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    before the invasion happened:

    A call between US President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday "did not go well," a senior Ukrainian official told CNN, amid disagreements over the "risk levels" of a Russian attack.

    The White House, however, disputed the official's account, warning that anonymous sources were "leaking falsehoods." They did state that Biden warned Zelensky an imminent invasion is a "distinct possibility."

    On the call, which the Ukrainian official described as "long and frank," Biden warned his Ukrainian counterpart that a Russian attack may be imminent, saying that an invasion was now virtually certain, once the ground had frozen later in February, according to the official.

    Zelensky, however, restated his position that the threat from Russia remains "dangerous but ambiguous," and it is not certain that an attack will take place, the official said.


    Zelensky urged his American counterpart to "calm down the messaging," warning of the economic impact of panic, according to the official. He also said Ukrainian intelligence sees the threat differently.

    The Ukrainian leader pointed to a recent breakthrough in negotiations with Russia in Paris, saying that he hoped a ceasefire agreement with rebels in eastern Ukraine would be maintained. He also said the talks between the US, Russia and NATO still had some distance to run before diplomatic efforts had been exhausted, the official said.
    Ukrainian official tells CNN Biden's call with Ukrainian President 'did not go well' but White House disputes account - CNNPolitics

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    the West already made it clear that letting Russia have Ukrainian land sets a bad precedent

    that's why they want zelensky to continue fighting

    the goal is to drive russia out of all ukrainian territory including crimea
    It's not what the west want, it's how the modern society supposed to work. hinde pwede na mag invade isang country tapos sabihin niya sa kanya na yun just to stop the invasion. We are not in genghis khan time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    the West already made it clear that letting Russia have Ukrainian land sets a bad precedent

    that's why they want zelensky to continue fighting

    the goal is to drive russia out of all ukrainian territory including crimea

    which means it will be a long, costly war

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    nothing

    pansin mo there's nothing from the UN

    absolutely nothing

    parang the UN doesn't exist
    and zelensky / ukraine is one to blame for all the mess right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    It's not what the west want, it's how the modern society supposed to work. hinde pwede na mag invade isang country tapos sabihin niya sa kanya na yun just to stop the invasion. We are not in genghis khan time.


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    what's your point?

    wanna go further back in time?

    go back to 2014/15

    look up what John Mearsheimer said about Ukraine

    who is John Mearsheimer?



    huwag puro recent news articles

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsupermario View Post
    and zelensky / ukraine is one to blame for all the mess right?
    look up John Mearsheimer

    hanapin mo ano sabi niya re: ukraine back in 2014/15

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    zelensky does not appear to be the puppet of the us as you make him out to be

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    ^^^

    US:

    Zelensky, pls go on TV again

    it's the grammy's this time


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    US:

    Zelensky, pls go on TV again

    it's the grammy's this time

    “The war. What’s more opposite to music?” he said. “The silence of ruined cities and killed people. Our children draw swooping rockets, not shooting stars. Over 400 children have been injured and 153 children died, and we will never see them drawing.

    “Our parents are happy to wake up in the morning — in bomb shelters, but alive. Our loved ones don’t know if we will be together again. The war doesn’t let us choose who survives and who stays in eternal silence.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsupermario View Post
    “The war. What’s more opposite to music?” he said. “The silence of ruined cities and killed people. Our children draw swooping rockets, not shooting stars. Over 400 children have been injured and 153 children died, and we will never see them drawing.

    “Our parents are happy to wake up in the morning — in bomb shelters, but alive. Our loved ones don’t know if we will be together again. The war doesn’t let us choose who survives and who stays in eternal silence.”
    he's being used by the Establishment to make the case to the American public that US needs to spend billions of dollars to fight another war

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