McLaren Trial

[sirmykel]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/130920...ed-points.html

Season 2007 - McLaren fined and docked points

Eurosport - Thu, 13 Sep 23:39:00 2007

McLaren have been thrown out of this year's constructors' championship and fined $100 million (£49.2 million) following the outcome of their FIA hearing relating to Formula One's spy scandal in Paris.
FORMULA 1 2007 Ron Dennis, juicio de la FIA sobre el espionaje de McLaren - 0

Crucially though, British superstar Lewis Hamilton and his Spanish team-mate Fernando Alonso, have been allowed to keep the points they have scored in the drivers' championship and retain their first and second places in the championship.

The constructors' ban is bad news for McLaren, who had been leading the championship, and also means that, should the team win any more races this year, no team representative will be allowed onto the podium to collect the team's trophy.

It also means that the team is certain to miss out on any prize money dished out this year, in addition to the benefits afforded to the top ten teams in the points, such as travel subsidies

The FIA said in a statement: "The WMSC (World Motor Sports Council) has stripped Vodafone McLaren Mercedes of all constructors points in the 2007 FIA Formula One world championship and the team can score no points for the remainder of the season," the FIA said.

"Furthermore the team will pay a fine equal to $100 million, less the FOM income lost as a result of the points deduction," it added.

The fine is the largest ever imposed in Formula One and possibly the largest in sport overall.

Additionally, their 2008 car, which is already well into it's production stage, will have to undergo a stringent FIA examination to ensure none of Ferrari's 'intellectual property' has been used, before the team will be allowed to race it.

Team boss Ron Dennis left the FIA headquarters without making any comment but is expected to speak on the matter later on.

McLaren are expected to appeal the decision.

Jamie O'Leary / Eurosport

haaay grabe yung fine largest in history.
what u think -_-

[torque2006]

serves them right! sobra naman kase ginawa nila.

[Monseratto]

At least di na affected yung Driver Championship points nila Alonso at Hamilton. Now they can get it on and race. Will Alonso take advantage of the situation and leave Mclaren at the end of the year?

[fourtheboys96]

hmmmm.........poor maclaren

i'll wait next year for them to win it again

i am not really sold that ferrari is that clean....nadulas na nga yung dati nilang driver eh hehehe

[mazdamazda]

Ouch... let's wait until two days later for the full report that will explain in detail why McLaren got this very harsh penalty.

If you remember, in the first hearing they didn't merit any penalty... but with the new evidence presented... wow... this must be really B-I-G. From no penalty to a constructor's ban plus a $100M fine.

[niky]

Ron Dennis is claiming that no new evidence has surfaced and that he would still continue to support his drivers.

Of note in this case:

-the FIA still have yet to prove that any of the data transferred between Stepney and Coughlan was used in the current McLaren. They will also review all data on the 2008 car to see if anything from Ferrari was used in that one.

-no fines for the drivers. They can still compete for championship points.

-the FIA will check the McLarens before the next race to look for any Ferrari-sourced items or design. RD is confident they won't find any at all.

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Of note... Toyota was caught stealing Ferrari data before... why weren't they fined this big?

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Ah, the endless drama of F1... the endless cheating...

[empy]

HUGE penalty. the message is basically that the whole season's worth of success for the team was wiped out because the FIA thought the cheating was THAT bad...


...ano kayang cooperation/ tulong/ ebidensya ang binigay ni Alonso at Hamilton to escape penalties of their own? :banana3: ??

[nicolodeon]

Hmmm...shouldn't Alonso and Hamilton be penalized also since they benefited from this act of McLaren? IMO, I won't buy the idea that he drivers didn't know a thing about what McLaren is doing "behind the pitstop". However, these two might just be highly-paid pawns in McLarens game.

Hmm...let's wait for the report.

[mazdamazda]

Hmmm...shouldn't Alonso and Hamilton be penalized also since they benefited from this act of McLaren? IMO, I won't buy the idea that he drivers didn't know a thing about what McLaren is doing "behind the pitstop". However, these two might just be highly-paid pawns in McLarens game.

Hmm...let's wait for the report.

From what I've read, they were spared from any penalty since they cooperated with giving new evidence against McLaren.

Though they should have been penalized also even if that was the case... half of your driver's championship points should be fun. :lol:

[ericmm]

My Canadian boss here told me that there is evidence that there is one person who is an operator of a photocopying machine who photocopied the 200++ pages ferrari manual and he thought that the documents were unusual so he told someone and so on...

Not sure if this is true ha...don't quote me on this but if it is indeed true - how stupid can you get and photocopy them in a photocopying shop.

[simplicity]

^^^ afaik matagal na ata itong info na ito ah. ke stepney pa ata ito nung
siya pa ang tina-target ng ferrari nuon.

anyway, matindi talaga ang penalty sa mclaren. tsk, tsk, tsk . . . sayang ang pinaghirapan sa season (assuming na hindi nila ginamit yung info)

excited na tuloy ako sa next race (spa) kaya nag-"spa" na ako kagabi. toingk.
ano kaya yung mga sinabi ng mclaren drivers?

[nicolodeon]

From what I've read, they were spared from any penalty since they cooperated with giving new evidence against McLaren.

Though they should have been penalized also even if that was the case... half of your driver's championship points should be fun. :lol:

He he he...

Well, IMO it might be like a "suspect" in a criminal case, whereby he/she got of with lesser penalties or time in the slammer because he/she cooperated but he/she still would not walk away just like that.

[niky]

Remember, though... other members of the team may have benefited from the info without actually knowing it was there.

The ones whom we know that are guilty, so far, are Stepney and Coughlan... who, by the way, are both in transition between teams.

While a lot of engineers share their experience and personal notes from past work with their new team, I suppose Stepney's idea of personal notes is rather vague... ("hey, there's this manual lying around the shop that I think is mine... ).

We can't categorically state that the entire operation is crooked unless someone else comes forward and points fingers at the top.

[fourtheboys96]

ferrari's design manual/book/bible is with mclaren's chief designer. thats fact.

mclaren using/copying info from that material to improve theirs should be investigated by the FIA or the world motorsport council. if mclaren is not guilty as ron dennis is insisting up to now, i believe the penalty should be reduced accordingly unless included in that manual is the pit strategy in the every race of the season.

wala naman kasing silbi yung design manual unless you apply what you see in it to your car. if not, maclaren will still be developing their own design.

sorry mclaren fan ako hehehe

[mazdamazda]

^^^
Actually, even loverboy Briatore is suspecting that McLaren did use Ferrari's technology/design/etc. Heck, he's also asking for McLaren's head when they handed out the original verdict.

According to him, the seamless transition of Mclaren to the Bridgestones was very surprising since a lot of other switchers (like Renault) are still adjusting to the new tires.

[niky]

Hmmm... that's actually a very good point.

[cardo]

sayang talaga mclaren, I thought it would be a great year for them since 1999...

what is happening to sports nowadays? last weekend, it was such a great sporting treat... IRB, England wins over Israel in the euro qualifiers, F1 and mclaren's 1-2, man U wins in EPL...

dami cheating sa sports ngayon - you have the patriots video taping their opponents plays... the nba referee scandal... man oh man whats next?

does info stolen from ferrari have something like a 'patent'?

and in the past ferrari was accused of using those fexi wings or something, they were also accused of using an illegal underfloor in the austrailian gp at the beginning of this year. why were'nt they penalised as well?

[mazdamazda]

cardo,

the flexi-wings of ferrari, redbull & mclaren have been approved by the fia.

the suspected illegal floors of ferrari (and even bmw) have been cleared by the fia. they are not deemed illegal afaik.

[HyBrideVo]

It's so amazing what people would do just to win a championship and for money of course.

[mayana]

FIA reveals extent of ‘spygate’ evidence

SPA-FRANCORCHAMPS, Belgium, Sept 14, 2007 (AFP) - Formula One’s governing body, the FIA, has revealed the full extent of the new ‘spygate’ evidence that prompted them to hit McLaren with a record fine and exclude them from the 2007 constructors’ championship.
The evidence includes details of email and text message exchanges given to the FIA through written statements by McLaren test pilot Pedro de la Rosa and their double world champion driver Fernando Alonso.
De la Rosa, in particular, seems to have had regular contact with Mike Coughlan, the ex-McLaren chief designer who has confirmed that he received a dossier of secret Ferrari information from Nigel Stepney a former mechanic for the Italian team.
An FIA press release on Friday said: “The e-mails show unequivocally that both Mr. Alonso and Mr. de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Coughlan; that both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Stepney.”
In one exchange between the two De La Rosa asks Coughlan, in a clear reference to Ferrari’s all-red livery: “Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car’s weight distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro.”
De La Rosa confirmed to the FIA that Coughlan sent him the required information via test message and he then forwarded it on to Alonso by email.
Similar exchanges between the three men took place regarding aerodynamics, tyre gas, braking systems and stopping strategy.
In addition the FIA has revealed the full amount of correspondence between Coughlan and Stepney, some of it taking place before the dossier of information was found by Italian police at Coughlan’s house.
The statement reads: “The Italian police have identified logs which show 23 e-mails passed between Coughlan and Stepney between 1 March and 14 April 2007.”
In total, at least 288 SMS messages and 35 telephone calls appear to have passed between Stepney and Coughlan between 11 March and 3 July 2007.
“In light of the number and timing of the communications between Coughlan and Stepney and the e-mail exchanges between the McLaren drivers, the WMSC regards it as reasonable to infer that Coughlan was in receipt of a flow of confidential Ferrari information from Stepney and that at least some of that information was communicated to others within McLaren.”
The published evidence appears to directly contradict McLaren Boss Ron Dennis’ claims that Stepney and Coughlan were acting alone and that McLaren did not benefit from the information that passed between the pair.
McLaren have not yet decided whether they will appeal their punishment.