I don't think electric cars will ever replace internal combustion engines

[oj88]

Just consider the math...

A barrel of crude oil yields on average around 45% gasoline/petrol. The rest are jet fuel, Diesel, kerosene, LPG, lubricants, asphalt, etc... along with ingredients to produce a ton of raw materials that we take for granted. Some can be seen here: A partial list of products made from petroleum

The challenge is, what do we do with all the petrol (and all other fuels) that's been 'removed' from crude oil so we can use the remaining ingredients to make, say, bath soaps... or tires?

Unless we can figure out a way to manufacture everyday items without relying on petroleum products and cheaply, petrol and other fuels are here to stay.... and to be consumed.

[lowslowbenz]

How Much Oil is Left in the world? | Auto Expert John Cadogan | Australia - YouTube

[uls]

the shift to electric cars won't be because the Earth runs out of oil

there's still lot dead things in the ground

the shift to electric cars will be coz of government

Governments can force the phase out of ICE vehicles and car manufacturers will have to comply

[ice15]

They will not go 100%, but first world cities will make them harder to own...

Singapore is letting go of some car models as they do not comply with Euro-6... Some establishments even provide better parking slots for plug-in electric vehicles.

I honestly don't think any Manila/Philippine Mayor will have the b*11$ to prohibit internal combustion engines in their city.

Countries like ours will never let go of the internal combustion engine... Best case scenario for us are LPG/CNG (LNG for heavy vehicles).

[uls]

Pinas sobra malabo

pwede Germany, Norway, UK, France

pati China

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China is joining France and Britain in announcing plans to end sales of gasoline and diesel cars.

China's industry ministry is developing a timetable to end production and sale of traditional fuel cars and will promote development of electric technology, state media on Sunday cited a Cabinet official as saying.
The reports gave no possible target date, but Beijing is stepping up pressure on automakers to accelerate development of electrics.

[StockEngine]

Samsung's New Electric Car Batteries Boost Range to 6 Kilometers

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[uls]

point is, humans won't likely survive long enough to burn all the oil in the world

it took billions of years for plants to take enough carbon from the atmosphere to make Earth liveable for us

for the past 300 years we've been burning dead plants and releasing the carbon they trapped

even before burning up all the dead plants, the earth will already become uninhabitable for humans

[glenn manikis]

Cars possible..

But heavy equipment.. impossible yan...

Especially large capacity diesel engine... ex. 1Mw

If ever... Yung battery will be as big as a 14 storey bldg.

[oj88]

How Much Oil is Left in the world? | Auto Expert John Cadogan | Australia - YouTube

Exactly!! :D

[yebo]

not unless they come up with a battery that can be fully charged from near depleted in 5 minutes (or the time it takes you to get a full tank), no i don't think so. nobody would want to stop a journey for 4 or 5 hours midway so you can plug in.

and don't even think about hydrogen. nothing has been invented yet that can hold those small molecules and does not need to be replaced every 2 or 3 years.

[MR_BIG18]

not unless they come up with a battery that can be fully charged from near depleted in 5 minutes (or the time it takes you to get a full tank), no i don't think so. nobody would want to stop a journey for 4 or 5 hours midway so you can plug in.

and don't even think about hydrogen. nothing has been invented yet that can hold those small molecules and does not need to be replaced every 2 or 3 years.

possible, looks like its in a few years, just like fast charging on the our phone, same concept , same lithium batteries, fast charge is 50% 30mins, if we follow moore's law, even though its for processors, most tech companies strive to double their product's performance in 2 years time..if di kayang mag fast charge ng 5 mins, the range might double or triple nsman from 330kms to 1k in less than 5 years..

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[Vodka]

The challenge is, what do we do with all the petrol (and all other fuels) that's been 'removed' from crude oil so we can use the remaining ingredients to make, say, bath soaps... or tires?

well it's the other way around. the byproducts from fuels production are cheap coz we use up so much fossil fuels. once we taper off fossil fuel production then these byproducts will go up in price. the market will readjust and we'll have to find possibly more expensive alternatives but it'll be better for humanity in the long run. we'd produce a lot less plastic bags, that's a good thing right

[Vodka]

not unless they come up with a battery that can be fully charged from near depleted in 5 minutes (or the time it takes you to get a full tank), no i don't think so. nobody would want to stop a journey for 4 or 5 hours midway so you can plug in.

and don't even think about hydrogen. nothing has been invented yet that can hold those small molecules and does not need to be replaced every 2 or 3 years.

long-distances can be covered in one charge if you have a sufficiently large battery pack. for the vast majority who travel short distances only then an electric car w/ small/medium size batteries would be perfect

now for that once-a-year super long drive then yes you'll have to charge midway while eating lunch or something

[StockEngine]

toyota is close to releasing their solid state batteries 😁

hyundai ioniq has the best miles-per-kwh

gotta love tech 😊

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[oj88]

well it's the other way around. the byproducts from fuels production are cheap coz we use up so much fossil fuels. once we taper off fossil fuel production then these byproducts will go up in price. the market will readjust and we'll have to find possibly more expensive alternatives but it'll be better for humanity in the long run. we'd produce a lot less plastic bags, that's a good thing right

"Produce a lot less plastic bags" is oversimplifying it. We still need plastic for almost everything. Products from petroleum are everywhere, used in our daily lives. It's been said that there are over 6,000 items that are, one way or another, came from or was processed using crude oil.

Drilling for oil is not going to stop or slow down for EV. And without internal combustion engines to burn up the petrol, we'd literally have lakes of unused "undesired" gasoline and other fuels. Imagine what that will do to the environment.

[MR_BIG18]

the only thing thats keeping people from buying electric cars is price, due to the cost of lithium batteries, that will change soon, the only reason why the americans are in afganisthan, they found a vain of lithium worth more than a trillion dollars there....galing talaga ni bush

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[Vodka]

"Produce a lot less plastic bags" is oversimplifying it. We still need plastic for almost everything. Products from petroleum are everywhere, used in our daily lives. It's been said that there are over 6,000 items that are, one way or another, came from or was processed using crude oil.

Drilling for oil is not going to stop or slow down for EV. And without internal combustion engines to burn up the petrol, we'd literally have lakes of unused "undesired" gasoline and other fuels. Imagine what that will do to the environment.

oil production depends on demand. we all know what happens when there's oil oversupply. the price crashes and oil production stops being profitable

now take note that solar is right now already cheaper than coal. renewable energy continues getting cheaper while oil keeps getting harder and more expensive to get. see where things are going? at some point in the near future we're definitely going to start dropping oil production for purely economic reasons

take note that we use petro byproducts because they're cheap coz they're byproducts remember LOL. so it's not economically viable to pump oil just to produce these byproducts as "main product". so those lakes of gasoline isn't going to happen LOL

as we taper off oil production the cost of oil byproducts will go up, so the cost of the previously more expensive alternatives start to be become viable. i'm not a chemist but i'm pretty sure we'll find alternatives. it's not like these byproducts contain rare elements or something like that

[CVT]

Cars possible..

But heavy equipment.. impossible yan...

Especially large capacity diesel engine... ex. 1Mw

If ever... Yung battery will be as big as a 14 storey bldg.

Yup,- for all its worth,- battery technology is still way way behind the current technology-requirements.

Matter-AntiMatter powerplant-reactor modulated by dilithium crystals comes to mind...

"Beam me up Scotty"....

There has to be a jump in technology to obsolete fossil fuels...

[dr. d]

Yup,- for all its worth,- battery technology is still way way behind the current technology-requirements.

Matter-AntiMatter powerplant-reactor modulated by dilithium crystals comes to mind...

"Beam me up Scotty"....

There has to be a jump in technology to obsolete fossil fuels...

wait 'til they can replicate dilithium crystals. that way, they won't have to mine it anymore. (sa TNG yata, replicable na.)
bagsak presyo ng dilithium sa galactic market.

btw, what fuel did cochrane use, that first, fateful time...?

as an aside...
"tobacco? nobody cultivates that toxic plant now! but i suppose we can scrounge up a few leaves.. they're weeds now, growing in small patches here and there..."

OT. back to regular programming.

[oj88]

oil production depends on demand. we all know what happens when there's oil oversupply. the price crashes and oil production stops being profitable

now take note that solar is right now already cheaper than coal. renewable energy continues getting cheaper while oil keeps getting harder and more expensive to get. see where things are going? at some point in the near future we're definitely going to start dropping oil production for purely economic reasons

take note that we use petro byproducts because they're cheap coz they're byproducts remember LOL. so it's not economically viable to pump oil just to produce these byproducts as "main product". so those lakes of gasoline isn't going to happen LOL

as we taper off oil production the cost of oil byproducts will go up, so the cost of the previously more expensive alternatives start to be become viable. i'm not a chemist but i'm pretty sure we'll find alternatives. it's not like these byproducts contain rare elements or something like that

Good luck replacing petrochem to manufacture the countless raw and finished materials that requires it. There had been alternatives to the use of petrochem. Yes, I did have to research, but the sustainability for it to totally replace crude oil is questionable. It's what's referred to as the Fischer–Tropsch process, where coal, natgas, or biomass are converted to hydrocarbons. But simply put, that will just put us in the same predicament.

Fischer-Tropsch feedstock can essentially consist of any material containing carbon. The most common feedstock materials are coal, natural gas (methane), and more recently biomass. Of these three, coal and natural gas are both geological and will eventually be depleted with varying time tables. Biomass is renewable; however when it becomes the only major available feedstock, synthetic fuel production will be limited by the availability of the biomass material.

From: Fischer-Tropsch Sustainability