Help!! 4WDs for Offroad

[4x4newbie]

im kinda new in here and i've seen your offroading pictures...

i just want to know what are the cars/trucks/pick-ups/4WDs that can be used for Off-roading... ive read that Rav 4 and CRVs are not included. so can i have atleast any idea what ride should i buy in place of my RAV right now...

of course, i want to join you sometime go offroad...

thanks!

[kiper]

pili ka sa mga full-size suv's na to.. syempre dapat 4x4.. kaso mahal.

nissan patrol
mitsu pajero
isuzu trooper
toyota prado
toyota landcruiser
ford expedition
chevy tahoe
chevy suburban

or thr pick-up trucks!!

mitsu strada
toyota hi-lux
nissan frontier
isuzu fuego
ford ranger
ford f-150
chevy silverado



pero kung gusto mo makamura.. settle for a 2nd hand vehicle -- katulad ng sinabi ni sir otep!!

peace.

[boyscout]

bakit naman di pwede rav4?

[ARB]

actually pwede na yan rav 4 mo, but it will suffer some damages lang. but in terms of capabilities it can compare with other 4x4.

disadvantage is that you don't have low range and open center diffs.

there is this one instance that a nissan pathfinder got stuck in a farm road it had to be towed out, where a cr-v just passed it like it was nothing. the engine power compensated for its lack of low range. it sort of jumped out the rut while the pathfinder being a diesel just spun its tires.

[mbt]

4x4newbie,

your RAV4, especially if its gen1 (which has a heavier-duty drivetrain than the gen2), and the gen1 cr-v and the escape, will handle undulating dirt roads, a little mud, gravel roads, small rocks, streams about up to 3/4 - 5/6 wheel height i think, and sand without problems, i believe. these small SUVs have more capability than you might be led to believe, imo. only the Grand Vitara among the small SUVs can play with the big guns, arguably

pero if you're talking about off-roading like the Jungle Base off-roading or deep mud or serious boulder-hopping or loose-terrain hill climbs, time to call in the big guns -- kung brand new hanap mo, your only practical choice (fortunately, it's an excellent one) would be the Nissan Patrol converted back to 4x4 for 2M. or, you can buy a new Prado for 2.75M, or a new LC100 for 4M i think. or a grand vitara 4z4 for 1.3M. or a 4x4 pickup truck.

[Ungas]

ARB::: If I may ask, did the CRV just breezed by the stuck Pathfinder is because it has momentum going through the mud trap? Did it tried to maneuver from stand still then proceeded to the mud trap? Peace! :D

No doubt, the Suzuki's can compete with the big guns as what mbt pointed. Then the after market parts is not a problem at all.

But based on your post 4x4newbie, you wanted to use it for offroading. From my vantage point, grab a 2nd hand and save yourself some extra bucks for dressing up your ride. Mind you this will be costly. :D BUT, it will be worth it for every centavo that counts.

What to look for in a 4WD vehicle:
*part or full time transfer case.
*high ground clearance, (check for the underchassis parts ie; transmission, propeller shaft, transmission support, muffler, tanks. These should be not lower than the vehicles chassis.)
*front and rear differential lock
*central diff lock
*high approach angle ==>> __/
*high ramp break over angle ==>> __/\__
*high departure angle \__ ==>>
*easy to find after market parts

Hope this helps you decide on what specific vehicle for the task you want. :D

[4x4newbie]

hmm... all your ideas could really enlighten me and my dad (my financer of course!).

well as soon as i get the 4WD we would decide upon, i hope you will still be there to help me fix or set-up whatever is still needed on the 4WD.

[Ungas]

Sure 4x4newbie!

We will still be here and more infos will be shared by other offroad gurus watching this forum. :D

Hope you find the best suitable vehicle available on the market.

[Olive Drab]

pili ka sa mga full-size suv's na to.. syempre dapat 4x4.. kaso mahal.

nissan patrol
mitsu pajero
isuzu trooper
toyota prado
toyota landcruiser
ford expedition
chevy tahoe
chevy suburban

or thr pick-up trucks!!

mitsu strada
toyota hi-lux
nissan frontier
isuzu fuego
ford ranger
ford f-150
chevy silverado



pero kung gusto mo makamura.. settle for a 2nd hand vehicle -- katulad ng sinabi ni sir otep!!

peace.

kung gusto mo talagang makamura mag-assemble ka.
but if you have enough budget, get a landrover.

[4x4newbie]

assemble? hmmm? like how? so that i can also explain it to my dad...

[ARB]

one owner two cars, they just bought the crv then they wanted to test it if it was capable. so they tested it in their farm i na newly tilled lot for sugarcane, the pathfinder bogged down using 4low first, then they tried 4L second it just could not get out, it lacked that ommph, maybe because it was a diesel. then they tried the crv same spot it just jumped out.

but i know soft 4wd's will break easily than true 4wd, but it does not mean that they cannot handle certain terrains, there are instances when true 4wd's is a disadvantage compared to soft 4wd's.

[mbt]

ARB,

isn't that bit counter-intuitive? i mean, don't diesels have the low-end oomph needed to get moving from a stop in such a situation?

[Ungas]

Then maybe the CRV got lucky and caught a firm grip from the soil, since it was newly tilled. :D

Based from my observations, soft 4WD's also have limited suspension play even if they are replaced by aftermarket suspension parts. Compared to full bloodied 4WDs that is.

Disadvantages? Due to size factor?

[OTEP]

I don't really like taking soft-off roaders off-road because when you hit something underneath it will usually be something breakable and/or very expensive. :mrgreen: Rarely do they have adequate underbody protection (read: skidplates) for the oil pan, t-case, and fuel tank among others.

Suspension travel is also limited due to the inherent limitations of IFS and IRS. No problem when you're attacking dirt or dunes. But for the moguls and the ruts we usually encounter on our trips, you'll always have one wheel hanging in the air.

I also don't find the idea of buying a brand new vehicle then using it off-road. Although, vehicles rarely get severely damaged during trips, scratches and underbody dents can be common. Baka bigla ka na lang maiyak sa trail. Kukulangin ang dala kong tissue.

I think the CR-V made it through because the left and right rear half shafts of the CR-V rotate at the same speed when AWD is engaged (parang rear difflock effect). Although I could be very wrong on that one.

Other things you should consider although hindi naman requirement:
*A ladder-type frame (although the Jeep Cherokee has proven that monocoques can indeed be used for serious off-roading).
*Solid front and rear axles like the Nissan Patrol and Land Cruisers up until the LC80 series of the 90's.
*Stepboards and mudguards you can easily remove (not easy with the current Pajero and Trooper).

Have you considered an AMC Hammer? See them at www.pbase.com/jappy

[Olive Drab]

assemble? hmmm? like how? so that i can also explain it to my dad...

there are a lot of ideas to play around.
e.g. landcruiser prado underchassis, chevy V6 engine, mini-hummer body.
or pajero underchassis, toyota engine, renegade type body.
medyo tasking nga lang and dapat may kasama kang nakakaintindi.

[Olive Drab]

one owner two cars, they just bought the crv then they wanted to test it if it was capable. so they tested it in their farm i na newly tilled lot for sugarcane, the pathfinder bogged down using 4low first, then they tried 4L second it just could not get out, it lacked that ommph, maybe because it was a diesel. then they tried the crv same spot it just jumped out.

but i know soft 4wd's will break easily than true 4wd, but it does not mean that they cannot handle certain terrains, there are instances when true 4wd's is a disadvantage compared to soft 4wd's.

sorry to disagree.
DRIVER factor lang siguro yan.

[ARB]

well maybe na chamba lang ang crv, but if ever i have soft 4wd's i will never bring them off road too.

[kimpOy]

nice topic,
4x4newbie if i were in your shoes, im gonna buy a pickup, a toyota pickup that is
after market parts are a plenty, off road capabilities is boundless, ask freeman yan ang ride, he's our experience off roader here, ok pa yan kung may business ka so double purpose and kung bahain sa inyo triple purpose pa!

but if you have the dough for a just off road car, ako im gonna go for the
1.toyota lancruiser II or LC70 swb (short wheel base)
2.modified lc40

3.pajero swb gen II /j-top[/img]

[crawdaddy]

get a 2nd hand kung balak mo lang gawing laruan (for offroad use only, or pag coding ang auto mo)... even kung daily driver mo siguro pero priority mo gamitin pang-offroad parin, 2nd na rin, cheaper pa...

if you want a really capable, yet cheap, offroader, get a Suzuki Samurai or Jimny (kahit yung new Jimny, I believe a brand new Jimny is just over PhP500k (not sure kung aabot pa ng P600k, but possible) but kung hanap mo diesel powered talaga, walang diesel ang Suzuki...

just my 1 cent :mrgreen:

goodluck sa search!

[OTEP]

NEW THEORY ON THE CR-V:

Could it have been that it's lighter weight allowed for more floation?