Stop Pinoy Migration!

[jpdm]

Let's continue...

Anyway, it also have something to do with again with your standard of living. For instance kung taga Ayala-Alabang ka, bakit ka mag-a-apply sa McDo? Pero kung galing ka sa depressed areas, at pumipila sa NFA rice pamilya mo, kung store manager ka at cashier sa Mcdo o Jollibee earning 18,000-20,000 pesos, it means alot to a below poverty family..
Not really, well at least from my experience. Maybe there, image is everything, but here they admire you if you have work at all.

Sa totoo lang sir, pag mahirap ka ang 18,000 pesos ay napakalaki na para sa kanila. Hanggang ngayon nga may milyong pamilya (as a matter of fact) ) pa sa pinas ang nagkakasya sa 8,000 pesos na kita kada buwan. Sumaryosep. Kung lima kayo paano pagkakasyahin yun?

The problem is, if you find work, they'll squeeze as much as they can out of you to make the most out of your salary, even bending or breaking the rules to get something done. These things I mention are not the petty stuff like doing favors but more of the working overtime but not getting paid type.

Ganyan naman ang employer all over the world. Yung nagsisimula Korea ginawang alipin sa mga EPZs tao nila. Right now, millions are still suffering the same fate. Ang US nga is accused of maintaning sweatshops in China, Central America ( Honduras, Puerto Rico, Carribean) and South Pacific (Micronesia). Dito sa PInas, ganun din . Lalo sa mga ecozones, SMEs and undocumented mom and pop businesses.

Eventually people will realize that if you know your worth, you will demand more, and if the employers can't provide that, then it's time to move on. There are some who move on but don't leave the country, which is highly admirable, really. But there are some who can't stand it anymore, and get out the soonest they can.

Ideally, if you have alot of options. Paano kung wala?You have to stick with your job a.k.a. hellhole.

Alot of people with no work here and needs to survive has to go overseas. Pero hindi naman ganun kadali. Yung bang:

"Ay abroad ako. apply ako overseas. alis ako next month dapat." Ganun ba yun. Hindi ganun kadali.Yung mga nurses nga. Ilang butas ng karayom ang dadaanan?Bago makaalis.....

But work isn't everything, like I said. Granted, if you find work here in the US that's comparable to the work you have or had back there, I'd like to know one thing. Do you live with peace of mind?

Of course. Lalo dun sa mga ok na lugar.Hindi naman lahat ng parte ng Pinas ay hell house.

Take a simple walk with your iPod in your ears while you listen to tunes. Here, it's doable although I've heard of increased crimes against those. But nonetheless, the chances are very low. However, take the situation there and you're sure to lose your iPod the first few minutes. Another example, if you leave your car outside a store for just a few minutes, do you always lock it? Here, for countless times already, I've seen people who just park and shut off the engine with the windows down and the doors unlocked. They get back knowing that nobody will touch their car. Finally, I'll tell you a story about an apartment fire we had last year that almost got into the complex itself but fortunately was put off quickly. We called the 911, and to my surprise when I mentioned all the information about the address, nature of emergency, etc that someone already called it in. This was just minutes after the fire alarm broke out. The fire engines arrived in less than 5 minutes from the moment I made the call, and put out the flames quickly. Do you think that the same thing would have happened there?

Sir, why not live in the provinces and find out. Hindi lahat ng lugar sa Pinas nilason na ng krimen. Ang hirap kasi iilan lang ba naka-ipod sa PInas? Samantalang marami sa maynila at sa buong Pilipinas for that matter ay halos hindi kumakain ng tatlong beses isang araw,pambili nga ng pandesal nagre-reklamo na ipod pa.. Kung kumakain man halos wala ng sustansya.

Ang hirap kasing i-compare sa Amerika ang Pinas e. No. 1 economic superpower. Leading G7 or advanced country with one of the highest per capita income.Officially, totally eradicated poverty sa US. (but the New Orleans incident is an eye opener for mighty America)

Ang Pinas, in 2003-2006 alone mas dumami pa mahirap. nadagdagan ata ng 2 million yung million pang naghihikahos (official 25%.unofficial 60% of 88 million.)Magkano budget ng US sa Iraq war palang $70 billion dollars ata. Budget na ng Pinas yan for 2 years. kalahati pa sa budget natin pambayad sa utang. bakit maliit budget kasi, maraming mayayaman, professional, businesses at self-employed di nagbabayad ng tax sa Pinas. Maraming tax evaders. Pero daming hinihingi. Ngayon yung karampot na nakuha ng gobyerno, nanakawin ng mga tao sa gobyerno at wawaldasin ng mga politiko.

Alang comparison. Anyway,

Ang yet in a poverty free country like the US, may economic crime pa rin. may carnapping pa rin. may na-ma-mugged pa din. Nananakawan pa. Kidnapping, serial killing etc. Diba dami ghetto US? Siguro ang almost nil ang crime duon yung mga states na halos alang tao.
Kala ko murder capital ang Washington D.C.?New York notorious sa all types of krimen. Kala ko "perfect, poverty-free society US?"

Im sorry. Di ko matanggap comparison mo. Ang "perfect model society" versus a model of maldevelopment na iilan lang ang nakikinabang sa pInas.

Ang alam ko, ang Los Angeles sabi ng barkada ko (20 years nasa US), marami din dun daw na lugar katulad ng sa PInas.

Dito madaling intindihin yung nakawan ka ng ipod sir kasi maraming gutom dito. Sa America in the midst of prosperity, bakit may economic crime din?

I mean, those are just examples from my experience. I know my tax money is being spent on those if I needed emergency assistance. Back there, maybe so, but your mind will rest uneasy of the possibilities it might not happen at all.It's not just realizing one's worth, but also getting your money's worth. The cost of living here may be higher, but the amount of worrying and anxiety you face daily are definitely lower. I mean, just driving back there is so stressful, you don't know if you'll get into an accident or not, or whether anybody knew how to drive properly at all. I mentioned that last bit since this is a car forum.

What if the Philippines has a vibrant advance economy? An economy that can absorb all of its workers and provide good services to its people?With the same per capita like the US? With a small population in proportion to its size. (the US has a small population in relation to its size)?With a strong middle class?A government with conscience with a strong commitment to duty, honor and nationhood?

[jpdm]

Excerpts from Fewer nurses seeking US jobs
By Delon Porcalla
Sunday, April 27, 2008
Philippine Star

Delay Deployment of OFWs


The local recruitment industry also reported recently that at least 30,000 newly hired overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) are facing possible displacement due to delays in their deployment to job sites in the Middle East.
The Federated Association of Manpower Exporters (FAME) said many recruitment agencies deploying workers to various countries in the Middle East are unable to deploy workers immediately because of the recurring problem of outbound flight shortage.
“At least 1,000 workers are unable to leave daily and are now facing cancellation of contracts by their employers for failure to arrive at the job sites as required,” FAME vice president Jackson Gan said.
Gan said it usually takes a month for Middle East-bound workers to obtain airline bookings despite approval of their overseas employment contracts.
Recruitment leaders expressed fear that if the flight shortage would continue, thousands of workers would lose their chance to work in the Middle East and earn high salaries.
Aside from the local recruitment industry, members of the tourism industry also warned that the prevailing flight shortage would affect the arrival and departure of tourists in the country.
The recruitment and tourism sectors then called on the government to adopt new policies that would allow more foreign carriers to enter the country and transport OFWs and tourists abroad.
They also urged the government to allow foreign airlines to schedule chartered flights to and from Clark to the Middle East and provide more airline seats for OFWs until regular flights have been scheduled. - With Mayen Jaymalin

[Jun aka Pekto]

Ang yet in a poverty free country like the US, may economic crime pa rin. may carnapping pa rin. may na-ma-mugged pa din. Nananakawan pa. Kidnapping, serial killing etc. Diba dami ghetto US? Siguro ang almost nil ang crime duon yung mga states na halos alang tao.
Kala ko murder capital ang Washington D.C.?New York notorious sa all types of krimen. Kala ko "perfect, poverty-free society US?"

The US isn't poverty-free. Not by a long shot. Each state is semi-autonomous and have their own laws. That's why cops from one state cannot just chase a criminal across into another state. Not all states have it easy. Take Louisiana. It's a state that has to deal with New Orleans, a city full of poor people and rife with crime/corruption. If there's any one place in the US that bears a resemblance to the Philippines, it's New Orleans.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comme...ory&id=3299487

Read the comments. There are a lot of parallels to what's being discussed here both pros and cons.

[KBR]

Sir, naliwanagan ako na.....

Na kabilang kayo sa upper middle class or yung galing sa high income group. Taga-ayala alabang,mayaman, may pinag-aralan at matalino.

Tungkol sa low-paying job, tanong ko lang ho, ano ba ang definition nyo ng low paying job? Di ho ba depende sa standard/ cost of living ng isang bansa o individual ang basis kung low yung salary o hindi (nominal and real wage)?

Ngayon po kasi, GDP per PPP na po ginagamit hindi na GDP per capita ang measurement.

Ikalawa po, tanong po sir, masama (hindi ginagamit ang utak)ho ba talaga sa isang college graduate na mag-trabaho sa McDO o Shoemart? Paano po kung admin postion po yung available?

Sa inyong bansa ang Amerika, yun ho bang mga McDo dyan e walang empleyado na college grad at puro high school grad lang po?

Kasi po ang dating sa akin kung college grad ka, wag ka sa fastfood o shopping mall....So dapat ho wag magtrabaho sa walmart o sa burger king o Mcdo ang mga college grad sa Amerika kasi mahina kita.


Last po sir, sa totoo lang hanga na sana ako sa mga kwento mo sa mga achievements nyo--ang tindi background nyo. Pero nung tinawag mong K**** tatay mo(bakit di na-censor ng moderator itong word na ito), nawala pagkabilib ko sa iyo.


Peace.

tol, naiintindihan ko ang point mo. but hindi ako nag post para ipagmalaki ang achievments ko (or namin) at kung paano kami nakapunta sa Amerika. kundi inexplain ko lang anng situation kung bakit kami napadpad sa Amerika (na kahit ako, di ko ginustong pumunta sa US.. 14 yrs old ako nung time na iyon.)

also, I would apologize kung hindi mo nagustuhan ang nasabi ko sa erpats ko (biruin mo, nag apologize pa ako sa iyo), pero personal na "beef" ko sa kanya iyon. (pero pinoint out ko lang na in my Mothers case na mahirap talaga mag palaki ng 4 na anak, specially pag wala ang Ama). and I bet, that theres alot of families out there in the Philippines (or kahit sino man sa mundo) that probably has experienced the same struggles that we had.

kaya if theres a struggle, then you have to find a solution to overcome your struggles.

anyhow, doon naman sa issue tungkol sa McDo or Shoemart, well prime example ko lang yon. wala akong nilalait na tao, dahil porket nag tatrabaho sila sa McDo or Shoemart. pinopoint out ko lang na sa hirap ng buhay sa Pilipinas, kung nag tapos ka ng kolehiyo (at kung mataas ang degree na tinapos mo) minsan, mahirap makakuha ng disenteng trabaho (not unless na may kilala ka sa loob. alam mo yon, kahit sa mga trabaho, may pulitika din.)

and sure, pwede kang mag trabaho sa Retail or Fastfood/Restaurant services for Work Experience, or for short term. pero siguro naman may pangarap ka sa buhay diba?? hindi ka din papayag na doon ka nalang naka pako sa ganong klaseng trabaho. pero of course, nasa tao na din iyon. kaya kanyang kanyang diskarte na yan.

also, just to let you know, diyan din ako nag simula, nag trabaho ako sa Fastfood (Taco Bell, Jack in the Box.. even Goldilocks! lolz!) nung bata pa ako (16-18 yrs old). at dito yun sa Amerika. biruin mo, 16 yrs old, hindi pa ako tapos mag High School, nag tatrabaho na ako. pero di ako pinilit ng parents ko mag trabaho, di kami mahirap, or mayaman. pero gusto ko lang ma experience kung pano mag trabaho at maging independent. para matutunan ko kung paano mamuhay.

nag sumikap ako, tulad ng nanay ko. kaya may na achieve ako, pero para sa akin, hindi pa sapat iyon. bata pa ako (only 26 yrs. old) kaya I think marami pa akong ma a-acomplish sa buhay ko (para sa kapakanan din ng magiging pamilya ko).

anywayz, to the topic again..

you really cant stop Filipino migration. and I think that mas logical gawin ang mag migrate ang mga Pinoy (maging OFW or Immigrant), make their money, and send some of their hard earn cash to the Philippines so that they can help support their family back home. which in turn, helps our struggling economy.


aite, peace.

[KBR]

also, * jpdm..

marami pong Americans (yes American citizens.. puti at itim) na nasa within OR below the Poverty Level. yes, marami din ang mahirap dito.. hindi lang pinapakita sa TV overseas.

madaming homeless dito, madaming walang trabaho, madami din na konti lang ang kinikitang $$$. malaki ang crime rate, homicide, murder, you name it we got it.

mas madami pa atang homeless persons sa San Francisco & L.A. (combined) kaysa sa buong Pilipinas.

malaki at malawak lang kasi ang Amerika, kaya ang poverty, crimes, etc.. ay hindi masyado napapansin.

madami ding corrupt dito (politicians, businessmen, etc..) pero hindi lang napapansin. hindi kasi bulgar dito, di tulad sa Pilipinas.

may utang din ang United Sates Government.. pati nga ang state of California, may budget deficit din. kahit nga ang city of Vallejo, mag fa-file na ng bankcrupcy!! kasi may budget deficit din!

may city na ba sa Pilipinas na nag file ng Bankcrupcy??


anywayz, I think that the United States of America is no different than the Philippines. pero ang pinagkaiba lang sa dalawang bansa ay ang Military. diyan talo ang Pilipinas, walang pondo sa Military and Armed Forces.



aite, peace.

[CVT]

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may utang din ang United Sates Government.. pati nga ang state of California, may budget deficit din. kahit nga ang city of Vallejo, mag fa-file na ng bankcrupcy!! kasi may budget deficit din!

may city na ba sa Pilipinas na nag file ng Bankcrupcy??

aite, peace.

Ang alam ko rin, ang Orange County nag-file ng bankruptcy some years ago... .... Pero, first time kong narinig iyan sa Northern California... Anyway, ano bang chapter? 11 or 13?.... Malamang debt for equity ang labanan diyan....

Dito sa Pilipinas, wala... kahit baon sa utang.... diretso pa rin ang buhay....

5909:burn:

5909:burn:

[jpdm]

marami pong Americans (yes American citizens.. puti at itim) na nasa within OR below the Poverty Level. yes, marami din ang mahirap dito.. hindi lang pinapakita sa TV overseas.

How ironic. A country that we keep on copying its economic policies and is regarded as the greatest economy on earth-- was not able to erase poverty in its midst.

I thought most of the scholarly journals that I have read talks about the non-existence of poverty in Anglo-America US and Canada, Western Europe Australia and New Zealand?

Hindi nga poverty term nila kundi marginalization and social exclusion.......

anyways, the bottom line is to harness our best skills and use it for our benefit no matter where, overseas man or domestically--importante we bring something back to our country....

[frenchtower]

Ang alam ko rin, ang Orange County nag-file ng bankruptcy some years ago... .... Pero, first time kong narinig iyan sa Northern California...

FYI, Orange is in SoCal.

[Akiyama]

also, * jpdm..

marami pong Americans (yes American citizens.. puti at itim) na nasa within OR below the Poverty Level. yes, marami din ang mahirap dito.. hindi lang pinapakita sa TV overseas.

madaming homeless dito, madaming walang trabaho, madami din na konti lang ang kinikitang $$$. malaki ang crime rate, homicide, murder, you name it we got it.

mas madami pa atang homeless persons sa San Francisco & L.A. (combined) kaysa sa buong Pilipinas.

malaki at malawak lang kasi ang Amerika, kaya ang poverty, crimes, etc.. ay hindi masyado napapansin.

madami ding corrupt dito (politicians, businessmen, etc..) pero hindi lang napapansin. hindi kasi bulgar dito, di tulad sa Pilipinas.

may utang din ang United Sates Government.. pati nga ang state of California, may budget deficit din. kahit nga ang city of Vallejo, mag fa-file na ng bankcrupcy!! kasi may budget deficit din!

may city na ba sa Pilipinas na nag file ng Bankcrupcy??


anywayz, I think that the United States of America is no different than the Philippines. pero ang pinagkaiba lang sa dalawang bansa ay ang Military. diyan talo ang Pilipinas, walang pondo sa Military and Armed Forces.



aite, peace.

I have to agree with you dude! maraming homeless people sa Southern Cali. May mga mexicans&black people. Sa US may poverty din. When I was in San Diego, madami akong nakitang mga tao na natutulog sa kariton lang. Same when I went to tokyo, may mga nanlilimos din. In my own point of view, mahirap pigilan ang Pinoy migration,same as Mexicans na tumatawid sa borderline papuntang US.With our economic status and stupid politicians,malabo mangyari to. Syempre iisipin ng tao kung pano sila magssurvive at magkaroon ng magandang buhay. I myself will go in US to work there on 2nd quarter of this year. Puro trabaho lang gagawin ko since thats my opportunity. Then pag nakaipon na. Pabalik balik na ulit ako dito sa Pinas para magbusiness since ayoko din na tumanda ako sa US.

peace

[Jun aka Pekto]

How ironic. A country that we keep on copying its economic policies and is regarded as the greatest economy on earth-- was not able to erase poverty in its midst.

I thought most of the scholarly journals that I have read talks about the non-existence of poverty in Anglo-America US and Canada, Western Europe Australia and New Zealand?

Hindi nga poverty term nila kundi marginalization and social exclusion.......

anyways, the bottom line is to harness our best skills and use it for our benefit no matter where, overseas man or domestically--importante we bring something back to our country....

None of us here have any illusions about poverty here. That's why I'm thankful all the time. My family could've been worse off.

Check this out.
US Poverty Wikipedia

Here's another take on poverty in the US:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm