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    Quote Originally Posted by macsd View Post
    Don't get me wrong. Please take what i've written objectively rather than subjectively. Just like you & the rest, i hated Marcos at the later part of his era so much so that i've braved the street demostrations from the 1978 noise barrage until EDSA. Let's not take the credit where credit is due, it does not mean i glorify him.

    My point is, from time of Cory to the current president, does anyone of them ever thought of coming up with new dams to alleviate the power problems & irrigation ? The answer is none thus the power problem has been a cycle from 1986 until now. While FVR and some had come up with power barges as generators, at the end this made the power cost go sky high since their are either mostly owned by political supporters.

    Yes, Marcos was corrupt as he & his cronies get's to have a commission or centralized corruption. But where are we now, corruption has even become a plague so much so that everyone takes part of the pie, from barangay captain , to municipal personnel to mayors, then congressman , then senators and in some cases to Malacanang.

    Sometimes we have to use our brain rather than the heart, we have to rational rather than let our emotion over come the better of us.
    Yup, just like Greece - corruption and nationalism combined!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [archie] View Post
    It's hard to argue with close minded people. It's what they saw nung Marcos era and blinded by the means to get there.

    "ok lang corrupt, basta may ginawang maganda"
    +1 to this. naka program na sa utak ng karamihan ng mga pilipino ang ganito. kaya wala talagang asenso ang pilipinas dahil sobrang baba ng standard natin. okay lang magnakaw basta may nagawang dams at highways

    when marcos started to institutionalise corruption, that's where our problems started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    What Marcos had during the 20 years was continuity. Imagine how many national projects were in the pipeline but would be affected by change on leadership. Every leadership change since Cory was to undo the previous administration legacy. The current term limits of one six year term is not enough to see any project to fruitation.... More like 5 years since the last year would be a lameduck.

    Also not all dam project were Marcos'. San Roque was Ramos

    San Roque Dam (Philippines) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Casecnan Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I agree it's 6 years but someone got to start somewhere. If the seating president have the same mind set like the idiot now in malacanang na dapat matapos ang project with in his term just to grab the limelight, facking shiiit power problem will be forever.
    The problem is politics and detemination, not necessarily the term of office.

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    Also Marcos ruled unquestioned with presidential decrees and a rubber stamp legislature. A project moved quickly since it goes to one of his many cronies like Rodolfo Cuenca. Nowadays, a project will be laced with kickbacks and red tape every step of the way, in the name of "transperency:...

    Crony tells of rivalry in Marcos’ inner circle - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos

    Titled ?Builder of Bridges, the Rudy Cuenca Story,? the biography written by Jose Dalisay Jr. and Antonette Reyes is more than a story about the rise and fall from grace of Cuenca?s Construction and Development Corporation of the Philippines (CDCP), the biggest Philippine construction conglomerate at the time.

    The book reveals the corruption and the corrosive tensions among the Marcos? Palace elite that contributed to its downfall during the last three years of the dictatorship.

    Dysfunctional regime

    The Marcos regime is depicted as dysfunctional, torn by the vicious rivalry among contending factions who had carved up their own power bases, including economic sectors created by the dictator to establish monopolies controlled by favored cronies in an arrangement described by scholars as ?crony capitalism.?

    Cuenca was one of those cronies. His conglomerate held sway over a broad range of construction enterprises based on infrastructure development, which, according to Cuenca, was the Marcos dictatorship?s lasting legacy, despite his demolition of representative and elected democracy with his martial law declaration.

    Cuenca?s conglomerate ranged from cement production to hotel building, superhighway construction, mass transport system for Metro Manila, projects for Manila International Airport development, and bridge-building, notably the fabulous San Juanico Bridge spanning Leyte and Samar. The bridge, an architectural gem, looks very much like the iconic, Sydney Harbor Bridge, in Australia.

    The book recalls ?Inside the Third Reich,? the memoir written by Albert Speer, Nazi minister of armaments from 1942 to 1945, who drafted Hitler?s grandiose plan of building magnificent buildings and monuments celebrating his vision of Berlin as the capital of the reich ?of a thousand years.?

    Crony capitalism

    Cuenca?s biography tempts one to dub his role in the Marcos regime as the architect and even the executor of the dictator?s infrastructure vision.

    Speer?s book has been described as the ?definitive work? on the inner workings of Nazi Germany. Cuenca?s biography similarly reveals the inner workings of the Marcos elite hierarchy and his role in that power structure.

    Cuenca is not embarrassed by his much-criticized close association with Marcos and his being tagged as a crony.

    But the book for the first time reveals what was happening behind the scenes in the Marcos close circle and the dynamic of crony capitalism. Much of what we know comes from outside sources and from Marcos? self-serving diaries.

    From available data, the book is the first time a Marcos crony or a senior functionary has written about his role in the Marcos hierarchy. The book reveals quite a lot of things, but it does not tell all.

    Cuenca is not apologetic about his association with Marcos and admits his conglomerate benefited enormously from this. The book also reveals that he was an outsider among the cronies.

    Cuenca recalls his first encounter with Marcos, sometime in the 1950s. ?Ferdinand Marcos was already a congressman when I first met him. My mother had a legal problem and she hired him as a lawyer.?

    Campaign contributions

    The next meeting took place in connection with the setting up of Filipinas Cement in the late 1950s, when Cuenca?s group needed Senator Marcos to take up the cudgels for them with the National Economic Council.

    The third time he met Marcos was when Cuenca was working with the Lopez group on Sheraton Hotel (now Hyatt Hotel). By that time, Marcos was aiming for the presidency and wanted to become the Liberal Party candidate, which President Diosdado Macapagal promised to him.

    But when Macapagal reneged on his promise, Marcos bolted the Liberal Party and sought to join the Nacionalista Party. He turned to Bobby Benedicto of the powerful sugar bloc for help.

    The Filipinas Cement group made a P50,000 contribution to the Marcos campaign, although it did the same thing for Macapagal. Cuenca said this equidistance was the ?practice of politically prudent businessmen.?

    In the 1969 election, in which Marcos ran for reelection, Cuenca was approached by the administration for help to raise funds. He sometimes donated printed items. ?At times, they?d borrow our aircraft,? he adds.

    Passion for golf

    Golf, for which Marcos had a passion, cemented the ties between him and Cuenca. Cuenca recalls that he first played golf with Marcos and Benedicto in 1967 at the Malacañang golf course.

    Sometimes, after golf, they would play pelota or swim at the Olympic size swimming pool where, Cuenca recalls, ?I could really talk to him.?

    He says that golf was ?one of the ways by which anyone who had business to do with the President would have access to him.?

    Cuenca says that during one of these talks, they talked about the Lopezes, and Marcos told Cuenca that he suspected the Lopezes of financing the student demonstrations, but ?he didn?t tell me anything about declaring martial law.?

    Marcos keeps to himself his plan for martial law declaration to a smaller circle of cronies, including Defense Secretary Juan Ponce Enrile, AFP Chief of Staff Gen. Fabian Ver and Constabulary chief Lt. Gen. Fidel V. Ramos. Marcos compartmentalized his crony system. Cuenca, the infrastructure builder, was out of that.

    (To be continued)
    Last edited by Monseratto; May 30th, 2014 at 01:29 PM.

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    Kawawang Pinas...bopols kasi mga botante..kahit sino ilagay niyo diyan sablay parin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver1013 View Post
    Kawawang Pinas...bopols kasi mga botante..kahit sino ilagay niyo diyan sablay parin...
    Hindi naman nila ginusto maging bobo. It's the fault of the influential and powerful who ensured that the systems are in place to keep then uneducated.

    How do you expect to have a smarter generation to come when our basic education is so woefully inadequate?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Hindi naman nila ginusto maging bobo. It's the fault of the influential and powerful who ensured that the systems are in place to keep then uneducated.

    How do you expect to have a smarter generation to come when our basic education is so woefully inadequate?


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    Unfortunately, a lot of those who ensure the bobo system continues, and their offspring whom they groom to continue their kagaguhan, aren't exactly bright bulbs either.

    I always believed a fundamentally sound educational system is a big must for us to move forward for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    Unfortunately, a lot of those who ensure the bobo system continues, and their offspring whom they groom to continue their kagaguhan, aren't exactly bright bulbs either.

    I always believed a fundamentally sound educational system is a big must for us to move forward for good.
    And there lies the problem,political dynasty,most politicians say they want the very best for this peolple,sad to say good for print and broadcast media only but lacking in actions

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    Lahat naman ng mga yan nagkaroon ng corruption... pero sino sa kanila nagkaroon ng maraming projects? Sino ang meron mga ginawang batas na hanggang ngayon batas pa rin na napapakinabangan ng Pilipinas? Sino talaga ang meron malasakit sa bayan, mga Oligarchs ba? Kung talagang mas matinding corrupt si Marcos kesa sa ngayon, bakit marami siyang naipatayong infrastructures, at mas pro-farmer agrarian reforms.

    Oo nangutang nga siya sa panahon niya, natural yan kasi bini-buildup pa ang Pilipinas [from 3rd World country] nasa investment stage pa lang. Kasalanan ni Cory yan, kung itinuloy niya sana o hinayaan lang niya gamitin ng Pilipino mga projects na yan, for sure from 1986 up to now, bumalik na ang Return of Investment [ROI] ng mga yan, kumita pa. Pinagkaisahan ng mga dilawan, media, oligarchs at pati komunista si Marcos. Ginamit ang black propaganda na ipinapatay daw ni Marcos si Ninoy, mga 2% population ng Pilipinas naging emosyonal naman, pumunta sa EDSA, kumusta buhay kaya ng mga taong yun ngayon? gumanda kaya?

    Nagwagi sila [dilawan]... kaya ngayon dumami mga corrupt, lumaki ang corruption, mas lumiit na ang bilang ng mga projekto [solusyong tagpi-tagpi pa], at nag-piyesta na ang mga oligarchs.

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    in my opinion, cory's failure was in failing to moderate population growth.
    she didn't even try..
    you can say anything, but in my view, many of our problems today stem from our huge population.
    my 90 centavos' worth.

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