Desktop PCs - Do You Still Have Them?

[Walter]

Was talking about oj88's 4GB RAM system ...

[Archerfish]

I've tried it before. However, what happens is at shutdown, the ram drive must be copied to disk as an image and reloaded upon start up.

RAM Disks Explained: What They Are and Why You Probably Shouldn’t Use One

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Thank you for the link. Now I know why you shouldn't use a RAM drive. I remember with the 386 (or 286) that we don't have a hard disk so a RAM drive makes sense.

Reading everything here makes me so outdated!

[chronicle]

Big ram benefits if you have multiple tabs of firefox/chrome and working on multiple spreadsheets..
16gb is the new minimum this days

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[oj88]

Agree on the SSD but adding RAM would also help with Windows 10 ... DDR3s are quite cheap these days ... Added 8GB RAM to an i3 system with a 1GB HDD ... Performance was improved by a margin ... 4GB RAM will have your system swap pages in and out of the HDD ... The additional RAM will prevent it from doing that ... and you can open a lot of processes ... If I added an SSD, it would still be swapping pages in and out of the limited RAM ... Sure the SSD will make it boot faster but the added RAM makes it more usable when it's up and running ...

I totally agree. I might take this up with them eventually.

On swap files and SSDs.... that's a valid angle. Also, the additional read/write swap file activities would undoubtedly translate to wear and tear on the SSD.

[Jun aka Pekto]

IMO M.2 only makes sense in laptops because most have a ready slot and you can keep the stock HDD for storage. It doesn't make much sense in desktops because you have lots of bays that can hold a bigger form factor. Price difference between form factors is negligible IIRC.

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Conventional hard drives put out a lot of heat because of the moving parts, esp when gaming or when watching videos for extended periods.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Holy.... RAM disks were like a thing in the 80's and it gave us a glimpse into how fast a program would load straight from RAM. Played with it during the floppy disk era so the difference in load times were night and day. But then, it still uses up your RAM, which was a tiny 640KB in my clone PC-XT. Suffice to say, it was more of a feel-good thing than being practical.

The concept is still being used to this day but with faster memory, SRAM, and using complex algorithms to predict what to put in there for faster retrieval later. It's called cache memory (if that wasn't obvious already).

Oh, yeah. Old stuff.

Although I've known about RAM disks in MS-DOS, my first actual use of it was with the Commodore Amiga. While MS-DOS PCs were still concerned about 640k and maybe 1MB RAM, the Amiga was capable of up to 8MB or 9MB of RAM from the very start. It was convenient to offload the contents of a floppy disk into a RAM disk.

This was a later Workbench screenshot. But, the RAM Disk was always available for use....with the earliest Workbench.

[badkuk]

There are some good SSD deals on Lazada 12.12 btw. OK ba Teamgroup/Team Elite? Been hearing about them but i think mostly due to their cheapness

[chronicle]

There are some good SSD deals on Lazada 12.12 btw. OK ba Teamgroup/Team Elite? Been hearing about them but i think mostly due to their cheapness

They have been seller of drams since ddr2.
Ok ya . Just make sure the shop is reputable for warranty purposes

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[SpinCycle]

I still prefer a desktop PC for affordable gaming.

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[oj88]

Oh, yeah. Old stuff.

Although I've known about RAM disks in MS-DOS, my first actual use of it was with the Commodore Amiga. While MS-DOS PCs were still concerned about 640k and maybe 1MB RAM, the Amiga was capable of up to 8MB or 9MB of RAM from the very start. It was convenient to offload the contents of a floppy disk into a RAM disk.

This was a later Workbench screenshot. But, the RAM Disk was always available for use....with the earliest Workbench.

You’re lucky. The Amiga was the “Mac” of the era. It was used heavily in video production/broadcasting because of it’s graphics prowess. Video Toaster comes to mind Everyone drooled over it.

But more importantly, it played games in a color.... not with the dull green monochrome composite monitor that I had during that time.

[Jun aka Pekto]

You’re lucky. The Amiga was the “Mac” of the era. It was used heavily in video production/broadcasting because of it’s graphics prowess. Video Toaster comes to mind Everyone drooled over it.

But more importantly, it played games in a color.... not with the dull green monochrome composite monitor that I had during that time.

Actually, Apple already had the Macintosh and the Apple II. The Mac had a very nice spiffy desktop GUI along with great graphics and sound. The Amiga was for the poor, broke (young) dudes like myself. I got started with the Amiga prior to the NewTek Video Toaster. Workbench 1.x sucked. Non-interlaced was limited to 320x200 and 320x400. The signal was stable. But, there were also visible scan lines which were common with low-res. 640x400 was the highest res and had an interlaced signal which induced a migraine within a minute. Terrible.

The Newtek I knew back then made digitizers (flatbed scanners weren't popular back then). I had the NewTek digitizer which cost $99. Way cheaper than scanners which cost hundreds of $$$.

It was like the golden age of personal computing back then. MS-DOS PC, Mac, Apple II, Commodore 64/128/Amiga, Atari XL/ST.... Good times.

Speaking of NewTek......

I remember the NewTek Demoreel 1 from 1987. It's the more amazing because it ran off two floppy discs.

[oj88]

Actually, Apple already had the Macintosh and the Apple II. The Mac had a very nice spiffy desktop GUI along with great graphics and sound. The Amiga was for the poor, broke (young) dudes like myself. I got started with the Amiga prior to the NewTek Video Toaster. Workbench 1.x sucked. Non-interlaced was limited to 320x200 and 320x400. The signal was stable. But, there were also visible scan lines which were common with low-res. 640x400 was the highest res and had an interlaced signal which induced a migraine within a minute. Terrible.

The Newtek I knew back then made digitizers (flatbed scanners weren't popular back then). I had the NewTek digitizer which cost $99. Way cheaper than scanners which cost hundreds of $$$.

It was like the golden age of personal computing back then. MS-DOS PC, Mac, Apple II, Commodore 64/128/Amiga, Atari XL/ST.... Good times.

Speaking of NewTek......

I remember the NewTek Demoreel 1 from 1987. It's the more amazing because it ran off two floppy discs.

Good times indeed. Yes, I'm fully aware that Apple and the Macintosh was already there during that time, but growing up, the Amiga seems to be the more popular go-to solution for pro and broadcast video production. And if you factor in the cost, it does make a lot of sense why that is.

So at that time, IMO, the Amiga was indeed what the Mac was a few years ago... a computer for creators and pros.

[papi smith]

OT, can't find the laptop thread, my laptop shuts down 5 mins after it boots. Pwede pa kaya repair ito?

[Archerfish]

OT, can't find the laptop thread, my laptop shuts down 5 mins after it boots. Pwede pa kaya repair ito?

What I experienced with a PC is, restarting after running for a few minutes. The usual culprit is the memory​ module.

It is also possible that the CPU is overheating and upon reaching the threshold, it will shut down. I only experienced this when I overclocked it.

Try to get to the BIOS setup.

[WallyWest]

OT, can't find the laptop thread, my laptop shuts down 5 mins after it boots. Pwede pa kaya repair ito?

Get a temperature monitoring app like CoreTemp. If you notice the temp getting too high prior to shutting down, then the fan and processor heatsink probably needs cleaning.

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[Jun aka Pekto]

OT, can't find the laptop thread, my laptop shuts down 5 mins after it boots. Pwede pa kaya repair ito?

I agree with the overheating part already mentioned. If the shutdown always occur at exactly 5 minutes? I'd also check settings at the BIOS/UEFI and Windows power settings.

[papi smith]

Thank you Sirs, I'll see if I can get to the BIOS before it shuts down, 5 mins is my estimate, if I try to reboot, is will shut down earlier, until it will no longer boot. [emoji4]

[papi smith]

I was thinking this morning of trying to extract the HDD, to retrieve my data and have the unit fixed by a tech

[papi smith]

Btw, I already ordered a replacement...

Inabot Ng $662, value buy na kaya ito? No idea of laptop pricing here at PH right now.... Namili lang ako Ng best value based in their offerings sa website....
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[WallyWest]

I was thinking this morning of trying to extract the HDD, to retrieve my data and have the unit fixed by a tech

You should pull out the HDD before having it repaired for privacy's sake. Techs have (or should have) their own HDDs anyway.

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