Airconditioner for computer cafe

[Syuryuken]

Balak ko kasing palitan ng isang floor mounted airconditioner yung dalawang 2.0 hp window type airconditioner dito sa shop. Iniisip ko yung konsumo sa kuryente alin kaya ang mas malakas yung isang floor mounted o yung dalawang window type? Sa ngayon may 31 unit na PC dito magdadagdag pa ako ng apat bukas magiging 35 na lahat. Kayanin kaya ng iisa lang?

Yung laki ng shop nasa 10x7 sq.m.

Ganito balak kung ipalit

Shot at 2007-07-11

[ghosthunter]

Have you tried getting one of those evaporative air coolers? They are lighter on the electricity and help your current aircons to cool the shop area.

[pup2]

Ako I always prefer window-type WHEREVER POSSIBLE. Kasi mas madali i-maintain, may alternate ka in case 1 breaks down, it's cheaper in cost, and in our experience generally lasts longer.Siyempre may cases din na hindi advisable -- for example kung kulang ang ventilation sa likod o kung sobrang daming kakailanganin nung room na WT AC para lumamig.Tungkol sa konsumo, I believe it's more a function of total HP used plus EER rather than the type of AC per se -- although I heard yung 3-phase na SPLIT ay mas matipid, wala naman daw stock eh.BTW, feel ko kapos yung estimate mo na 2 x 2 hp WT AC's for a lab of 31 computers kung mataas ang occupancy. You'd probably need 2 x 2.5, unless di masyado napupuno.

[VtEC]

Depende sa laki ng ipapalit mo bro.pero siguro yong 2units na 3tonner na ac (kamukha ng sa pic mo) pwede na sa 35units plus yong heat ng tao though malakas lang sa konsumo kasi equivalent na sa 3 x 1.5hp x 2.pero never kang mag iinstall ng isang ac unit para just incase masira meron back up.

[julesravago]

Balak ko kasing palitan ng isang floor mounted airconditioner yung dalawang 2.0 hp window type airconditioner dito sa shop. Iniisip ko yung konsumo sa kuryente alin kaya ang mas malakas yung isang floor mounted o yung dalawang window type? Sa ngayon may 31 unit na PC dito magdadagdag pa ako ng apat bukas magiging 35 na lahat. Kayanin kaya ng iisa lang?

Yung laki ng shop nasa 10x7 sq.m.

Ganito balak kung ipalit

Shot at 2007-07-11

Sir. medyo matagal na po post niyo pero kailangan ko sana ng tulong. i only have 11 units ng computer sa shop ko and bibilan ko pa lang ng aircon.. Problem is, i cant decide kung ilang hp po bibilin ko.. according to virex(split type ac surveyor) i would need 2 hp daw po pero sa pagbabasa ko online ng about ac's i think 1.5 hp is enough. floor area is only 128 sq ft. medyo mataas lang ceiling ko.. sa tambay na tao, lets say 11 for each pc plus mga 5 tambay.. sa tingin nio pwede na po 1 or 1.5 hp? papapirmahin daw ako ng waiver na pag di ko sinunod yuung advice nila at di lumamig ang room, di daw ako pwede maghabol.. what do do u think sir?? thanks so much.. planning to purchase panasonic inverter type 1.5 hp..

[OldSchoolHack]

Have you tried getting one of those evaporative air coolers? They are lighter on the electricity and help your current aircons to cool the shop area.

Not a good idea with electronic equipment. These work by increasing humidity while airconditioners do the opposite. Plus the problem of corrosion/corrosive effect of high humidity.

Sa data center namin the airconditioners are even set to reduce humidity.

[OldSchoolHack]

Sir. medyo matagal na po post niyo pero kailangan ko sana ng tulong. i only have 11 units ng computer sa shop ko and bibilan ko pa lang ng aircon.. Problem is, i cant decide kung ilang hp po bibilin ko.. according to virex(split type ac surveyor) i would need 2 hp daw po pero sa pagbabasa ko online ng about ac's i think 1.5 hp is enough. floor area is only 128 sq ft. medyo mataas lang ceiling ko.. sa tambay na tao, lets say 11 for each pc plus mga 5 tambay.. sa tingin nio pwede na po 1 or 1.5 hp? papapirmahin daw ako ng waiver na pag di ko sinunod yuung advice nila at di lumamig ang room, di daw ako pwede maghabol.. what do do u think sir?? thanks so much.. planning to purchase panasonic inverter type 1.5 hp..

Sir make your setup more effective rather than increasing aircon loading. Suggestion lang po.

1. Try creating funnels so you can redirect all exhaust of your PCs outside. Tipong itapon mo yung hot air palabas shop mo.
2. Replace all your monitors to LCD. Believe me mataas heat load ng lumang CRT monitors kesa sa LCD monitors.
3. Seal the area. Kung pwede ibaba mo yung kisame. Lower mo tapos install mo insulating media para di malaki load aircon. Kung 10 feet or 12 feet e ibaba mo ng 7 to 8 feet.
4. Sunlight from outside adds load. Lagay ka ng sunscreens or tint mo (pang bahay wag pang auto) windows. Wag posters lang. Kung pwede lagay ka insulator sheet - parang silver one side.
5. Keep doors and windows shut tight.
6. Will electric fans inside help? Depende. Pero most of the time it will not. Why? Fans run with motors which get hot.
7. Multiple window type aircons are better than one big aircon. Why? So you can shut down the other units kung walang tao sa shop mo. Just remember all aircons must have the same settings when in use.
8. Put shades or a roof outside your shop. It helps if the outside area is kept cooler.
9. And like cars, always keep your airconditioners clean both in the evaporator area (loob) and condenser (labas). Clean mo monthly aircon, weekly filters.

Good luck.

[ghosthunter]

Sir. medyo matagal na po post niyo pero kailangan ko sana ng tulong. i only have 11 units ng computer sa shop ko and bibilan ko pa lang ng aircon.. Problem is, i cant decide kung ilang hp po bibilin ko.. according to virex(split type ac surveyor) i would need 2 hp daw po pero sa pagbabasa ko online ng about ac's i think 1.5 hp is enough. floor area is only 128 sq ft. medyo mataas lang ceiling ko.. sa tambay na tao, lets say 11 for each pc plus mga 5 tambay.. sa tingin nio pwede na po 1 or 1.5 hp? papapirmahin daw ako ng waiver na pag di ko sinunod yuung advice nila at di lumamig ang room, di daw ako pwede maghabol.. what do do u think sir?? thanks so much.. planning to purchase panasonic inverter type 1.5 hp..

It is better to get a slightly over-rated inverter A/C than an under-rated one because the compressor will have to work harder if it's under-rated.

And in my experience (I used to have three different PC rental shops), 2HP A/C is barely enough to keep it comfy.

[ghosthunter]

Not a good idea with electronic equipment. These work by increasing humidity while airconditioners do the opposite. Plus the problem of corrosion/corrosive effect of high humidity.

High humidity is not good with electronic stuff but in a PC rental shop, trying to cut electrical cost is also important.

Anyway, as long a you have a properly sized exhaust fan to remove excess humidity from the interior of the shop, it should be fine. And it's not to be used all day long. Just during the low periods of the day when it's not economical to run the A/C because there are only a few customers.

Also PC shops tend to replace computers in two or three year cycles.

[bok_yo]

try to consult HVAC engineers na kakilala mo. they are the right guys to answer your queries. you have to calculate the heatload calculation plus other variables that involves air conditioning. try to google and find out kung merong kang makita simple formula.

[ghosthunter]

try to consult HVAC engineers na kakilala mo. they are the right guys to answer your queries. you have to calculate the heatload calculation plus other variables that involves air conditioning. try to google and find out kung merong kang makita simple formula.

*julesravago

Unfortunately simple formulas may not compensate for the heat load of the computers/monitors plus the constant in/out of customers through the door.

To save on airconditioning cost, using LCD instead of CRT monitors is advised. Although the cost of an LCD is more than a CRT, the direct and indirect electrical savings will offset the higher initial purchase price. LCD monitors are also more space efficient so it is possible to have more computers in the same space (if your budget allows)

[julesravago]

Sir make your setup more effective rather than increasing aircon loading. Suggestion lang po.

1. Try creating funnels so you can redirect all exhaust of your PCs outside. Tipong itapon mo yung hot air palabas shop mo.
2. Replace all your monitors to LCD. Believe me mataas heat load ng lumang CRT monitors kesa sa LCD monitors.
3. Seal the area. Kung pwede ibaba mo yung kisame. Lower mo tapos install mo insulating media para di malaki load aircon. Kung 10 feet or 12 feet e ibaba mo ng 7 to 8 feet.
4. Sunlight from outside adds load. Lagay ka ng sunscreens or tint mo (pang bahay wag pang auto) windows. Wag posters lang. Kung pwede lagay ka insulator sheet - parang silver one side.
5. Keep doors and windows shut tight.
6. Will electric fans inside help? Depende. Pero most of the time it will not. Why? Fans run with motors which get hot.
7. Multiple window type aircons are better than one big aircon. Why? So you can shut down the other units kung walang tao sa shop mo. Just remember all aircons must have the same settings when in use.
8. Put shades or a roof outside your shop. It helps if the outside area is kept cooler.
9. And like cars, always keep your airconditioners clean both in the evaporator area (loob) and condenser (labas). Clean mo monthly aircon, weekly filters.

Good luck.

Thanks for your reply sir.. As of the moment, medyo wala kasing budget for renovation, kaka renovate ko lang last year and as for the monitors, inu - unti unti ko po pinapalitan ng lcd.. single mom kasi kaya medyo tight ang budget. Like i said, ia have 11 units of pc lang since yun lang ang kaya ng space ko. sa 11 na units po, 4 pa lang lcd pero in about 5 months, siguro lcd na lahat. mga 12ft yung ceiling ko at balak ko naman i seal lahat ng pwede labasan ng lamig, Im also planning to change my door kasi old school pa yun akin.. no idea at all kung ilang hp kailangan ko. hindi naman lagi puno ang shop. Ayaw nga nila ng aircon kasi may increase sa price pag naglagay ako kaso i dont think they would want to play kung parang nasa pugonn sila lagi. Pero ayoko din nman na yun at yun lang ang player ko.. Para din sana maka engganyo ng ibang players like yung mga babae.. ANyway, around 12 sq.m. lang yung shop ko.. sa tingin mo ba sir if ill follow lahat na advice mo about sa pag seal ng room, enough na ba 1hp?? pamatay init lang naman.. or baka mas mataas yun sa kuryente pag hirap yung ac?

According sa mga nababasa ko.. considering lahat ng factors na dapat i consider, around 15,000 btu ac ang kailangan ko.. Ilang hp ba yun sa panasonic? hindi po kasi naka indicate yung btu sa site nila.. kaso hindi ko nabilang dyan yung heat na napoproduce ng pc..

Sa 1.5hp, eto po basehan ko
- 11 units ng pc
- 11 players kung puno ang shop
- 5 tambay

ok na ba yun 1.5?? psaensya na sa abala mga sir..