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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanwilder View Post
    Btw, worst case scenario of this if the war between MNLF and malaysia escalates and thousands of mayalsians die. If they defeat the 10000 mnlf in sabah, Malaysia will force the Philippines to turn over ARMM to them in repartation, coz ARMM is the ruling body of MNLF. malaysia invades/occupied ARMM, a Philippine Sovereign land, then we are all forced to war.

    If we think hey why not just give armm to malaysia, they are all Muslims anyway. Who knows maybe 3 decades from now,Philippine Malaysian boundary will be Palawan na lang.
    If the Malaysians fight like the PH Military, na Cease0fire ng Ceasefire, then the war in Sabah will drag on for 50 years.

    Unfortunately, they are way way smarter than the Pinoy generals.
    Last edited by hein; March 10th, 2013 at 07:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hein View Post
    If the Malaysians fight like the PH Military, na Cease0fire ng Ceasefire, then the war in Sabah will drag on for 50 years.

    Unfortunately, they are way way smarter than the Pinoy generals.
    One of the Generals who conducted a lecture on Map reading during my ROTC days said that rebellion was long over if they had it their way. Ang problema nila ay ang pakialamerong HR, Media, and Politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoDer View Post
    One of the Generals who conducted a lecture on Map reading during my ROTC days said that rebellion was long over if they had it their way. Ang problema nila ay ang pakialamerong HR, Media, and Politics.
    Actually, its the Generals who want the war in the PH to drag on.

    That is their Business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    Kiram on Aquino: He's not acting like a Filipino
    By Thea Alberto-Masakayan | Yahoo! Southeast Asia Newsroom – Fri, Mar 8, 2013

    For Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, President Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III has failed the Filipino people when he chose to go with Malaysia in deciding on the Sabah crisis.

    The embattled 74-year-old Muslim leader also hit Aquino for "siding" with Malaysia instead of "hearing out" what his fellow Filipinos would say.....
    Pure BS yan ,

    When you say Filipino people it also means the rest of the 90 millions sa buong pilipinas na nilalagay ng mga kiram in a very delicate situation.
    Did the kirams thought over what is happening to the rst of the Filipinos especially the millions of Filipinos that worked and live in Sabah for the past few decades?

    They are the collateral damaged of a very st***id decision to assert your claim in aa armed conflict!!!

    +1000 to the post above that ; they call themselves as Moro during the armed conflict in Mindanao but call themselves as Filipinos when they are in Sabah dahil natatabi na sila .

    Pusta ko pa bahay ng Lola ko dyan , mabilis pa sa alas kuwatro magdedeclare ng independence yang mga yan IF makakuha nila Sabah e.

    Ang Hirap kasi dyan me nagpasulsol dyan without thinking it over Kung ano yung consequences ng gagawin nila e .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    . Saan sila Casino at mga miltante?
    Busy sa pag rally...

    Quote Originally Posted by hein View Post
    Actually, its the Generals who want the war in the PH to drag on.

    That is their Business.
    I have the same sentiments here. In some places in Mindanao where there very nice, resource-rich tracts of land, it's the military high-ups who are snapping those properties up.
    Last edited by vinj; March 11th, 2013 at 09:15 AM.

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    'Sulu man' attempts to take 80 Malaysian villagers hostage in Sabah, is lynched to death - report - InterAksyon.com

    'Sulu man' attempts to take 80 Malaysian villagers hostage in Sabah, is lynched to death - report

    An "armed intruder… of Sulu descent" has been lynched to death in a village in Sabah, Malaysian media reported on Sunday, after allegedly attempting to take 80 people hostage.

    Online news site Malaysiakini said the unidentified man, said to be in his 60s, was armed with an M16 rifle and grenade launcher. Malaysiakini quoted Sabah police chief Hamzah Taib as reporting that the man "had escaped from Kampung Sri Jaya Simunul, Sem****a" which has been secured by Malaysian forces following an ambush of police officers there by "intruders".

    The man "went house to house and demanded all 80 of the villagers to come out and instructed them to (enter) a mosque," Malaysiakini quoted Hamzah as saying. "Twenty youths, who were instructed to go to the mosque, then retaliated by beating him up and killing him," seizing an opportunity when the man put down his weapons and set to take a cigarette break.

    The incident took place at Kampung Senallang Lama, at around 7 a.m. on Sunday, Malaysian news agency Bernama said. The village was said to be 7 kilometers from Kampung Sri Jaya Simunul in Sem****a, where five Malaysian policemen were earlier killed in a skirmish with unidentified armed men. The Kampung Sri Jaya Simunul incident, in turn, is being investigated to see if it is linked to an ongoing standoff 150 kilometers away between Malaysian forces and around 100 men loyal to the sultanate of Sulu.

    News agency Bernama quoted a Kampung Senallang Lama villager as saying the lynched man had burst into the village shouting, "I am the one who shot the police last night."

    "The man then kicked open the doors of the houses and ordered the villagers to gather at a vacant area," another witness was quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hein View Post
    If the Malaysians fight like the PH Military, na Cease0fire ng Ceasefire, then the war in Sabah will drag on for 50 years.

    Unfortunately, they are way way smarter than the Pinoy generals.
    Wrong word. Baka ideal or more disciplined ang Malaysian generals if yun ang ibig mong sabihin.

    Mas smarter ang Pinoy generals kasi mas kumita sila. :D

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    Disguising imminent defeat as unilateral ceasefire | Opinion, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

    Disguising imminent defeat as unilateral ceasefire
    AS I WRECK THIS CHAIR By William M. Esposo (The Philippine Star) | Updated March 10, 2013

    You have to hand it to the Sultanate of Sulu for its masterful utilization of propaganda methods. Their unilateral declaration of a ceasefire, timed after UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon called for a cessation of hostilities in Sabah, was a face saving devise to avert the humiliation of defeat by the vastly superior Malaysian armed forces.

    The casualties were rising in the Sultanate’s side and if a reliable source is to be believed — they’re running low on supplies in Sabah. Last Monday, March 4, my informer in the Sultan Jamalul Kiram camp told me that by Friday, March 7, the so-called Royal Army of the Sultanate of Sulu could run out of bullets. The so-called unilateral ceasefire called last Thursday, March 7, by the Kirams coincides with this development.

    By calling for a unilateral ceasefire, the Sultanate hopes to avoid humiliating defeat and if Malaysia bites — they’ll be elevated to the status of an equal, instead of criminals who invaded and terrorized a territory that had voted in 1963 to remain with Malaysia. No way would Malaysia bite at that declaration of a unilateral ceasefire. They had the terrorists encircled. They would want to teach these terrorists a lesson. As expected, Malaysia rejected the call to reciprocate the Sultanate’s unilateral declaration of a ceasefire and opted to press their offensive. Malaysia is determined to charge the Sultan and his followers in court and have them tried as criminals.

    The Kirams didn’t fool me for a moment. Ever since the Sabah shooting started, they were engaging in psywar (psychological warfare) and many of our media colleagues provided them with undeserved exposure. In the Iraq War, we laughed our heads off when we heard that Iraqi propaganda minister predict the annihilation of US-led forces. Over here, our media could not discern if they were facing a Baghdad Bob, as that Iraqi propaganda minister was fondly called, and bit hook, line and sinker the Sultanate’s propaganda lines.

    Last Wednesday, March 6, the truth finally emerged. The Filipinos in Sabah who were supposed to rally to the Sultan’s cause refused to be associated with the Sabah incident. They condemned it. They were more concerned with their livelihoods, lives and assets. The real situation on the ground must have dawned on the Kirams — they were running low on supplies, their casualties were rising and there were no reinforcements to be expected from the local Sabah Filipino population.

    The call for a ceasefire by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon provided the Kirams with a face saving mechanism to call for a unilateral ceasefire. Throughout the crisis, they were proudly boasting of their willingness to die and that they’ll never surrender. In my book, that unilateral ceasefire was all about throwing in the towel after creating so many deaths, havoc and tension. If we had a narrow-minded president, we could have been dragged into a war with Malaysia.
    Opinion ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1

    In declaring the unilateral ceasefire, Abraham Idjirani, Sultanate spokesman was quoted: “The achievement of the Sultanate of Sulu obtained over the last few days cannot compare to the value of lives lost since the March 1st massacre.” Do they mean that this did not occur to them when they planned this misadventure? And do you believe them?

    It’s amazing how many supposedly educated folks were taken for a ride by this Sabah misadventure. They were made to perceive the troublemakers as romantic Muslim warriors, believing the Kiram proud boast that they were willing to die for their cause, which is to reclaim Sabah from Malaysia. Nobody even wondered why this under-manned and under-gunned Royal Army was hoping to regain Sabah from Malaysia when we, with our armed forces, cannot and should not undertake that misadventure.

    Forget about all the presentation of documents, speeches and what not about our historical claim to Sabah. These documents further cluttered the confused minds of many — instead of enlightening them. When more light shines on a confused mind, the more confused it gets. That’s what happened to these charlatans and would-be instant Sabah experts who failed to see through the pattern of deception being weaved and the futility of reviving the Sabah claim now.  

    The March 6 editorial of GMA News online that was contributed by an anthropologist best described the bottom line of this exercise in hypertension: “The asymmetry between the failed Sultanate and the modern Malaysian state it is challenging could not be more stark. What is interesting is that, confronted by a challenge to its sovereignty, Malaysia has revealed the true basis of a state’s power. Not democracy, not a social contract, not the rule of law, not the recognition of the international community of states ‑ which are the myths, the lies the state tells about itself — but violence.”

    It continued: “Sabah belongs to Malaysia because they can hold on to it, and neither the Philippines nor the Sultanate can take it from them. So the Sultanate fails in modern, “statist” terms as well, in that it cannot match Malaysia’s capacity for violence.”

    Go check the capability of the Malaysian armed forces. In 2012, they spent $4.37 billion. Go check the Malaysian air force and their combined firepower composed of BAE Hawk Mk.208, Sukhoi Su-30 MKM Flanker, Boeing F/A-18D Hornet, Mikoyan MiG-29N Fulcrum and Northrop F-5E Tiger II jets. Malaysia could destroy a Philippine invasion expedition within an hour after it leaves a Philippine port.

    When the charlatans and P-Noy haters raised their voices to “save the Filipino invaders in Sabah” they’re actually suggesting that we should send an expedition there to rescue the troublemakers. Philippine-Malaysia relations have been mutually beneficial in terms of trade and tourism. Malaysia played a key role in the crafting of the framework for peace with the MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front). It’s insane to want to be at war with such an ASEAN neighbor.

    To bolster the Malaysian claim to Sabah, they have a 1963 referendum where two-thirds of Sabah voted to remain with Malaysia. The UN duly acknowledged the validity of this referendum. To bolster the Malaysia claim, Dictator Ferdinand Marcos had renounced our claim to Sabah in 1977. To bolster the Malaysian claim to Sabah, the international court where these claims are contested doesn’t honor historical claims because that would only open a Pandora’s box. That would mean the return of the Americas to the Native Americans or the return of California and Texas to the Mexicans.

    In effect, these charlatans and P-Noy haters want us to embrace a trouble-making Sultanate and lose our good and mutually beneficial relations with Malaysia over a spurious Sabah claim. These charlatans like to posture as patriots. They’re really traitors.

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    When the charlatans and P-Noy haters raised their voices to “save the Filipino invaders in Sabah” they’re actually suggesting that we should send an expedition there to rescue the troublemakers. Philippine-Malaysia relations have been mutually beneficial in terms of trade and tourism. Malaysia played a key role in the crafting of the framework for peace with the MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front). It’s insane to want to be at war with such an ASEAN neighbor
    In effect, these charlatans and P-Noy haters want us to embrace a trouble-making Sultanate and lose our good and mutually beneficial relations with Malaysia over a spurious Sabah claim. These charlatans like to posture as patriots. They’re really traitors
    + 1000

    mali na nga yun ginawa sultan Kirat este Kiram gusto pa ng iba dyan tulungan o kunsintihin yun maling ginawa , madadamay tuloy buong Pilipinas, pati mga pinoy sa Sabah na nanahimik ang buhay
    Last edited by greenlyt; March 11th, 2013 at 11:29 AM.

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    i'm not a soldier, but you'd think that the priority would be evasion, forage, and regroup -- no. His instinct is to go warlord mode and enslave a village.
    You tend to ask yourself whether this is "business as usual" for the would-be hostage taker. Who knows baka eto ang gawain nila sa Mindanao/ARMM.


    So much for getting local support. i wouldn't be suprised if the remaining locals in Sabah, Filipino or Malaysian, wouldn't think twice about turning them over to the Malaysian military...that is, if they don't lynch them to death first.
    Last edited by badkuk; March 11th, 2013 at 11:35 AM.

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