Sino walang Antivirus sa PC?

[AeonBlaire]

Ako wala haha.. Windows Firewall lang

And my last OSRE was 3rd Quarter 2005! hehehe :dude:

[Syuryuken]

ako wala ding antivirus

[etneroll]

why? what's so good for not having a anti virus in your pc? isn't it a necessity as far as pc safety is concerned?

[AeonBlaire]

In my experience lang sa HOME computing,
Some Antivirus software is a resource hog.
Some Antivirus software complicates things, that should've been very simple.
In short some Antivirus software are inefficient.

Para din namang sasakyan ang PC, the most efficient safety mechanism is the user.

Pde naman ma-prevent ang viruses and other malicious software kung filtered mga pumapasok sa PC e. So the most efficient filter is the user mismo .

Ewan ko na lang sa ibang computing environments.

[donski]

para sa akin dapat meron kang anti-virus lalo na kong lagi kang gumagamit ng flash drive or remomable memory ambilis kumalat ng virus lalo na ang mga auto run virus marami namang mga free version na anti-virus at dapat meron ding firewall

[Jun aka Pekto]

In my experience lang sa HOME computing,
Some Antivirus software is a resource hog.
Some Antivirus software complicates things, that should've been very simple.
In short some Antivirus software are inefficient.

Para din namang sasakyan ang PC, the most efficient safety mechanism is the user.

Pde naman ma-prevent ang viruses and other malicious software kung filtered mga pumapasok sa PC e. So the most efficient filter is the user mismo .

Ewan ko na lang sa ibang computing environments.

So long as you don't surf pr0n sites or use p2p to download and then visit here. This site has a high (relatively speaking) incidence of spyware, at least compared to other forums when I make my rounds.

It seems ok lately. But, I'm still not letting my guard down. The Mac Mini caught something when I used Safari here. It may also have been from my daughter using my Mini. Either way, I stopped using the Mini for surfing here.

Whenever I surf here, everything in the arsenal's fully loaded and updated.

The last time a trojan/worm/virus got through to my pc was back when I still used Windows 98SE around late 1999. The last time a virus did massive damage to my computer was way back when I was still using a Commodore Amiga A500, say 1990. And yes, I used to bootleg back then when I was still young, stupid, and relatively poor.

[deedee]

i dont have antivirus,firewall,adaware(or any software that watches for mallware and the likes)
i surf the net everyday,play online(BF2142 64 players),**** surfing,P2P,limewire.
i hardly get any virus(probably bout 2-3 years ago when i had one)
i do have an antivurs program installed and i only use those programs when it gets infected to clean it but other tha that...its always turned off.(and i have a 20MB download speed internet connection to boot)

[Jun aka Pekto]

i dont have antivirus,firewall,adaware(or any software that watches for mallware and the likes)
i surf the net everyday,play online(BF2142 64 players),**** surfing,P2P,limewire.
i hardly get any virus(probably bout 2-3 years ago when i had one)
i do have an antivurs program installed and i only use those programs when it gets infected to clean it but other tha that...its always turned off.(and i have a 20MB download speed internet connection to boot)

Just wondering how often do you do finances/buy stuff online with that pc?
My gaming pc is much more relaxed too. But, it's rarely on the web except when I play BF1942DCX/BF2 with relatives and my daughter when she plays WoW.

This laptop I'm on now is for casual use as well. It's relaxed when I surf my trusted sites. But when I go to sites like here, it's "SHIELDS UP and ENGAGE CLOAK" time. There were at least a couple of times (here at Tsikot.com) back in 2006 when I encountered home page redirects as well as suspicious certificate errors, not to mention that 5 million views Taco Bell thread which was probably a DOS attack. So, I have reasons to take precautions.

I have dualcores now. So antivirus software being a hog isn't a concern. I have cable broadband which is still quite fast with wide pipelines as well. I can surf, play online, and have AVG do a scan all at once without feeling the pinch.

I do have a pc strictly for finances and it's "armed to the teeth".

For those with no protection whatsoever. I hope you guys are familiar with rootkits. They're nasty little f****rs and hard to get rid of.

I do have Symantec Endpoint Protection 11 which can prevent rootkit attacks and is both server and client level.

[tsupermario]

para sa akin dapat meron kang anti-virus lalo na kong lagi kang gumagamit ng flash drive or remomable memory ambilis kumalat ng virus lalo na ang mga auto run virus marami namang mga free version na anti-virus at dapat meron ding firewall

+1. once i edited a document in my flash drive using a PC not mine and when i tried to access it using my laptop, the AV started screaming. 300+ docs infected in just over 30 minutes of editing.

if you're wary of some AV being resource hogs viruses, adware and spyware can slow your system to a crawl.

[ssaloon]

dont have one on my macbook :D

[roninblade]

dont have any installed on my macbook and ubuntu linux desktop.
mas masarap talaga pag di windows ang gamit - less risk of catching crap online.

[mr_incredible]

dont have any installed on my macbook and ubuntu linux desktop.
mas masarap talaga pag di windows ang gamit - less risk of catching crap online.

+1 on this. Naka dual-boot yung PC ko with XP and Ubuntu. Kung di ko kailangan gumamit ng Windows programs while connected to the internet, I just log on to Ubuntu to surf the net.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Even OSX and Linux are vulnerable to rootkits. These aren't your typical executable or script kiddie exploits.

[need4speed]

totally agree with Jun here...

i'm in the security industry and it's quite appalling that some of you here don't have any AV software at all.

just a reminder to everyone. no AV software see's 100% of malcious software. so just because you ran it a few times and don't see anything, that you're all fine (i use a combination of tools - most of which aren't available to the average joe). rootkits indeed are very pesky and cannot be seen by regular AV software.

there are a whole of other pesky stuff out there like keyloggers (capture anything you type and is sent to the person who installed the keylogging softare - i.e. bank accounts, passwords, etc), trojan horses (malicious program hiding behind a legit program), phishing sites (sites (i.e. a bank) that look like a real site - with a slightly different URL from the original site (i.e. www.hsbc.com.ph vs. www.hsbc.ph ), etc etc etc...

firewalls that are improperly configured aren't very helpful either. so even if you have one and the ports that are needed by malicious software or hackers are open, then you're dead anyway.

in any case, my philosophy is, better safe than sorry. i have a number of colleagues who had whole bank accounts wiped out (on their personal machines) due to being so lax in security. would you want to be one of them? ;)

[Jun aka Pekto]

totally agree with Jun here...

i'm in the security industry and it's quite appalling that some of you here don't have any AV software at all.

just a reminder to everyone. no AV software see's 100% of malcious software. so just because you ran it a few times and don't see anything, that you're all fine (i use a combination of tools - most of which aren't available to the average joe). rootkits indeed are very pesky and cannot be seen by regular AV software.

there are a whole of other pesky stuff out there like keyloggers (capture anything you type and is sent to the person who installed the keylogging softare - i.e. bank accounts, passwords, etc), trojan horses (malicious program hiding behind a legit program), phishing sites (sites (i.e. a bank) that look like a real site - with a slightly different URL from the original site (i.e. www.hsbc.com.ph vs. www.hsbc.ph ), etc etc etc...

firewalls that are improperly configured aren't very helpful either. so even if you have one and the ports that are needed by malicious software or hackers are open, then you're dead anyway.

in any case, my philosophy is, better safe than sorry. i have a number of colleagues who had whole bank accounts wiped out (on their personal machines) due to being so lax in security. would you want to be one of them? ;)

It's kind of scary with the new generation of malware out there.

Also, with concern to OSX being vulnerable...... Right now, most of the vulnerablilities are potential. It's a matter of someone taking advantage of that potential. At least for the short term, OSX without anti-virus protection is still relatively safe.

Can't say the same for Linux, though. There actually are rootkit exploits that target Linux.

[roninblade]

hmmm... lipat nalang ako open/freeBSD. openBSD - "secure by default". actually, i've been thinking of trying out the new freeBSD v.7. for my desktop - looks quite good from a geek's standpoint.

on the other hand, its still better to use OS X and Linux without antivirus than using windows. when im connected to PLDT DSL, every once in a while i tail (monitor real time) my firewall logs - medyo madami din interesting traffic na nakikita. I dont think an unsecure Windows box can last 10mins online without picking up some crap or being attacked right away.

[Jun aka Pekto]

hmmm... lipat nalang ako open/freeBSD. openBSD - "secure by default". actually, i've been thinking of trying out the new freeBSD v.7. for my desktop - looks quite good from a geek's standpoint.

on the other hand, its still better to use OS X and Linux without antivirus than using windows. when im connected to PLDT DSL, every once in a while i tail (monitor real time) my firewall logs - medyo madami din interesting traffic na nakikita. I dont think an unsecure Windows box can last 10mins online without picking up some crap or being attacked right away.

As a sysadmin several years ago, I had received advisories about BSD (including FreeBSD and OSX) vulnerabilities, esp with the spooler services. These weren't consumer-level advisories. They're more federal/enterprise/DoD level threats which target high-value information. Granted, they're not spyware or virus threats, but strictly hacking threats. But, that's besides the point. I learned not to rely on "inherent" secureness but on pro-active ones instead.

Linux/BSD/OSX are inherently more secure. That's why I have a Mini with Tiger and various Linux distros. But that doesn't mean they're foolproof.

When a Windows pc gets compromised, tools are readily available to deal with the problem. It's part of daily life in the platform. Not so with Unix/Linux. Since they're more robust, threats are more sophisticated which makes dealing with them harder. At least that was from my experience.

[rion]

me too. no AV. just the old sygate firewall lang. I leave my PC 24/7 with a once a month cleaning maintenance. (download freak)

I learned not to rely because of my bro in the industry. and 3 years ago my pc was 533mhz lang. kaya an AV installed is noticable in the performance. and also the old dillema of software install means another registry dirt for the OS to slow down. good thing my thinstall na tayo ngayon.

at kahit ngayon atleast Pentium IV na ako. nasanayan ko na hindi mag AV.

I do get virus from time to time from people's flashdisk. but still manualy curable with the help from google and Total Commander.

[badsekktor]

i have an av installed. if you dont install any av software, your system wont seem to have any virus or spyware until it crashes.

i actually have several filters like an external firewall, firewall routers, software filters and several antivirus programs to check my computers, plus i have several locations and computers for my backup.

[AeonBlaire]

Isang "hindi sinasadyang" advantage ng Smart Bro, and other similar ISPs against malicious inbound connection attempts: Multiple NATs hehe.

Some tips I found to somewhat make your home system more secure (Windows):
1. Turn off autorun.
2. Turn off services that are not critical and prone to maliciousness (e.g. Telnet, Remote Registry, etc.)
4. Turn off Remote Assistance and Remote Desktop (of course!)
5. Modify Local Security Policies.
6. Customize folder settings and access control e.g. show file extension para malaman kung executable ung file, baka kasi akala folder, un pala .exe, tapos ang may Full Control lang ay Owner at Administrators
7. Don't name the system installation folder as "Windows" (nakalimutan ko tong gawin last time (2005 )
8. Don't install sa Program Files, gumawa ng panibagong folder.
9. Disable and Rename Administrator and Guest account.(common na toh)

Uuhhmm kung "less than honorable" ang Windows installation, turn off na rin Automatic Updates.

Saves on resources too.

Isip pa ako. Kung meron pang maisip . Dami ko kasing customization ginagawa pag new installation ng Windows.