Sattelite dish basic

[OTEP]

Guys, with the advent of crappier and crappier cable service in Caloocan (limited channels, crappy reception, etc.), I'm thinking of putting in a sattelite dish system.

However, I'm a newbie to this kind of technology and I have tons of questions I'd like to ask.

I'm also not too keen on buying those 'pre-packaged' Dream (or whatever it is)

1. What particular model of dish do you recommend (brand, model, etc.)?
2. Any idea sa price and where to buy? (was thinking RAON)
3. Any other peripherals that I need to get (as well as the cost)?
4. How do I aim a sattelite dish, how do I get the signals to view the channels?
5. Can one sattelite dish support multiple TV sets?

Thank you very much. I have more questions to ask, I'll post when they come up.

[iRevoLution_mo]

Guys, with the advent of crappier and crappier cable service in Caloocan (limited channels, crappy reception, etc.), I'm thinking of putting in a sattelite dish system.

However, I'm a newbie to this kind of technology and I have tons of questions I'd like to ask.

I'm also not too keen on buying those 'pre-packaged' Dream (or whatever it is)

1. What particular model of dish do you recommend (brand, model, etc.)?
2. Any idea sa price and where to buy? (was thinking RAON)
3. Any other peripherals that I need to get (as well as the cost)?
4. How do I aim a sattelite dish, how do I get the signals to view the channels?
5. Can one sattelite dish support multiple TV sets?

Thank you very much. I have more questions to ask, I'll post when they come up.

Ang latest model na available i think "I Bolt 360", costs around 3.7k
as of now wala ka na makikita na nagbebenta sa raon kasi since last 2 weeks ni raid ng MPD lahat ng electronics store along raon, illegal daw kasi yung ganun na cable satellite na may zero monthly fees, pero in terms na naka kuha ka na ng satellite dish wala na sila magagawa kasi its your own property na. Yung pinagbilhan ko ng satellite dish is not in raon area, medyo malapit lang, sa tabi ng ongpin, inside binondo yung mga nagbebenta ng electronic items nad etc. yung Php3,700 na package comes with the satellite dish, reciever, mounting/bolts and screws with the manual. What you will need na lang is the coaxial cable. I suggest yung gold plated na coaxial gamitin for much clearer signal and quality.

may designated na angle ng dish and its Eas-South-North-West directional adjustment para makuha lahat ng channel, hindi siya yung basta naka mount lang sa highest and open space na area eh makukuha mo na signal. may program yung reciever wherein naka indicate dun kung ilang percent ng signal ang nasasagap ng current position setup ng satellite dish.
ask ko ate ko kung ano yung coordinates na ginamit nya sa setup ng dish.

only one satellite per television lang. i haven't tried making a split wiring para maka accomodate ng dalawang t.v. kasi sabi nila one satellite per tv lang talaga siya designed.

yung satellite link up ng mga dish na to ay sa Agila Ku. remember yung agila satellite program ng pinas before??

[boybi]

Prices of satellite dish + decoders range from around 6K to 10K. Usually, the seller will install the system for you.

You'll need several decoders if you'll watch satellite feeds in more than 1 TV.

[moejun2]

i have 2 units here, both get channels from agila sat, the same sat that dream tv uses. total price of lnb, dish, box, coax is 5000. 4500 if you buy 10 units or more. i get my stuff from eggpa trading. as of the moment, the virgin really smart card is good since it's autoroll/auto update. check out eggpa's site at filsat.com.ph if you're interested.
yeah, you can get cheaper stuff from raon but i'm not sure about aftersales service.

[flakez]

is this completely legal? tagal ko ng pinag-iisipan to eh. hehe

[Horsepower]

prices start at 3.5k for the sets.

Im still reading up what to buy/ look for para di ako magkamali ng bili.

so far,

1. You should get the Virgin branded red card (unlimited).

[boybi]

Kamura nalang pala ng satellite dish sets ngayon?!?! Sa presyong yan, pwede ng magkabit ng 1 satellite per TV

[iRevoLution_mo]

prices start at 3.5k for the sets.

Im still reading up what to buy/ look for para di ako magkamali ng bili.

so far,

1. You should get the Virgin branded red card (unlimited).

actually lahat ng binebenta na sat dish near ongpin is virgin card ang ginagamit. yung logo na parang sa virgin records

[iRevoLution_mo]

is this completely legal? tagal ko ng pinag-iisipan to eh. hehe

its totally illegal, actually nga yung commercial na nakikita ko from dream sat na "do not patronize any cable service which offers zero monthly fees, please inform our local authority ....(can't remember kung anu pa yung mga sumunod na sinabi".

pero tingin ko kasi in terms na naka acquire ka na at installed na inside ng resident mo yung sat dish considered private property mo na yun, and wala silang karapatan para i check or investigate kung anu purpose ng satellite dish mo. huwag ka lang papahuli na bumubili nung sat dish.

[Galactus]

Over at PEX, there's an interesting thread about a satellite dish provider...

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...ight=satellite

Medyo mahal nga lang at 7k, at medyo may bumabatikos. It's up to you guys to decide...

[s_quilicot]

OTEP,

i have a friend who previously worked at dream that sells satellite dish.

he'll install it to you for free.

good for 3 years ata ang isang card na kasama sa pagbili.

[CVT]

The card should be autoroll/ autoupdate. Else, you cannot decode the signal when the providers change their downlink code/scramble/encryption. I would imagine them doing this security exercise regularly.....

Of course, there are free-to-air broadcasts...

7606:mobile1:

[OldSchoolHack]

Sabi sa ibang forums malapit na mawala ang signal ng ganitong hacked satellite setup.

Sana nga tutuo. Kasi hindi na ako makatulog ng maayos. Pati mga neighbors ko. Napaadik kami kapapanuod sa History, Etc, Solar Sports, Discovery, Animal Planet, Nicolodeon, Animax, Star, HBO, BIO, Hallmark, etc. etc.

Miss ko na nga mag DVD o PS3 na lang....

[Horsepower]

Hehehe, that's not gonna happen. At least, I don't think so. Di ganun kadali mag-implement ng measures. It's gonna cost a lot of money. Currently, the world economy is in a recession (and it's not even yet at its peak), so malabo yan.

Besides, marami pa namang ibang satellites na pwede natin kuhanan ng feed. hehehe.

[don2x]

dito marami nagbebenta.
pili na kayo
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/vi...ennas+/+Cables

[StraightSix]

Sabi sa ibang forums malapit na mawala ang signal ng ganitong hacked satellite setup.

Google mo Sky Box ng British Sky Broadcasting ...

I don't know when they first used the system but I've been in the UK since 2001 and the subscription SIM card hasn't changed yet. AFAIK, hanggang ngayon hack-proof yung card. Without a subscription card, the proprietary satellite box will not function even for FTA (Free-To-Air) broadcasts. Furthermore, the activation gets done thru data link (via phone line) that should be left connected to the sat box. The subscription is tied to your phone number. Kaya hindi umubra yang pre-programming sa card.

Kaya mahirap kahit may extra Sky receiver ka ... you need another active card to use it, which costs £10/month more. Kung deactivated na yung card (like canceled subscription), Free-To-Air channels lang mapapanood mo, pero naka-lock naman yung satbox sa Astra satellite.

BTW, when we visited relatives in Australia, I saw the same type of system in use by their cableTV provider ... same box, same remote ... cable nga lang instead of satellite.

[s_quilicot]

pero downside ng ganitong system is bad weather.


minsan umambon lang or lumakas hangin, bad signal agad.

[StraightSix]

pero downside ng ganitong system is bad weather.


minsan umambon lang or lumakas hangin, bad signal agad.

Dalawa lang yan ...

It's either the dish size in use is the absolute minimum ... or the dish is being thrown off its aim (e.g. due to the wind) - or both.

Atmospheric moisture degrades microwave signals. And because the wavelength is very small, millimetric differences do matter a lot.

Get a bigger and sturdier dish.

I've got a (small) 60cm dish bolted on the side of my house. Rain or snow, gale or blizzard ... perfect picture pa rin.

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OTEP, madali lang mag-DIY sa satellite TV. But the first thing you need to know is which satellite to use. That particular satellite will determine the minimum dish size you can use, where to aim it, and the type of module/card that your satellite box is going to need.

If you need more than one TV, get a Twin- or Quad-LNB. The LNB is the feed on the focal point of the dish. You need a cable run from each LNB in use.

When fine-tuning the aim of the dish, it's a lot easier if you have a satfinder meter. It's hard to rely on the on-screen signal meter or on the picture quality ... because the signal is digital and there is a delay for decoding digital signals. By the time you think you had the correct aim, lumagpas na yung aim mo. Fine-tuning the aim involves adjustments in millimeters.

If you need to aim the dish at more than one satellite, you may want a dish motor. After the initial setup, you only need to choose the satellite from your receiver's menu and it will automatically aim the dish. Your dish motor should be compatible to what type of control signals your receiver is using (ex. DiSEqC 1.2).

Baka isipin mo mahirap mag-aim ... all it takes is practice, a compass, and a codigo. Yan lang ang kailangan ko sa camping kapag bitbit ko yung portable sat kit ko (35cm dish).

OT - I remember your question about your old Kenwood VHF transceiver (shifting the operating fequency). That was one of the popular type of radios we used to use back in the 80's for VHF satellite comms. Buhay pa nuon yung mga Soviet satellites that accept VHF or UHF uplinks ... pwede mong kausapin nasa ibang bansa, not limited to the horizon. And because it's Ham Radio, it was free to use - during the Cold War - even for Americans.

[CVT]

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If you need more than one TV, get a Twin- or Quad-LNB. The LNB is the feed on the focal point of the dish. You need a cable run from each LNB in use.

That is your actual antenna. It is at the focal point or focus of the parabola....

The rest of the parabolic dish structure is your reflector.

This is geometry at work. The focus is equidistant from any point in the parabola and therefore, all the signals that are caught in the parabola are fedback to the focus, which is the location of your antenna...

Neat isn't it?

7606:mobile1:

[Mguy]

Would any one know if there are HD signals you could get using a satellite dish?