Water as Fuel / HHO Technology [Merged Threads]

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 10:55 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBw1DK8QWw

**Chip** · May 22nd, 2006 11:06 AM

whats the difference between HHO and H20? arent they both 2 molecules of hydrogen bonded with one molecule of oxygen?

**yebo** · May 22nd, 2006 11:16 AM

H2O = water
HOH = hydrogen peroxide
HHO = scam

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 11:19 AM

HHO is produced by spliting H2O. How it is done? I have no idea.

The best part of this technology is, when you burn the HHO gas it turns bak into water. That is a perfect green technology!

But it would be more than 10 years before we can get an affordable comercial form of this technology into our cars.

**mazdamazda** · May 22nd, 2006 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by CoDer

HHO is produced by spliting H2O. How it is done? I have no idea.

I've just finished re-reading the articles... and it does get weirder!

What they are proposing in their electrolysis process is that they are able to get H2, H (monoatomic!!!) & 02.

AFAIK... creation of a monoatomic Hydrogen can only be done on really low temperatures since it is very unstable.

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

What they are proposing in their electrolysis process is that they are able to get H2, H (monoatomic!!!) & 02.

AFAIK... creation of a monoatomic Hydrogen can only be done on really low temperatures since it is very unstable.

Oh bother... Is that some form of kryptonite?

**mazdamazda** · May 22nd, 2006 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by CoDer

Oh bother... Is that some form of kryptonite?

oh wait... they retracted their initial theory...

It now seems more clear; Brown's Gas is just 'expanded water molecules'. Brown's Gas is too heavy to be mon-atomic, it is even too heavy to be di-atomic; but it is exactly the right weight to be water-gas (di-hydrogen oxide in gaseous form).

I currently think that Brown's Gas is water and that it is water that has absorbed electricity like a sponge absorbs water. I think that the atomic bonds are NOT broken, so Brown's Gas is STILL WATER; just in a high energy gaseous form that is NOT steam.

expanded water molecules? hmmmmmmmm...

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

just in a high energy gaseous form that is NOT steam.

Hehehe... Anong klaseng gas kaya yan?

**ghosthunter** · May 22nd, 2006 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

oh wait... they retracted their initial theory...

expanded water molecules? hmmmmmmmm...

Must be related to PI-Water.

**ghosthunter** · May 22nd, 2006 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by CoDer

HHO is produced by spliting H2O. How it is done? I have no idea.

When you split H2O (water), you get H2 & O2 and not HHO. There is no such thing as HHO.

The best part of this technology is, when you burn the HHO gas it turns bak into water. That is a perfect green technology!

But it would be more than 10 years before we can get an affordable comercial form of this technology into our cars.

You missed one very vital thing. In a ideal world, the energy you get from "burning" H2 & O2 should be the same to split H2O. But in the real world, you have to deal with entropy, frictional losses and system inefficiencies.

As a system to power anything by itself, it will never happen. The proposed system is like trying to make a perpetual motion machine.

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

You missed one very vital thing. In a ideal world, the energy you get from "burning" H2 & O2 should be the same to split H2O. But in the real world, you have to deal with entropy, frictional losses and system inefficiencies.

As a system to power anything by itself, it will never happen. The proposed system is like trying to make a perpetual motion machine.

Nope, I don't.

Maybe I just sounded that I believe in the technology at point blank. I never even tried to explain it because I'm not qualified, all the more in debunking it.

I'm not that stupid, and I'm not that arrogant either. It's just that maybe we have something here, give it 20 years or more.

It's not my money.

**ghosthunter** · May 22nd, 2006 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by CoDer

Nope, I don't.

Then how do you propose a purely "water powered machine" (car, blender, whatever) would work? How will it overcome entropy?

Maybe I just sounded that I believe in the technology at point blank. I never even tried to explain it because I'm not qualified, all the more in debunking it.

Given the effort you are giving to support your "theory", it seems that you know something we don't. Or maybe you are simply covering up for something else?

If you say it works, give us something concrete that supports your "theory".

I'm not that stupid,

...could have fooled me.

... and I'm not that arrogant either.

that remains to be proven.

It's just that maybe we have something here, give it 20 years or more.

LOL!... at first he mentions 10 years for this "technology" to mature ... and now he mentions 20 years. It seems you have no faith for your own "theory".

**ghosthunter** · May 22nd, 2006 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by CoDer

...because I'm not qualified, all the more in debunking it.

So what are you QUALIFIED for? You can't debunk nor can you support your own theory. So what are you supporting in this discussion thread?

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

So what are you QUALIFIED for? You can't debunk nor can you support your own theory. So what are you supporting in this discussion thread?

Bwhahahahahaaa... Oh my, I sudenly became Klein.

My own theory?
car, blender, or whatever?
Qualification?

Are you crazy or something moderator?

My own theory... oh my...

**mazdamazda** · May 22nd, 2006 11:21 AM

the report is misleading.

the car doesn't run on pure water... it uses HH0 (from H20) to augment the gasoline engine (hydrogen injection / hydro boost).

his gas generator (welding, cutting, etc.) machine also uses electricity to break down H20 to HH0. what is interesting is that the electrolysis process is much more efficient that previous applications... but still, more energy is needed to split H20 than the energy produced from HH0.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...plications_Inc

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by mazdamazda

What is interesting is that the electrolysis process is much more efficient that previous applications... but still, more energy is needed to split H20 than the energy produced from HH0.

We have to understand that the technology is still young. It's like a vacum tube computer that takes a room and a bunch of highly technical personnel to operate it compared to a laptop we have now.

**mazdamazda** · May 22nd, 2006 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by CoDer

We have to understand that the technology is still young. It's like a vacum tube computer that takes a room and a bunch of highly technical personnel to operate it compared to a laptop we have now.

electrolysis has been around for a hundred years already.

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 11:44 AM

I am refering to HHO application.

**mazdamazda** · May 22nd, 2006 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by CoDer

I am refering to HHO application.

well... HHO is still produced by electrolysis...

**CoDer** · May 22nd, 2006 12:06 PM

Oo nga. You can't produce HHO from H2O without electrolysis.

Let's clear the air.

1. We can't burn water.
2. We subject water to an electrolysis to produce HHO.
3. We need water to get HHO.
3. We can burn HHO.

This means water as an alternative source for the fuel is indeed scientificaly feasible.

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