HELP: Purchasing a Dog

[OTEP]

Pasensya na mga ka-tropa, wala talaga kong alam pagdating sa living things (hence my profession ). Namatay kasi yung alagang Shitzu namin the other day. Gusto ni commander palitan. Kaso wala naman kami [lalo na AKO] masyado alam about choosing and purchasing dogs. Galing kasi sa kaibigan niya yung original na shitzu.

*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?

Thanks!

[B2Bomber]

di ako expert at baka magkamali ako, so ang maipapayo ko siguro browse ka sa site ng Pedigree, marami akong napulot dun nuon na info.

*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?

pero AFAIK: sa mga q na 'to ang masasabi ko, yung kasing price is depende kung pedigree o maganda yung lineage nung aso (say, anak ni so and so na dog show champion, etc.), sa pagkilatis naman ng aso, kung di mo isasali sa show, siguro just make sure na lang na healthy sya etc. otherwise, kailangan mong pintahan kung ano yung mga traits na kailangan para manalo sya sa show, yung papers: yung certificate, usually sa mga pedigree o maganda ang bloodline, pagpapatunay yan na ang price nila ay tama lang dahil galing nga raw kuno sa lahi ng champion. were as yung sa medical papers naman, is well... self explanatory na yun para sa mga katulad mong nasa industrya ng kalusugan. hehehe. sana nakatulong ako kahit konti.

[jk.c_06]

*OTEP

*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
- Hindi ko alam paano pumili, pero may mga websites na nagsasabi kung ano ang ideal para sa isang Shitzu. The best bumili sa mga breeders mismo; tingin ka sa buy and sell. Yung mga nasa petshops kasi most of the time pinagpilian na.

*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
- Depende sa pedigree, pero typically nasa 10k ang male at 12k naman ang female. Minsan may mga mababang magbenta, o kaya pwedeng makipaghaggle lalo na kung lumalaki na yung mga pups.

*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?
- Tingin ko pwede kung walang papers, kaso medyo bihira yung ganito sa experience ko. Kung susumahin mo kasi wala kang talo sa may papers eh. Kapag walang papers yung male baka wala ng magpastud, o kung meron man mura bayad at malabong pumayag na puppy ang palit. Kapag female naman typically nasa 5 ang anak, so kung ibebenta mo (kahit hindi ka breeder) tapos walang papers malaki mawawala sayo.

Ito lang nalalaman ko. Goodluck sa Shitzu. :D

[natasatanas]

punta ka dito sir, baka maka tulong:

http://forum.dog-tracker.com/

same-same tayo problema dati, except mine was choosing the right labrador. mababait at okay mga tao dyan. HTH

[baludoy]

aside form the dog tracker forum try this pre: philpets.proboards74.com/index.cgi. ok din mga tao dyan or you can even try bidshot and ebay's pet section

happy hunting

[rlp1099]

advice ko lang sa inyo is to allow for the grieving of a lost dog muna

minsan its not the best move to get a new "replacement" immediately

[Chip]

Hi Doc,

here's my 2 cents:


*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?

First of all you have to ask yourself why you want the dog. From your post, I assume it will only be as a pet/companion not show. Try to familiarize yourself with the breed standard, this site may help: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/shihtzu.htm

You choose the dog based on its conformation to the breed standard, of course if for pet lang gusto mo, then theres no need to be too strict but dapat overall it conforms to the standard. ( you can also use the non-conformation para tawaran yung aso(if you like him/her) hehe-just like pointing out defects when buying a car para matawaran)
Now it would be better to buy from people who have these as companions or the reputable breeders(those who breed for show) and not the puppy-millers(kasi usually they indiscriminately breed-so kawawa yung living conditions ng aso, they dont conform to breed standard etc). When buying, look around the environment, do they live in clean cages, are they given enough food, or is the seller in such a rush to sell them off para less mouths to feed?
Sa pricing, im not too familiar but you can use the above strategy para matawaran or you can specifically ask the breeder for a pet-quality pup.


*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?
In your case, papers are not important. Even a grand champion sire and dam can produce pet quality pups. Judge a dog with your eyes and not with its pedigree. Also, people use the papers as an excuse to jack up the price, kesyo anak sya ni champion etc etc. Wag ka pasilaw sa papers, ang importante is conformation.

If you do plan to breed, and want to improve the line, then papers would be important for tracing the lineage and trying to improve upon strengths and weed out weaknesses. However mga 20% lang cguro of breeders out there really do this to improve the breed. Most just want papers para mataasan nila ang presyo.

I hope this helps doc. Good luck in finding your new companion.

[nicolodeon]

Boss Otep, pag nakabili ka ng shitzu, ipa mate mo sa bulldog para unique ang anak. :naughty:

[rsnald]

Boss Otep, pag nakabili ka ng shitzu, ipa mate mo sa bulldog para unique ang anak. :naughty:

ano tawag dun sa offspring... bull-sh*tzu?

[nicolodeon]

Seriously Boss Otep, here are my two cents for your questions:

Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
Your best bet would be to look for breeders who advertise and buy from them. You would want to look for breeders who are associated with the PCCI because dogs from PCCI breeders almost always have good stock and lineage.

Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
The price of the dog depends on the breed and lineage. If the lineage of the dog you're buying comes from a long line of competition winners, then the price would be around that range. It also depends on how the dog "looks". Kahit minsan kasi pang competition yung line pero hindi maganda yung balahibo or arrangement nung markings (spots if you want to call it that), dun sa aso, mas mura. Mas mahal naman ang females na galing sa competition linee compared sa male.

Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
Yes, makakabili ka. I got a shitzu and a lhasa apso from a PCCI-accredited breeder about 2-years ago. I got each for 8K. Fortunately for me, may papel silang dalawa.

Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?
Well, depende. Kung isasali mo sa competition, kailangan yung papel at, preferably, PCCI certification. Kung ibebenta mo yung mga anak, mas mataas ang magiging presyo nung pups kung yung parents eh parehong may papers. Kung ipapa-stud mo naman or magpapastud ka sa breeder, malamang mag hanap ng papers yun.

[jk.c_06]

*rsnald

Bullsh*t!

[IIE]

Pasensya na mga ka-tropa, wala talaga kong alam pagdating sa living things (hence my profession ). Namatay kasi yung alagang Shitzu namin the other day. Gusto ni commander palitan. Kaso wala naman kami [lalo na AKO] masyado alam about choosing and purchasing dogs. Galing kasi sa kaibigan niya yung original na shitzu.

*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers?
*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?

Thanks!

sir otep, eto suggestion ko sayo. kung kukuha ka ng shitzu, check mo po yun pedigree, pedigree means yun certificate, o yun birth certificate, birth history ng dam and sire, (FAther and mother) meron red marks don means champion ang sire/dam. also para sure ka, check mo ulit sa pcci office the certificate(pedigree) meron serial number don. also yun can check dog-tracker.com sa shitzu site, pede ka naman makipagtawaran sa price.

Boss Otep, pag nakabili ka ng shitzu, ipa mate mo sa bulldog para unique ang anak.

to sir, nicolodeon naku sir, na-offend ako don, maraming galit sa mga taong nagmate or stud sa different breed. wag mo po sanang ikasama ng loob but galit ang mga breeder sa ganun.

ang pag-aalaga ng dog or animal ay tulad ng pag-alaga mo sa anak mo, or sa sarili mo. wag naman po sanang ma-oofend. to sir otep goodluck po sa paghanap ng shitzu.

[nicolodeon]

to sir, nicolodeon naku sir, na-offend ako don, maraming galit sa mga taong nagmate or stud sa different breed. wag mo po sanang ikasama ng loob but galit ang mga breeder sa ganun.

ang pag-aalaga ng dog or animal ay tulad ng pag-alaga mo sa anak mo, or sa sarili mo. wag naman po sanang ma-oofend.

IIE, none taken. My apologies for the joke. As for taking care of pets, I exactly know what you mean - I have at home (and at my mom's place) what my late granny used to call a "mini zoo".

[mazdamazda]

OTEP... ipatanong ko sa GF ko kasi nag breed siya before and may mga kakilala pa siyang nagbebenta ng doggies... female and kahit walang papers right?

[sauman]

Being active sa pag aalaga ng pets sa ngayon (breeding of African Lovebirds), I suggest punta ka dito sa phil site na ito , mga tips at pati na mga for sale na dogs sa breeder's depot section dami dito www.philippinepetfinder.com www.pinoybirdsters.com (yes, may dog section din dito) at www.pinoypet.com

[66bunny]

Otep! Lot's of good advices here. Here's mine:

Pasensya na mga ka-tropa, wala talaga kong alam pagdating sa living things (hence my profession ). Namatay kasi yung alagang Shitzu namin the other day. Gusto ni commander palitan. Kaso wala naman kami [lalo na AKO] masyado alam about choosing and purchasing dogs. Galing kasi sa kaibigan niya yung original na shitzu.

*Pano ba pumili ng Shitzu? Saan ba maganda bumili?
- From breeders only. Don't buy from cartimars or petshops sa malls. Chances are puppy millers mga yan. They have a bad practice of bitches getting pregnant twice a year para lang kumita. Never mind the state of health of the dogs.

*Medyo mahal kasi for me yung Php 12K for a shitzu, saan ba makakabili ng cheaper and paano ba kinikilatis ang aso?
- You have better chances if you buy from reputable breeders since they take care of their dogs. Price is subjective, you see a dog, it melts you heart, you buy it, you forget the money.

*Makakabili na ba ko ng female shitzu pup for Php5-8K? Even yung no papers? - Yep you can buy without papers. For me it's not important since I don't have plans of breeding them for business. My idea of dog is a pet, companion, friend, that's all. I don't give a hoot about show quality or "correct" breed.

*Gaano nga pala kaimportante ang papers?
- Papers are important if you plan on selling/breeding your dog. It determines the red marks (champion line). The more red marks, the more expensive, the more chances of having good future breeds.

While on the subject of dogs, why not adopt instead? PAWS have lots of askals up for adoption. If it's not your thing, ok lang.

I have a soft heart for askals.


Thanks!

[blinker]

it seems you can get all the advice you needed na... pero i'll try to share some stuff narin with you my dad is a breeder of dogs (actually parang zoo na haus namin sa dami ng pets) pero yung big types like rotweilers and mastifs. i now own a tea-cup size chiuawa. here are he few advices my dad gave me(im planning to buy a new dog kc)

1. what is the purpose of your dog? pet? toy? companion? playmate? show? breed?
-it seems na ur looking for a pet/ toy (being a shitzu), so kahit hindi pure ok lang, and uso ngayon yan sa states mix breeds are more expensive na sa states. satin dito pag mixbreed super cheap la daw kc value.
-breed/ show papers are really important, also when you sell its puppies you can get it for a much higher price
2. what is your personality? do you wnat it the dog's to fit yours? are you active? masipag ka ba?
-if your active i suggest you get a jack russel their very active and makulit lots of energy sarap kalaro
-kung masipag ka then long haired dogs might work for kc you'll have to comb them everyday so on and so on...
-if not then get a short haired dog

here are some options you can choose from:
mini pincher-easy maintenance, active, super maingay
shitzu- hard to maintain, fun-loving, cuddly, not that active
chiwawa- easy maintenance, poops really small, wise, very playful
pomeranian- hard to maintenance, poops really small, wise, very playful
bull terrier- easy maintenance, active
yorksheir- hard to maintenance, poops really small, wise, very playful, very expensive
mini ducksian- easy maintenance, very playful
*still each dog has their own personality

if you really wnat a shitzu i know someone selling them mga 4K lang ata pm me nalang if your decided na, no papers to.

[baiskee]

baka pwede nga kahit walang papers... tutal mukhang di naman i-sho-show yung aso.

medyo dapat maalaga lang sa grooming yan kasi mabalahibo..kaya dapat alaga sa suklay.

[OTEP]

Its just something to liven up everyday boredom. And para may companion yung isang shih tzu.

Hindi din ako mahilig sa grooming eklat, kaya pinapakalbo na lang namin during the hot weather days. hehehe.

Sir blinker, interested po ako sa offer mo.

Guys, salamat sa mga payo. I really appreciate them.

[flakez]

*otep makisingit na rin ako ha. hehehe

*blinker, pag may natira pa pm din ako. balak din namin bumili eh. hehehe