak. kaso instead of palitan lang yung hose. tinangal yung PS cooling line and ni rekta nalang nung gumawa (mukang di nya kaya tangalin at ibalik bumper kaya para mabilis nag rekta nalang sya). after that i noticed ang lakas ng ugong ng steering specially pag nag papark ako. may bubbles din ako nakikita sa reservoir.

ano kaya naging prob? ok naman sya bago tinangal yung cooling line ng auto.

pinabalik ko na yun cooling line kaso umuugong pa din pag nag papark.

kailangan ko kaya ipa bleed yung ps system ko?

hi, speedyfix, was planning to bring my car to your shop to have it checked, kaso next year pa ata kayo mag bukas sa new location nyo?

Sorry to hear that it did not turn out 100% outright OK.

Ano po sabi nila sa dun sa umuugong and dun sa bubbles?

[ericbalajadia]

Mahirap talaga minsan mag gawa ng power steering, daming complications.

Sometimes:
1. steering lines should be replaced rather than repaired.
2. the whole rack & pinion assy replaced than overhauled. Even if the shaft is rechromed, the inner barrel surface may have scratches and knicks that can damage seals not to mention the delicate care a mechanic should follow during assembly.

[wynzam]

Sorry to hear that it did not turn out 100% outright OK.

Ano po sabi nila sa dun sa umuugong and dun sa bubbles?

ayos lang pre at least it saved me the cost of getting a new steering gearbox assembly which cost 52,000 pesos.

di pa ko bumabalik eh. mukang papagawa ko nalang sa iba. medyo, I'm not happy with the way how they treat the car (nagasgas hood ko). and sa returning customer for a back job (yung mga gumawa nung first visit ko parang di nako kilala nung 3rd visit ko. iniiwasan ako.)

i myself don't consider it as a back job naman. they could have told me na ibang problema na so another cost kaso ang nangyari eh iniiwasan ako.

if ever siguro may magpapagawa sa kanila, have your gearbox assembly dismantled somewhere else and just bring it to them for repair.

umugong lang talaga nung nagpalit ng return hose dun sa reservoir and tinangal yung power steering cooling line at nirekta nung gumawa.

sana di lang na bleed kaya umuugong at di pa sira ang power steering pump ko.

[ericbalajadia]

di pa ko bumabalik eh. mukang papagawa ko nalang sa iba. medyo, I'm not happy with the way how they treat the car (nagasgas hood ko). and sa returning customer for a back job (yung mga gumawa nung first visit ko parang di nako kilala nung 3rd visit ko. iniiwasan ako.)

i myself don't consider it as a back job naman. they could have told me na ibang problema na so another cost kaso ang nangyari eh iniiwasan ako.

I've worked in carshops as a mechanic for a long time and now manages this one in Makati. Not to justify or defend mechanic attitude towards a returning customer after a just-finished repair, ino-obserbahan ko mga mekaniko namin dito, ganun din sila at times eh, and just recently, with an exactly the same car and problem as yours; '04 Accord rack & pinion leak.

The mechanic overhauled the steering. After a week bumalik yung customer with a complaint that the leak is more pronounced than before. Nilapitan lang ng mekaniko tapos sumimple na palayo. I know then that he's giving up on the problem implicitly and that's a sign for me to assign the job to another mechanic.

It's an unfortunate and unfair treatment to receive anywhere; you bought a defective consumer product and you're treated coolly by the complaint desk; buy a lemon 2nd-hand car (or even brand-new) and the dealer suddenly seems to be aloof, a far cry for when he was still trying to sell you the car, treating you like a long lost brother. Para bang it's a natural behavior to shy away from something already "unprofitable" which is wrong.

In your case, the shop should have had a service advisor you can approach about the concerns. Regarding the scratches after the repair, a checklist prior should have been performed to prevent pinpointing later.

[wynzam]

It's an unfortunate and unfair treatment to receive anywhere; you bought a defective consumer product and you're treated coolly by the complaint desk; buy a lemon 2nd-hand car (or even brand-new) and the dealer suddenly seems to be aloof, a far cry for when he was still trying to sell you the car, treating you like a long lost brother. Para bang it's a natural behavior to shy away from something already "unprofitable" which is wrong.

In your case, the shop should have had a service advisor you can approach about the concerns. Regarding the scratches after the repair, a checklist prior should have been performed to prevent pinpointing later.

It's a sad reality here in the philippines. bihira kalang makakita ng store na maganda ang after sales service.

sa kalye lang sila gumagawa eh. and with the amount i'm paying i don't expect a service advisor from them. They could have been more careful with the way they treat yung car ng customer nalang nila siguro.

Dinala ko na sa honda marikina to replace the hose na may leak and pina bleed ko na din. hopefully matapos na ang kalbaryo ko sa power steering.

[wynzam]

update on my power steering problem saga..

had the hoses in the cooling line replaced sa honda due to leaks. dun ko na pinagawa para siguradong maibabalik ng maayos yung bumper ko.

nung sinabi ko na umuugong and may bubbles sa reservoir. the SA pointed to the non original pressure hose. sabi ko tolerable naman yung noise nun medyo malakas lang talaga ngayon compared dati at may air bubbles sa reservoir. so i asked them to bleed it. I'm not sure if they did bleed it.

wala ng leak kaso may air bubbles pa din sa reservoir.

tried to steer left and right a few times with the engine off (di nakaangat front wheels) and nawala na yung ugong when i tried to steer left and right again with the engine on pero bumalik din ugong after a few minutes.

may leak kaya ang suction hose? (isa kasi ito sa binaklas nung gumawa sa toto's power steering specialist shop) how do i check?

or may tama na pump?

[speedyfix]

wynzam, yup we're opening on the 3rd pa. i'm almost 100% sure all of the noise, bubbles, etc are coming from the pressure hose you had recrimpped. hindi pwede ganyan kasi the oem (and even replacement hoses) will have one way valves built into the hose itself. once the size of the hose changes ganyan agad yung kinalalabasan nyan.

[wynzam]

wynzam, yup we're opening on the 3rd pa. i'm almost 100% sure all of the noise, bubbles, etc are coming from the pressure hose you had recrimpped. hindi pwede ganyan kasi the oem (and even replacement hoses) will have one way valves built into the hose itself. once the size of the hose changes ganyan agad yung kinalalabasan nyan.

Will bring it to your shop nalang this coming to saturday to have it checked.

Eto yung 2 hoses na nagalaw. yung sa right side (arrow) pinalitan ng hose.



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Do you also do power steering pump overhaul?

Thanks!

[harold13]

bring it somewhere else for cheaper estimate. sakit na din ng mga honda yan e.