bird hunting???

[shadow]

or any big game hunting, meron ba dito nag hunt? anong rifle and maganda for beginners? airgun lang para siguro sa mga ibon...thanks saan makakabili?

[flakez]

ung tito ko namamaril sa may likod namin. hehehe. palaisdaan kasi. ung barkada ko naman dati ung airgun niya cinonvert, pwede gamitan ng .22.

sa mga toby's meron ata. ewan ko lang kung mura o ok.

[nicolodeon]

I've done my share of this. The rifle that you would use would depend on the game you would hunt.

For example, if you would hunt quail or bato-bato, then a nice 12-gauge shotgun would do. Not the pump action, but the two barrelled, two-trigger version. See, quail and the lowly bato-bato take flight en masse. So, one quick and nicely placed buck-shot can bring down a number of birds.

If small, migratory birds lang, then a nice .22 caliber air rifle would do. Mas mura ang pellets ng air rifle compared to .22LR rounds. Today, there are three kinds of air rifles: CO2, penumatic and spring. To know the difference between the three, go here.

Nung naghu-hunting pa kami, I used to own two rifles: a Remington 504, chambered for the .22LR round (rimfire) and a Remington 700 BDL, chambered for the 223 round (center-fire). The rifle was good for big, migratory birds as well as wild fowl and, if you are a great shot, a small baboy-ramo. Both rifles were bolt action and both had variable Bushnell scopes.

For medium-sized game (like our local deer or a sizable baboy-ramo), then you would need a gun with a larger caliber. A good rifle of this kind would be a rifle that is chambered for the magnum round. An example would be the Remington 600, which is chambered to the Remington magnum round. My late uncle whom I used to hunt with had this type of gun. One of the best hunting (and sniper) rifle is the Remington 700, which has been around since 1962. For bigger game, there are bigger calibers. Iba't iba ang classiciation ng hunting rifle e.g varmint, big-game (yung pang elepant ang laki ng caliber), etc.

Hunting is all about stealth and patience. Nung dati, we spent hours lying prone waiting for game to come. Kapag kilos ka kasi ng kilos, naamoy ka at nararamdaman nung game, kaya lumalayo sila. Mas mailap, mas mahirap barilin. Luck also plays a great part. Kung malas ang pinili mong spot, kahit mag-hapon ka ng naghihintay eh wala ka paring nakikitang game. Hunting also tests all of your senses: sight, smell, hearing and feel. It is also about intelligence kasi there would be times you would have to...predict where your game would go (kung tumakbo) and where you would need to run (kung yung binaril mong baboy damo eh nakita ka na tapos hinahabol ka na).

Kung serious ka to try this sport, I suggest you read-up first regarding the discplines, etiquette (yep, may ganito sa hunting), best practices, equipment, permits, and the like. It would be good kung mag-simula ka muna sa air rifles para ma-praktis ka. Iba kasing bumaril ang pistol/handgun compared to rifles. Sa hunting kasi, there are a lot of things to consider - for example...wind drift, wind velocity, and the like that one has to consider to measure the correct distance to target to get a nice and clean shot off.

I don't have the rifles with me anymore but I have a spring-type air rifle with a Bausch and Lomb variable scope. I'm considering to get myself a lever-action Marlin rifle in the future, yung para bang 30/30 Winchester.

Good luck and happy hunting.

[jasonub]

sayang bilihin ko sana yung bolt action na 223

[amboy]

for quail or bato-bato i use a 12 gauge pump action shotgun using either #5 or #8 shot, but most of the time i use the #5 shot. back home in subic (not sbma but subic, zambales) pre-pinatubo time, we use to do a lot of bird (duck/quail/batobato/kalapating bundok) hunting using shotgun, scoped .22lr and in some ocassion even an airgun. but for big game like wild boar and the ocassional deer we normaly use a scoped .223, but most of the time we just set trap (its not hunting per se... but hey... it gets the job done just the same ). there was even a time we had to put down a raging water buffalo about to skewer us with a 12 gauge slug! boy that debacle was settled quickly! however we had to pay for the buffalo as the owner came rushing with bolo in hand shouting all kinds of unprintable words at us hehe. anyway, for big game we normally get an aeta guide to bring us to our intended prey's habitat so we can set up a hunter's nest and wait for our quarry.

anyway, for the ocassional bird hunting/plinking, a scoped .22lr (marlin is a good brand) is hard to beat. so easy to get a license for these too.

*Shadow - are you into sports fishing? you're avatar suggest that you do. am an angler too.

[nicolodeon]

For air rifles, any sporting goods store at the major malls have them. However, nearly all of them are CO2. I've yet to see a pneumatic or spring air rifle sold at a sporting goods store e.g. Toby's. You can also check out Hann Manila or local distributors of Armscor firearms. There are also a couple of good gun stores at Megamall, Galleria and at the Makati Cinema Square.

For beginner riflemen, a good book to read it Sam Fadala's Riflemans Bible. It teaches you the basics and guides you to the intermediary stuff. It also informs you about the different bullet types, casings, powders and the like used for rifles.

Good luck.

*Amboy - that buffalo thing would've scared me shitless. Good thing you had the gun.

[amboy]

*Nicolodeon - i know what you mean actually it was a good thing a friend of mine who was holding on to the shotgun at the time had the presence of mind to put the beast down before it did any harm on us. kami... we were about to run at the time

[shadow]

does a .22 caliber airgun need a license? are airguns still the same as I remember na 1 shot then reload pellets? how about yun gas, ilan shots bago mag load ng gas? meron na ban ngayon airgun na meron magazine na pwede i load marming pellets then baril na lang ng baril untilmaubos yun gas?

[nicolodeon]

does a .22 caliber airgun need a license?

Yes, you still need a license to own one and another license to carry one, if you're goint hunting. Pero, compared to bigger caliber rifles, mas madaling kuhanan ng license ang .22 rifle.

are airguns still the same as I remember na 1 shot then reload pellets?

Yep.

how about yun gas, ilan shots bago mag load ng gas?

Mga 10-11 shots. Yung 12th up to 15th eh mahina na ang magiging muzzle velocity dahil paubos na yung C02. That's why I own a spring-type air rifle. No CO2s to mess with.

meron na ban ngayon airgun na meron magazine na pwede i load marming pellets then baril na lang ng baril untilmaubos yun gas?

Wala, kung after-market parts ang tinutukoy mo. Pero may mga kasama ako dati na namamaril na may...contraption na ganito. Magazine sya na naka-attach (in an angle) dun sa slot na paglalagyan mo ng pellet. Pag-hatak nya nung bolt, automatic na lumalaglag yung isang pellet dun sa butas. Pinasadya na ito sa gunsmith nya.

[whistler]

Yes, you still need a license to own one and another license to carry one, if you're goint hunting. Pero, compared to bigger caliber rifles, mas madaling kuhanan ng license ang .22 rifle.



Yep.



Mga 10-11 shots. Yung 12th up to 15th eh mahina na ang magiging muzzle velocity dahil paubos na yung C02. That's why I own a spring-type air rifle. No CO2s to mess with.



Wala, kung after-market parts ang tinutukoy mo. Pero may mga kasama ako dati na namamaril na may...contraption na ganito. Magazine sya na naka-attach (in an angle) dun sa slot na paglalagyan mo ng pellet. Pag-hatak nya nung bolt, automatic na lumalaglag yung isang pellet dun sa butas. Pinasadya na ito sa gunsmith nya.

What kind of license do i need to own a .22 caliber airgun and to carry one? Also, where do i get this license here in the Philippines?

[whistler]

Yes, you still need a license to own one and another license to carry one, if you're goint hunting. Pero, compared to bigger caliber rifles, mas madaling kuhanan ng license ang .22 rifle.



Yep.



Mga 10-11 shots. Yung 12th up to 15th eh mahina na ang magiging muzzle velocity dahil paubos na yung C02. That's why I own a spring-type air rifle. No CO2s to mess with.



Wala, kung after-market parts ang tinutukoy mo. Pero may mga kasama ako dati na namamaril na may...contraption na ganito. Magazine sya na naka-attach (in an angle) dun sa slot na paglalagyan mo ng pellet. Pag-hatak nya nung bolt, automatic na lumalaglag yung isang pellet dun sa butas. Pinasadya na ito sa gunsmith nya.

What kind of license do i need to own a .22 caliber airgun and to carry one? Also, where do i get this license here in the Philippines?

[XTO]

i used to hunt in bulacan (bato bato) in the 80's. but i'd shift hunting mickey mouse (mga peste kasi sila) in our back yard with a little bait (rice, fish fish etc.) talo talo na! I realized kawawa kasi mga birds, sealed faith sila when they were caught by my JBC bolt action cal 22 airgun using round head silver streak pellet or double action type (i can see in my scope when the pellet explodes when it hits them) with the big help from my 3-9X X 40 mm variable scope. Re. license, you can inquire at any Hahn. HTH

[miLes]

i used to hunt in bulacan (bato bato) in the 80's. but i'd shift hunting mickey mouse (mga peste kasi sila) in our back yard with a little bait (rice, fish fish etc.) talo talo na! I realized kawawa kasi mga birds, sealed faith sila when they were caught by my JBC bolt action cal 22 airgun using round head silver streak pellet or double action type (i can see in my scope when the pellet explodes when it hits them) with the big help from my 3-9X X 40 mm variable scope. Re. license, you can inquire at any Hahn. HTH

had the same experience when i was still into hunting during my gradeschool years, i was using a .22 cal airgun (CO2) with a bushnell scope back then, have shot tarats, bato batos, pugos, mayas etc.. till i got my last kill, it was just a maya on a branch and i just shot at it for fun, it was still alive when i picked it up bleeding through its beak (hit in the neck), i looked closer and i will never forget the look in its eyes, from that day on i promised myself to never go bird hunting again

[nicolodeon]

i used to hunt in bulacan (bato bato) in the 80's. but i'd shift hunting mickey mouse (mga peste kasi sila) in our back yard with a little bait (rice, fish fish etc.) talo talo na! I realized kawawa kasi mga birds, sealed faith sila when they were caught by my JBC bolt action cal 22 airgun using round head silver streak pellet or double action type (i can see in my scope when the pellet explodes when it hits them) with the big help from my 3-9X X 40 mm variable scope. Re. license, you can inquire at any Hahn. HTH

ahahaha, hang lufet mo naman bro - kawawa talaga yung mga ibon, lalo na yung bato-bato. Yund double-action na .22 air rifle pellets eh pwedeng pang varmint hunting yun.

[nicolodeon]

What kind of license do i need to own a .22 caliber airgun and to carry one? Also, where do i get this license here in the Philippines?

Well, kung airgun, hindi na yata kailangan. Well, at least dati pa nung bumuli ako eh hindi - ewan ko lang ngayon.

Kung .22 LR, oo kailangan. Permit to Own and Permit to Carry. If you buy your .22 rilfe at a "reputable" gun shop, they usually handle all the paper work for you. Pero, kung gusto mong ikaw ang lalakad, sa Camp Crame ka dapat pumunta. Puntahan mo yung website ng PNP para makita mo ang mga requirements for firearms permits (http://www.pnp.gov.ph/)

Sa hunting naman, well, depende sa lugar kung 'san ka mamamaril. May mga game and wildlife reserves tayo na off-limits sa hunting, mayron naman hindi pero may bag limit sa game. Pag ganito, you need to get a hunting permit from the government. AFAIR, either sa DENR or sa DA ka kukuha. Dati sa Bureau of Forestry and Aquatic Resources kami kumukuha.

[ogpro]

Well, kung airgun, hindi na yata kailangan. Well, at least dati pa nung bumuli ako eh hindi - ewan ko lang ngayon.

Kung .22 LR, oo kailangan. Permit to Own and Permit to Carry. If you buy your .22 rilfe at a "reputable" gun shop, they usually handle all the paper work for you. Pero, kung gusto mong ikaw ang lalakad, sa Camp Crame ka dapat pumunta. Puntahan mo yung website ng PNP para makita mo ang mga requirements for firearms permits Sa hunting naman, well, depende sa lugar kung 'san ka mamamaril. May mga game and wildlife reserves tayo na off-limits sa hunting, mayron naman hindi pero may bag limit sa game. Pag ganito, you need to get a hunting permit from the government. AFAIR, either sa DENR or sa DA ka kukuha. Dati sa Bureau of Forestry and Aquatic Resources kami kumukuha.

I'm gonna jump in here guys if it's ok. I'm a filipino airgun hunter based in the states but I hunt in the philippines too. There are few things that you should know.

You are not required to have a license to own an airgun. They do require that you register your airgun at crame. It's a simple process, and I think it is just 100 pesos to do. A majority of airgun owners don't do this, but lately, there has been a resurgence in high quality airguns like the Filarms Tornado, JBC pcp rifle, and others that are pretty pricey, so it pays to register so you don't get it confiscated by local kotong kops.

We hunt what are called "game birds", these are birds that are generally acceptable for hunting because of several factors. One would be their presence as a nuisance to farmers, their taste (most are delicacies), and mostly for the general dificulty in hunting them. Among these are the bato bato (of which there are different types), tikling (rail or moorhen), snipe, and wild ducks, to name a few. We don't go running around the countryside shooting mayas and tarats.

To get into the the guns we use, the modern air rifle is a formidable tool in the right hands. Meron pa rin mga co2 and such, but most avid hunters nowadays have switched over to PCP. That means Pre-Charged Pneumatic. Pre charged because we still use an air reservoir, but the difference is, it is COMPRESSED, usually at around 3200 psi. Compare that to co2 which is usually around 900-1200psi. Also, unlike c02 that only gets you about 7-8 shots before you have to recharge, our modern PCP airguns get between 30-50 shots in between refills. Another nice thing is that you don't have to go the c02 refiller to recharge your tanks. We use pumps! These look like bicycle pumps on steroids, hehe. Also, PCP rifles propel pellets at almost 22 LR speeds, so the distances that you can shoot now are a bit further than when you use springers or co2 rifles. Some of my friends have taken shots at 60 - 70 meters. These are very high precision rifles that can put pellets inside of a 25 centavo coin at 30 meters. This level of precision gives us the ability to make "clean kills" (headshots, neck shots) , we also don't like to see our prey suffer. Gone are the days when we used to pray before taking the shot and hope for a hit hehe. We can usually call where the pellet will strike nowadays.

Other hunters still use shotguns and 22lr to hunt. The drawback of that is, well, it is now illegal. The DENR has banned hunting in all areas and frowns upon hunting in general. Mahirap mahuli with a shotgun or a 22LR, unless you have connections. Whereas, hunting with an airgun is still generally acceptable in the countryside, most farmers welcome it because you are ridding their fields of pest birds who eat their seeds and seedlings. Dapat low profile ka lang. I'm not telling you to break any laws, but hunting is still a pastime enjoyed by thousands, it is a safe and enjoyable sport, mejo napag initan lang ng ibang walang kwentang politicians. I won't get into that here, hehe. Another nice thing: Airguns can be silenced. Literally as one of my partners call it, parang "mousefart". It has introduced a whole new dimension to our hunting as we don't disturb the game birds as much as when you fire a 22LR or shotgun that echoes throughout the countryside. =) You also don't freak out the farmers and people in the areas that you hunt. It lets you enjoy your sport in peace.

I hope this has helped, and let me give you a few links to lead the way.

There is much to learn here:
Philippine Airguns Yahoo Group

You can see the see the Filarms Tornado (a PCP rifle) here:
Filarms Tornado

This is an american site where you can learn a whole lot more about airguns:
James Kitching's Airgun Forum

Or you can always message me or email me at philhunters*yahoo.com. I'll be happy to help you get into the sport.

- Chris

[yebo]

meron na ban ngayon airgun na meron magazine na pwede i load marming pellets then baril na lang ng baril untilmaubos yun gas?

meron kami ginamit dati ng college friend ko it had a tube magazine on the side that can load 10 pellets. the "chamber" was actually in line with the tube magazine and when you pull the trigger it rotates by spring pressure to line itself up with the barrel and air valve. think of revolver chamber but it only has one hole for one pellet. after it "fires" it automatically returns and lines up with the tube magazine again and receives another pellet. it is gas operated to cock the hammer that hits on the air valve and to return the chamber in line with the magazine. medyo mahina lang nga kasi short barreled siya, about 10 inches barrel lang. di ko na alam kung nasa friend ko pa ito, saka di ko na nakikita ang damuho e. don't know the make either.

[FPJ]

Mang-hunting na lang kayo ng mga magnanakaw at yun ang barilin nyo ....wawa naman ang mga bird!

[Flagg]

Mga guru, ask ko lang, legal ba to airgun stray cats? If legal, pede na ba airgun sa kanila? Wouldn't wanna use firearms, too alarming.

No offense to cat lovers (in fact, I used to like em) but they have done a great deal of damage to our cars' underwiring, and I don't think our neighbors would mind kasi tinutumba/kinakalat ng mga cats basurahan nila e.

[oldblue]

Mga guru, ask ko lang, legal ba to airgun stray cats? If legal, pede na ba airgun sa kanila? Wouldn't wanna use firearms, too alarming.

No offense to cat lovers (in fact, I used to like em) but they have done a great deal of damage to our cars' underwiring, and I don't think our neighbors would mind kasi tinutumba/kinakalat ng mga cats basurahan nila e.

stray cats? like you before, I hated stray cats. one time I went home alone very late. our garage hallway was very dark as well as our garden set. then I saw this cat staring and raising her paws at something ... alas! the biggest black snake I ever saw wrapped around one chair of our garden set. the cat was aggressively poking the snake and I ran inside my car scared sh!t. after some 15 minutes or so, the snake slithered down the floor tiles while the cat chased it into the darkness.

stray cats have some use, after all. they're part of a foodchain that I still dont understand yet. but I'm very grateful.