Things you need to know before idolizing marcos

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As I've said dati kung ano lang nakikita. If that's critical thinking... Well.

Jhnkvn believed he changed my pov.

then please tell me what is the sustainable plan if Marcos was not overthrown? Hindi nga makabayad. Remember 95% gdp to debt. Restructure how? Longer payment, more interest, lower monthly/annual? So 5% left will be 10% to 15%? That's nearly enough to run a country. In turn, kailangan pa rin umutang. Tama? Tapos restructure again to run at least 50% gdp to budget. Longer payment again hangang apo ng apo na ang magbabayad? All these for infrastructure that don't turn to gdp.

Implicates sadsad sa utang no way to pay back. Kung hindi garapal pagutang dati hindi lolobo international debt.

OK lang debt but not to the point of bankruptcy.

As I've said marami wrong doings presidents or even politicians. Still can't compare for the regime of a single dictator. He had the advantage of continuing the progress but no, he continued to build and build for the sake of asking more debt.

I think you missed this

Again, did he stop building? No. Meaning?

OK lang infrastructure but not to the point of bankruptcy.

That was always my stand. No, you did not change my point of view.

Anyway, back to topic. I'm with ClaNker here, I'll just wait for factual indicators.

[ClaNker]

^ All we need to do is stick to a written History. Heck even Lee Kwan Yew wrote some in his book, he's no ABS-CBN. IMF is no ABS-CBN either, I could go on.

Pointing finger to now or others is so Tanda, ***y, and Pogi. Nabenta na po yan. Woulda... coulda... Isn't going to fly either, unless you're some intellectual failing miserably to be intelligent. I'll stick my butt to a written fact, after all we are talking about history here.

All Marcoses have right now are propaganda, heck even before really. Active po sa pesbuk yang propagandang yan, at ang daming kabaatang nauto nyan ngayon.

[A121]

The assassination of Ninoy is the main catalyst that led to Marcos downfall, not the 1980 recession.
Although the "ligaya" already ended up as early as 1979, when Marcos started to get sick.
And political bickering between the hardliners and the cronies started to divide his administration.

The policies were definitely unsustainable causing chaos - similar to what happened in Argentina before. Everyone got pissed off already. Snowballed and exploded in front of their faces.

[glenn_duke]

Daming kabataan nauuto ng Marcos propaganda sa facebook?
Hindi normal na kabataan yan kung magbababad sa facebook dahil kay Marcos.

To state that the "daming kabataan nauuto ngayon" you must be stalking the Marcos fanpage to arrive at that conclusion.
Ingat, baka madevelop, ma convert. lol.

"They say the big lies and they are believed. The nurture in the public a nostalgia for a return of a Marcos.
And having lived in that era, I know they’re untrue, but even I begin to doubt sometimes that maybe I was wrong." quote from someone who hate Marcos.

[A121]

"They say the big lies and they are believed. The nurture in the public a nostalgia for a return of a Marcos.
And having lived in that era, I know they’re untrue, but even I begin to doubt sometimes that maybe I was wrong." quote from someone who hate Marcos.

who is this someone? and I guess that someone represents the view of someone who *knows* better

[ClaNker]

Daming kabataan nauuto ng Marcos propaganda sa facebook?
Hindi normal na kabataan yan kung magbababad sa facebook dahil kay Marcos.

To state that the "daming kabataan nauuto ngayon" you must be stalking the Marcos fanpage to arrive at that conclusion.
Ingat, baka madevelop, ma convert. lol.

"They say the big lies and they are believed. The nurture in the public a nostalgia for a return of a Marcos.
And having lived in that era, I know they’re untrue, but even I begin to doubt sometimes that maybe I was wrong." quote from someone who hate Marcos.

Idiot post and that someone is a retarded fool.

[niky]

OK lang debt but not to the point of bankruptcy.

I think a major indicator of the level of bankruptcy is that it took us almost thirty years to pay it back and reduce debt to an easily serviceable level again.

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Also, as a side note:

We decry the criminality now, saying that things were better under Marcos? Right.

I had a grand-uncle who was a police general under Marcos. Had any problems? Call him, it would be fixed, no questions asked. No one could complain... because under Martial Law... who could you complain to if you weren't connected to those in power?

Know the primary source of protein for fish in Laguna Bay back in those days? Neither do I, but a good secondary source was whoever was dumped over the side of a boat in the middle of the night.

With all the billions spent on hardware, and with the millions in kickbacks spread between Ver and his cronies (I have in-laws in the military), did they manage to end the communist insurgency? They didn't? Really?

As a side note, guess why we had so many coup d'etats during Cory's term... and why unrest occasionally surfaces within the ranks... because the same old-boy network in the military that supported Marcos stayed in place after he was ousted. And it's only now, decades later, that we're finally starting to hold them responsible for the billions of pesos of public money they waste on kickbacks and corruption.

Again... corruption is acceptable? How much is? What level should it be at before it becomes unsustainable? Right before hyperinflation occurs or right after? Or after the country becomes an international pariah thanks to the public execution of a political exile? Where would Marcos have turned? To the US, who could no longer publicly support him? To China or Russa, after being a staunch opponent of Communism? The only "what if" scenario that would even remotely work out is one wherein Marcos doesn't declare Martial Law.

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Mind you, I had a relatively happy life under Martial Law. We lived in constant stress right afterwards, due to the coups, the unrest, the economy. But those are growing pains. For an upper-middle class shielded from the harsh realities and problems of the Philippines, being forced to face the consequences of Marcos's mistakes and sins was a big slap in the face.

The Philippines is still not in great shape. And so far, we have not had a single President who can hold a candle to someone like Lee Kwan Yew (and laughable to say that his quotes are from ABS-CBN... since they're taken directly from his own book). But then, neither could Marcos. Sorry.

[TopEngine]

Since napag-uusapan lang naman ang HISTORY, watch this

AQUINO-COJUANGCO: FACTS THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW! - YouTube

I'll post part 2 later.

[glenn_duke]

who is this someone? and I guess that someone represents the view of someone who *knows* better

Maybe, but unfortunately she is a "retarded fool" to some.

[funkeemunkee]

“The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over twenty years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics. They supported the winning presidential and congressional candidates with their considerable resources and reappeared in the political and social limelight after the 1998 election that returned President Joseph Estrada.”

I have a copy of "From third world to first" btw.

If the Marcoses regain high elected positions of the land (one is senator already),there goes your "soft, forgiving culture". Makalimutin at maawain masyado mga Pinoy. Kung sa Hapon yan siguro nag-harakiri na buong angkan sa kahihiyan. Pero sa Pilipinas malakas ang "kung makakalusot, ilulusot" attitude. Sad but true.