Help!! 4WDs for Offroad

**pajerokid** · January 29th, 2003 05:21 PM

Yup. If you want a brand new offroad toy..... get a Jimny, as crawdaddy mentioned! i believe the 4WD Jimny costs around Php690thou.

**Freeman** · January 29th, 2003 05:37 PM

The CRV is the much lighter vehicle of the 2. Weight on each tire was not enough to make it sink in that particular section.

The Terrano driver should not have used 4L 1st, on the surface you described, the torque of that gear would've just made it dig into the soil. A higher gear with less torque and more speed would probably have made the Nissan skim over the loose soil - which is probably also why the CR-V did better.

But overall and in time, the Terrano will prove to be the more robust and reliable offroader among the 2.

**crawdaddy** · January 29th, 2003 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by pajerokid

Yup. If you want a brand new offroad toy..... get a Jimny, as crawdaddy mentioned! i believe the 4WD Jimny costs around Php690thou.

almost P700k pala... ilan bang models (tama ba?) meron ang new Jimny?

**OTEP** · January 29th, 2003 05:41 PM

May bare model naman ang CR-V. Pero best bang for the buck na siguro ang mga old Toyota LC's.

**Freeman** · January 29th, 2003 05:52 PM

The true 4x4 will give the driver an option to go 2H / 2L, 4H / 4L depending on the terrain. Most compact SUV's dont give one much options.

Chassis / frame will definitely take more of a beating than monocoque.

Suspension issue between the 2 was already taken up.

So what would you rather be, versatile or limited?

**mbt** · January 29th, 2003 06:18 PM

the top-end Jimny costs 598K for the M/T and 640K for the A/T. all Jimnys are equipped with part-time 4wd with low-range

**ARB** · January 29th, 2003 06:24 PM

freeman- i have pm for you at AI. re lockers

**bogart** · January 29th, 2003 06:46 PM

for P770k, you can get a brand new M/T Suzuki Vitara.

But if you want a second hand 89 Pajero 4x4 M/T, Turbo, local, exactly the same as my sig, PM me. :wink:

**4x4newbie** · January 29th, 2003 06:50 PM

ayan syempre nalito na ko... hmmmm... napapaisip talaga ako. but still, my dad has to decide. eenie-meenie-minie-moe....:roll:

**pajerokid** · January 29th, 2003 08:46 PM

aheheheh! anyway 4x4newbie, thats a nice conundrum to be in :mrgreen: if i were you, id convince my dad to get a secondhand fullsize jap SUV with a good ol ladder frame! It'll do wonders offroad, even in stock config. Car magazines will tell you stuff like "Primitive" and "Uncomfortable". but you wanna go offroad right?

**OTEP** · January 30th, 2003 12:26 AM

Adjectives most often used to describe the Pajero:

*Harsh (ride)
*Slow (even the V6's)
*Unrefined

bogart,

Are you selling your Pajero or may ibang unit pa? Ok din na platform iyan for off-roading.

Tested by afrasay, happiman and our off-road family (otomatic, Boy2, and offroadmom).

**kiper** · January 30th, 2003 01:55 AM

sa 2nd hand pajero ka na!!

**Cale** · January 30th, 2003 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by 4x4newbie

im kinda new in here and i've seen your offroading pictures...

i just want to know what are the cars/trucks/pick-ups/4WDs that can be used for Off-roading... ive read that Rav 4 and CRVs are not included. so can i have atleast any idea what ride should i buy in place of my RAV right now...

of course, i want to join you sometime go offroad...

thanks!

dude,

hi, how are you? let me share you also some ideas in getting a 4x4, first choose between a pick up truck or an suv, which ever interest you...then go for it..since your dad is buying it for you...that would be so cool...
a. power..your engine if you can have a v6 or in line 6...that would be great
b. transmission..must be a standard i mean stick shift and a start clutch cancel...never get an auto for a 4wd..its sucks unless you have the M998 HMMWV Hummer
c. 4wd system..i prefer a part time 4wd where in you can choose the gears for your 4wd, include also 4WDemand..the automatic locking front hubs so you get your feet wet or dirty when you need to shift to 4wd and a locking rear differential
d. brakes..you need a power assisted ventilated front disc/rear drum with tandem booster and rear LSPV if a truck, these are very helpfull in slippery wet and sandy dry surface road
e. steering..must have a wide turning circle diameter of 40.0 feet and a rack and pinion power assist
f.ground clearance and underbody protection..at least 12 inches and must have skip plates under front suspension,transfer case and fuel tank
g. a 3 point elr seat belts
h. and finally when you go off roading pretty soon...remember to please tread lightly.....

let me share you some experiences when i visited philippines last december 19 to january 20, my very first time since in 27 years since i was born here in US..men it was so fun i wish i have the chance to meet you guys who go off roading..i drove my cousin's trucks, a mitsubishi strada which is a diesel turbo..but runs so lean on power, then a toyota truck 4x4 diesel again, a nissan pick up truck eagle 4x4 and a pajero i guess a gen 1and we call it montero here in US..i had the chance to drive around my parents hometown..i guess la union...we went off roading with my cousin and my god, sky is the limit you can tread as heavy as you want leaving your skid marks behind...my favorate druck that i drove was the mitsubishi strada 2.5 diesel turbo... with a plate number of AEZ 222, at first driving there is so scary for me but my cuz taught me how. i saw some of your pics here at otep's homepage its really nice, very nice, i'm also impressed on how filipinos copied the am general m998 hmmwv hummer..wow..so if ever i'll visit philippines again maybe this coming december for a month....would you let me a part of your crew to go offroading somehow......

thanks and peace out

cale/ vtekluder00*aol.com

**Ungas** · January 30th, 2003 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Cale

h. and finally when you go off roading pretty soon...remember to please tread lightly.....

Cale::: I think this should be spelled T.H.R.E.A.D. lightly. :D

And for the benefit of other readers what it really means:

Travel only on established 4WD roads
Respect the rights of other land users
Educate yourself with maps and knowing regulations
Avoid streams, shorelines, meadows
Drive responsibly to conserve the environment and preserve opportunities to recreate

**Cale** · January 30th, 2003 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ungas

Originally Posted by Cale

h. and finally when you go off roading pretty soon...remember to please tread lightly.....

Cale::: I think this should be spelled T.H.R.E.A.D. lightly. :D

And for the benefit of other readers what it really means:

Travel only on established 4WD roads
Respect the rights of other land users
Educate yourself with maps and knowing regulations
Avoid streams, shorelines, meadows
Drive responsibly to conserve the environment and preserve opportunities to recreate

ungas

sup dude...i believe my spelling is right....

peace out

cale

FrankDrebin · January 30th, 2003 12:58 PM

:roll:

**Cale** · January 30th, 2003 04:39 PM

ungas....oh i got what you mean...hehehe

**OTEP** · January 31st, 2003 01:46 PM

a. power..your engine if you can have a v6 or in line 6...that would be great.
*A 6-pot engine does indeed make a lot of power. But make sure you have an idea of what type of wheeling you have in mind. For the type of wheeling most of us do here, an engine with lots of low-end grunt is what works best. The 177bhp engine on our Montero doesn't work as well off-road as the 99bhp in mine simply because you have to rev it so high just to get the torque you want lalo na kung sanay ka sa diesel na peak power na sa 2,500 rpm pa lang.

b. transmission..must be a standard i mean stick shift and a start clutch cancel...never get an auto for a 4wd..its sucks unless you have the M998 HMMWV Hummer
*A matic is easier to master but a stick allows for more control. Don't worry if you do get a matic. Monteros with 4A/T's have been making it up the Rubicon for years now. Btw, clutch-starter interlocks are not required for vehicles here so no need to worry about that.

c. 4wd system..i prefer a part time 4wd where in you can choose the gears for your 4wd, include also 4WDemand..the automatic locking front hubs so you get your feet wet or dirty when you need to shift to 4wd and a locking rear differential
*IMO, manual hubs work better than automatics on any given day. That's why a lot of off-roaders are retrofitting manuals on their rigs. A rear differential is great. I wish I had one. But most of us can still go places even in our open diff'd rides.

d. brakes..you need a power assisted ventilated front disc/rear drum with tandem booster and rear LSPV if a truck, these are very helpfull in slippery wet and sandy dry surface road
*Four wheel disc brakes work well too. Meron pa bang truck sa market ngayon na walang LSPV?

e. steering..must have a wide turning circle diameter of 40.0 feet and a rack and pinion power assist
*Power assist is really a must. But I still feel that recirculating ball (a.k.a. ball and nut) systems are tougher in the rough stuff.

f.ground clearance and underbody protection..at least 12 inches and must have skip plates under front suspension,transfer case and fuel tank
*I have 9" under the rear diff now and it seems to work. Although a lift is planned in the future. Skid plates are a must.

g. a 3 point elr seat belts
*For both on and off road.

h. and finally when you go off roading pretty soon...remember to please tread lightly.....
*Do not pretend like you're in those SUV commercials running over everything you see.

**kimpOy** · January 31st, 2003 02:39 PM

yup i wish a have a automatic tranny 4x4, katulad ng mga nasa moab

**kiper** · January 31st, 2003 06:15 PM

so which is better for offroad?

m/t or a/t?

o depende rin sa gumagamit?

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