Is WWIII inevitable?

[tsupermario]

coz it's the west that drove putin to invade ukraine

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU

“russia’s actions are criminal… but the west is not innocent either. they did not do what they could have to avert this war”

[uls]

[dr. d]

... interesting.
is that what the placards say?

[uls]

... interesting.
is that what the placards say?

vote bbm ata

[uls]

Britain's newspapers praise Zalensky's video speech in parliament.

[uls]

Amir Tsarfati

[tsupermario]

Russian officials are struggling to get their story straight on Wednesday’s bombing of a Ukrainian maternity hospital that, according to Ukrainian authorities, left at least three dead—including a child—and 17 wounded. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Reuters in the immediate aftermath of the strike on Wednesday that “Russian forces do not fire on civilian targets.” On Thursday he told reporters that the Kremlin would look into the incident “because you and I don’t have clear information about what happened there.” Following a meeting with Ukraine’s foreign minister in Turkey on Thursday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov took a different stance as he claimed without evidence that the hospital in Mariupol was a warranted target because the building had been “seized long ago” by Ukrainian militia who had “expelled” all patients and doctors there. That narrative flies in the face of images of bloodied pregnant women being evacuated from the scene.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Thursday that the attack was “proof that the genocide of Ukrainians is taking place” and an “atrocity.” Lavrov during Thursday’s press conference dismissed the accusation as “pathetic shouting about so-called atrocities by the Russian armed forces,” as Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova likewise cried fake news. “This is information terrorism,” she said of Ukraine’s claim, according to Reuters. “Like always, they lie confidently,” Zelenskyy said in a televised address.

It’s not the first time Russia has targeted hospitals nor denied responsibility for doing so. In Syria, Physicians for Human Rights corroborated 492 attacks on healthcare facilities and 847 deaths of medical personnel between March 2011 and December 2017—more than 90% of which were carried out by Russian and Syrian forces; an investigation by the New York Times in October 2019 also tied Russian pilots to bombings of four Syrian hospitals that took place within a 12-hour period months earlier. Russia has dismissed such findings as “figments of the imagination,” per the Wall Street Journal.

Russia Struggles To Get Its Story Straight On Horrific Bombing Of Maternity Hospital

“Like always, they lie confidently,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said as Russian officials attempted to rewrite the history of its airstrike on a maternity hospital.

Russia Struggles To Get Its Story Straight On Horrific Bombing Of Maternity Hospital | Vanity Fair

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[Wh1stl3r]

Becaust of the bad things NATO did before, let's talk about that and not the atrocities Russia is doing now. Is that your line of thinking uls? Let's not condemn it. Tutal ginawa naman ng iba dati. Let's talk about the bad things that happened in the past while people are dying now? Nobody is refuting what other atrocities other countries did in the past but you don't seem too keen on condemning what Russia is doing right now. I don't understand.

[Egan101]

Becaust of the bad things NATO did before, let's talk about that and not the atrocities Russia is doing now. Is that your line of thinking uls? Let's not condemn it. Tutal ginawa naman ng iba dati. Let's talk about the bad things that happened in the past while people are dying now? Nobody is refuting what other atrocities other countries did in the past but you don't seem too keen on condemning what Russia is doing right now. I don't understand.

I get what Uls is saying. Russia needs to be accountable for its atrocities in Ukraine. It gets all the sanctions and condemnation from the world.

However, the US and its allies never did get sanctioned for all its actions against humanity. The Iraqi and Afghan civilians who suffered gravely with no condemnation whatsoever against the US and its Allies. The world just let them suffer. Do we just turn a blind eye and say “hey, they’re the good guys. It’s ok for them to just bomb these people to thy kingdom come.”

World geopolitics is never fair nor just. It is all guided by interests of who’s in power. Nobody is a good guy. Everyone just have their own agenda. Bully those who don’t align with your policies.

If the US and its Allies are so emboldened to thwart Russia, why have they left Ukraine to rot? Because they are afraid the war will be brought to them. Most of such countries would rather have one country suffer than shaking the security of their borders. The West have failed Ukraine and they are washing their hands clean. Russia is the bad guy and they want the whole world to know.


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[tsupermario]

[Ry_Tower]

I get what Uls is saying. Russia needs to be accountable for its atrocities in Ukraine. It gets all the sanctions and condemnation from the world.

However, the US and its allies never did get sanctioned for all its actions against humanity. The Iraqi and Afghan civilians who suffered gravely with no condemnation whatsoever against the US and its Allies. The world just let them suffer. Do we just turn a blind eye and say “hey, they’re the good guys. It’s ok for them to just bomb these people to thy kingdom come.”

World geopolitics is never fair nor just. It is all guided by interests of who’s in power. Nobody is a good guy. Everyone just have their own agenda. Bully those who don’t align with your policies.

If the US and its Allies are so emboldened to thwart Russia, why have they left Ukraine to rot? Because they are afraid the war will be brought to them. Most of such countries would rather have one country suffer than shaking the security of their borders. The West have failed Ukraine and they are washing their hands clean. Russia is the bad guy and they want the whole world to know.


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That's not entirely true. George W Bush and PM Blair all suffered humiliation in their country for the WMD fiasco. Their people do not condone their atrocities.

The proble is it's difficult to sanction the west but that is what the UN is for. However, if you are going to argue that China and Russia should be the one leading the world and as superpowers will sanction the rest of us, then the facts do not support a better leadership. It's the opposite actually.

Kaya nga as Jut and shadow's says, all we can do is condemn them on a per act basis and hope that the rest, Germany and France for one do not automatically agree with the US/Uk anymore and same with India (who has it's own ambition of being a world power someday), of the world with internet connectivity and faster information gathering and dissemination will make these leaders feel the pinch of their folly.

It is not a great nor good leadership from the US after FDR and WW2 for the most part. That is why I like Will of Newsroom from HBO's rant about America being not the greatest country in the world anymore. It's the fact and we can only hope the rest of the world get enlightened as well. But again, I hope you guys give a better alternative because if the propaganda is Putin/Pooh leadership, well, that's one for the shithole directly.

[madball]

coz it's the west that drove putin to invade ukraine

Seriously, I think it's more of a chicken and egg situation. Russia's behavior is largely due to its insecurity over NATO, but NATO expansion itself is caused by Russia's behavior(past and contemporaneous).

Why is it that some former Soviet satellite states want to join NATO and don't want Russia's "protection"? Did the West somehow manage to coerce those nations into joining the alliance?

[Egan101]

I didn’t say for Russia or China to run things. I am more for a unbiased global view.

The US and its allies were condemned by a few countries for its transgressions against the Iraqi and Afghan people. It was toothless and there were no sanctions. Years of warfare and the world just let it be. The financial world didn’t block them and there was no ban on its products.

There will always be atrocities in war. A country who started a war needs to be responsible. Russia or the US or any other country has to be accountable for their adventurism.


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[shadow]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


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[uls]

Becaust of the bad things NATO did before, let's talk about that and not the atrocities Russia is doing now. Is that your line of thinking uls? Let's not condemn it. Tutal ginawa naman ng iba dati. Let's talk about the bad things that happened in the past while people are dying now? Nobody is refuting what other atrocities other countries did in the past but you don't seem too keen on condemning what Russia is doing right now. I don't understand.

ang dating ng western media akala mo first time in the history of war may nabomba ospital

for me obvious ang agenda ng western media -- to exploit people's emotions... to make people angry

the goal of western media is to make their governments join the war

dinadaan nila sa tao

make people angry --> angry people demand gov't action --> gov't pressured to do something

papunta nuclear war ito

[uls]

people are demanding no fly zone

accept the offer of poland (MIG jets)

so far the US gov't is showing restraint

[shadow]

people are demanding no fly zone

accept the offer of poland (MIG jets)

so far the US gov't is showing restraint

Sinong mga people nag demand niyan?


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[Wh1stl3r]

ang dating ng western media akala mo first time in the history of war may nabomba ospital

for me obvious ang agenda ng western media -- to exploit people's emotions... to make people angry

the goal of western media is to make their governments join the war

dinadaan nila sa tao

make people angry --> angry people demand gov't action --> gov't pressured to do something

papunta nuclear war ito

I don't think they want nuclear war naman. Nobody wins in that scenario. More on piling the pressure on Russia since it is clear, they are the aggressor and the one in the wrong here.

My attitude towards this war is simple. Don't forget the sins of the past, sure. But the buck has to stop somewhere. If we allow a cycle of tit for tat to continue there will never be peace and stability. And what is in front of us right now has the greatest impact on our lives.

[uls]

Sinong mga people nag demand niyan?


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ay napakadami



just go to twitter

and i'm not talking about nobodies with 12 followers

many are influential personalities with large following

di sapat para sa kanila ang economic sanctions

they're demanding the US gov't do more