Reproductive Health Bill 5043 [MERGED]

[CoDer]

There are many non-Catholic sources of the basis of the Bishops decision as medically proven facts as the contraceptive pills are truly abortifacient and that up to 90% of the users do get cancer and much too many die of such cancer and actual statistics of deterioration of societies of countries that embraced the UNHR Population Control agenda formulae as what the RH Bill also is promoting to impose on the Filipino people.

The agenda of the RH Bill actually is a political one.

Total non-sense.

Tell those padre damaso to stay away from the affairs of the state.

[ghosthunter]

Apparently some guys in this thread is not attuned with the present realities and still talk of the character-type as Fr. Damaso which was then perhaps maqny a type of the priest during the 18th and 19th century but is now perhaps exception to the rule or simply non-existent if one would care to look into how the priest and bishops in our present day and age operate in running their parishes, dioceses and Archdioceses.

The only people not attuned to the present realities are the priests and bishops who still treat their "followers" as if it was back at the turn of the 18th or 19th century Philippines.

Not know how the Catholic Church officials make decisions in fact makes guys assert non realities but such assertions are based on figments of their own imagination with no sound basis of verifiable facts.

What facts can you show us about how Catholic Church officials make their decisions?

There is always a strategy in making "faith" and "belief" over anything else.

The mudslinging certainly is horrendous..

The mudslinging is also coming from "People of God" and their followers. Where is the love and understanding that Jesus taught as written in the Bible?

I talked with many priests and a couple of bishops of them and their perspective is really deep and wide and they do not make sweeping statements that have no sound basis of verifiable facts..

If that is so, why do they knowingly spread so much false facts in pamphlets, etc that are distributed by the church or their followers?

Example:

Lying for a Cause
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011...g-for-a-cause/


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[ghosthunter]

http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2010...uctive-health/

[SIZE="4"]Catholics for Reproductive Health[/SIZE]


MANILA, Philippines – The Catholics for Reproductive Health is drumming up support among Catholics for the passage of the Reproductive Health bill.

Benjamin de Leon, president of the Forum for Family Planning and Development, said the group wants to inform the public especially Catholics that there is a lot of misinformation being spread by those opposed to the RH bill.

Among the so-called myths is that the proposed bill allows abortion and that it promotes promiscuity. … De Leon said they should read the bill first before opposing it because it does not allow abortion and does not promote promiscuity as the use of contraceptives is only for married couples who want to engage in family planning.

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He also noted that when a Catholic supports the bill, it does not mean that they are violating theological laws since abortion is not included in the bill. The group is confident that Congress will approve the bill after House Speaker Feliciano Belmonte said the measure should be discussed and voted on.

[ghosthunter]

http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011...rh-bill-forum/

[SIZE="4"]Read ‘Em and Weep: Statements Made at the ‘Faces of the RH Bill’ Forum
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Posted on 18 January 2011 by Marguerite de Leon.

What was particularly striking about Faces of the RH Bill, the forum I attended last night at the Ateneo School of Medicine and Public Health (ASMPH), whose main audience was comprised of med school students and medical professionals, was how the anti-RH folk present claimed that the issue at hand was not a matter of Church vs. State but, rather, a matter of plain human rights. Unfortunately, while the said anti-RH folk did steer clear of invoking their god, their arguments remained unfounded, grossly presumptuous, and just plain deceitful.

The main speaker for the anti-RH position was Dr. Ligaya Acosta of Human Life International. Clicking hastily through her PowerPoint presentation, Dr. Acosta was able to make the following ludicrous statements (terms in quotation marks were lifted directly from her speech and her slides):

The push for contraception is part of a “global anti-life/depopulation agenda,” thanks to the 1974 National Security Study Memorandum 200, a policy giving “paramount importance” to population control measures and the promotion of contraception among 13 populous countries — the Philippines being one of them.

RH was a mere “marketing term for abortion.”

If the RH Bill does not require spousal or parental consent before acquiring RH methods, then that means that the Bill encourages abortion, since the only act which a person would rather not let her spouse or parents know about is abortion.

If the Bill prohibits religion and family from meddling with one’s right to RH methods, then what will become of morality and the Filipino family?

There are only 2 genders — hetero***ual male and hetero***ual female.

Contraceptives have horrible side effects such as making a woman act unlike herself, cancer, fatal blood clots, and loss of bone density.

Chemicals from contraceptives leak into the environment, thus creating “inter*** animals.” (Here is an article on why this is bull.)

One way contraceptives work is by shutting down the pituitary glands, and in effect shutting down a person’s communication center.

Condoms have holes large enough for sperm and HIV to slip through.

Excessive masturbation is wrong.

RH leads to the Filipino youth’s poor English literacy since the English reading materials available are on *** and reproductive health, which they should not have access to.

There is no need for the RH Bill because what we need has been in effect for a while now.

If 11 women die everyday because of pregnancy-related complications, why do we claim to be overpopulated?

Tony Roxas from the Pro-Life Coalition also made the following mind-boggling statements during the Q&A portion:

If the RH Bill becomes a law, children as young as 10 years old will be able to have ***, and their parents can’t do anything about it lest they (the parents) be thrown in jail.

Consequently, the RH Bill will then legalize child prostitution, since dirty old men with money can simply send scouts out to public schools to pick out young girls for their ***ual whims.

Renelyn Tan of the World Youth Alliance, on the other hand, did not antagonize the RH Bill but, rather, proposed the following changes:

That the referral requirement in the Bill, wherein health practitioners are required to refer RH methods, be eliminated since this would be a violation of one’s conscience.

To provide an ‘opt out’ provision for parents, since some of them would insist that they be the source of RH education.

Fortunately, RH advocates former Akbayan Rep. Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel and Likhaan Board Chair and FF-UP Diliman Senior Faculty Advisor Dr. Sylvia Claudio were also present for the forum, with the former as speaker for the pro-RH Bill stance, and the latter as reactor to Dr. Acosta’s statements.

Former Rep. Hontiveros-Baraquel made the following strong, yet simple points in her speech:

There is an overwhelming number of pregnancy-related deaths in the country.

The mother’s life is very important.

The RH Bill is a human rights legislation as it addresses every person’s right to health.

The RH Bill is a gender-responsive and anti-discrimination legislation as well.

The Bill does NOT promote abortion.

(To the people against the RH Bill) Stop lying and start talking about the Bill as a health issue and not an issue of religion. (She also makes mention of the agnostics, atheists, freethinkers and humanists who are very much a part of the local population.)

Public health will prevail over dogmatism.

Nations who have adopted RH have seen a dramatic drop in abortions.

Later on, Dr. Claudio gave the following reaction to Dr. Ligaya’s speech.

It is incredibly important to determine the reliability of an organization presenting any kind of data.

Common contraceptives are approved by the World Health Organization (WHO), which means that these drugs help meet the minimum health needs of the population, and are thus safe and efficacious.

If you check the contraindications of paracetamol, you would be horrified; all drugs have side effects, which is why the RH Bill is important. The Bill gives people access to a plethora of methods from which they can choose the one that best suits their body and their conscience.

When referring to certain studies or memorandums, check the date. Make sure it is the most recent, most updated document.

According to the WHO and the International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO), all contraceptives are NOT abortifacients.

The RH Bill allows all of us to properly practice our consciousness. (She goes on to mention that she is an agnostic and a member of the Filipino Freethinkers).

I took comfort in the fact that most of the audience didn’t seem to take Dr. Acosta very seriously, audibly gasping at her statements and, during the Q&A, groaning in exasperation whenever she would try to rebut something the pro-RH contingent said. Regardless, it is still harrowing to be bombarded with outright lies within the confines of a medical institution, and I am only too glad that women as sharp and sensible as Former Rep. Hontiveros-Baraquel and Dr. Claudio were there to even out the Crazy, doing so with utmost class and clarity.

[kitsons]

The only people not attuned to the present realities are the priests and bishops who still treat their "followers" as if it was back at the turn of the 18th or 19th century Philippines.




What facts can you show us about how Catholic Church officials make their decisions?

There is always a strategy in making "faith" and "belief" over anything else.





The mudslinging is also coming from "People of God" and their followers. Where is the love and understanding that Jesus taught as written in the Bible?




If that is so, why do they knowingly spread so much false facts in pamphlets, etc that are distributed by the church or their followers?

Example:

Lying for a Cause
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011...g-for-a-cause/


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Who is spreading false facts?

Research and you would see that medical resaearches and statistical evidences prove that what you cl;aim is a false hood with no basis.

Show me your your evidences based on medical researches that athe contraceptive pills are not abortifacients and carcinogenic. You can google these facts and even use search engines. I cannot upload the evidences in this forum since it does not allow the voluminous pr4esentations that have verifiable facts so am just referring yuou to see for yourself by researching on it rather than creat pigments of imaginations.

[Lucius]

There are many non-Catholic sources of the basis of the Bishops decision as medically proven facts as the contraceptive pills are truly abortifacient and that up to 90% of the users do get cancer and much too many die of such cancer and actual statistics of deterioration of societies of countries that embraced the UNHR Population Control agenda formulae as what the RH Bill also is promoting to impose on the Filipino people.

My friend's girlfriend who has been taking contraceptive pills got pregnant after 5-6 months. So this 'fact' is now a 'theory'

[scharnhorst]

*ghosthunter: that doctor will never be taken seriously in any medical institution. :rofl:

Who is spreading false facts?

Research and you would see that medical resaearches and statistical evidences prove that what you cl;aim is a false hood with no basis.

Show me your your evidences based on medical researches that athe contraceptive pills are not abortifacients and carcinogenic. You can google these facts and even use search engines. I cannot upload the evidences in this forum since it does not allow the voluminous pr4esentations that have verifiable facts so am just referring yuou to see for yourself by researching on it rather than creat pigments of imaginations.

well, campaign na ba against cancer?

I can name sooooo many things that can increase the risk for cancer. Why isn't the Philippine Catholic Church going after those substances too?

clearly it is only out of convenience since even the very air you breath is carcinogenic.

cite your sources.

I will cite mine:

"most studies indicate that overall, COCs are not associated with an increased risk of cancer (Hannaford and associates, 2007). In fact, a protective effect against ovarian and endometrial cancer has been shown (Collaborative Group on Epidemiological Studies of Ovarian Cancer, 2008; Cancer and Steroid Hormone Study, 1987). "

"The relative risk of cervical dysplasia and cervical cancer is increased in current COC users, but this declines after use is discontinued. Following 10 or more years, risk returns to that of never users (International Collaboration of Epidemiological Studies of Cervical Cancer, 2007). "

"Breast tumors associated with COC use tended to be less aggressive and to be detected at an earlier stage—a finding consistent with the possibility that the increased risk of breast cancer was due to greater surveillance among users. In women who are carriers of the BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation, risks for breast cancer are not increased by COC use (Brohet and associates, 2007). "
-a detection bias. not valid.

-granted COCs can also increase the risk for cardiovascular disease, hence they are not used in those with current disease or with risk factors.

"The contraceptive actions of COCs are multiple, but the most important effect is to prevent ovulation by suppression of hypothalamic gonadotropin-releasing factors."
-means the egg isn't released at all.

all of these are from studies considered as the highest level of evidence in the academe.

[ghosthunter]

Who is spreading false facts?

You and the Catholic Church are spreading false facts.

And there are evidence to that fact. Do you deny it?

Research and you would see that medical resaearches and statistical evidences prove that what you cl;aim is a false hood with no basis.

Show me your your evidences based on medical researches that athe contraceptive pills are not abortifacients and carcinogenic. You can google these facts and even use search engines. I cannot upload the evidences in this forum since it does not allow the voluminous pr4esentations that have verifiable facts so am just referring yuou to see for yourself by researching on it rather than creat pigments of imaginations.

I want to YOU to SUPPORT your statements.

If you claim that there is so many & easy to find, why not post a few to start the ball rolling?

All you are doing is just hiding behind your skirt because you know there is no unbiased sourced evidence to support your invented claims.

The other guys have posted OUR SIDE of the evidence against your claim about "cancer caused by contraceptives". Where is yours'?

[marg]

Who is spreading false facts?

The stupid catholic church, that's who

Kitsons, look at the numbers above. Look at the Pulse Asia surveys.

MAJORITY wants RH Bill for the Pinoys. MAJORITY wants Choice and Free Will. The lying church will not change our minds.

PNoy, the Senate, and the Congress want it. The RH Bill will pass soon.

[Monseratto]

http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011...rh-bill-forum/

I took comfort in the fact that most of the audience didn’t seem to take Dr. Acosta very seriously, audibly gasping at her statements and, during the Q&A, groaning in exasperation whenever she would try to rebut something the pro-RH contingent said. Regardless, it is still harrowing to be bombarded with outright lies within the confines of a medical institution, and I am only too glad that women as sharp and sensible as Former Rep. Hontiveros-Baraquel and Dr. Claudio were there to even out the Crazy, doing so with utmost class and clarity.

Ganito din ang reaction ng mga tao dito sa tsikot. May iba dito bringing non-sensical lies, trying to make a point to a group whose guilable level is zero...

[myk384]

To tell the truth, it's time to pass the RH Bill. Last Thursday, I've attended a mass tapos yung gospel may binangit ang pari ng "RH Bill". Sheez, holy week na, tapos RH bill ang pinagdidiskusyon nila

[renzo_d10]

To tell the truth, it's time to pass the RH Bill. Last Thursday, I've attended a mass tapos yung gospel may binangit ang pari ng "RH Bill". Sheez, holy week na, tapos RH bill ang pinagdidiskusyon nila

That's why I left the mass when it was Homily last Friday since the priest might talk about RH Bill AGAIN while at the same time poisoning other people's mind.

And people who is contradicting with what is supposed to be right gets into my nerves. It's okay for me if what they are telling is the truth. But no, they're all lies.lies and more lies.

And yes, this church has this big " NO TO RH BILL " tarpaulin at the front entrance. Funny, since some cars parked there is actually sporting a " PASS THE RH BILL " sticker. :lol:

[buriroy]

Italy, a predominantly Catholic country just like the Philippines and where the Vatican is located, has had their version of the RH Law for more than forty years now, and not a peep from the Pope.

Sadyang ma-papel lang talaga itong mga bishops natin. Nagpapasikat sa Pope that they can control their "flock" in this part of the World.

[myk384]

That's why I left the mass when it was Homily last Friday since the priest might talk about RH Bill AGAIN while at the same time poisoning other people's mind.

And people who is contradicting with what is supposed to be right gets into my nerves. It's okay for me if what they are telling is the truth. But no, they're all lies.lies and more lies.

And yes, this church has this big " NO TO RH BILL " tarpaulin at the front entrance. Funny, since some cars parked there is actually sporting a " PASS THE RH BILL " sticker. :lol:

Actually, the bishops should be keeping up with the modern times. In fact, I have friends from this catholic school tapos those who came there told me maraming cases of premarital ***, even though hiwalay ang boys and girls sa high school. Im not saying na that school is ganun. Pero catholic school pa iyon ah!!!

It's time to give those bishops that middle finger. Pero good thing sa easter mass kanina i've attended, walang RH bill thingy dun.

C'mon, daming pang issues other than the RH Bill. Tapos pinapayo ni Ret. Arch Cruz na wag magasawa si Pnoy?

[Lucius]

Actually, the bishops should be keeping up with the modern times. In fact, I have friends from this catholic school tapos those who came there told me maraming cases of premarital ***, even though hiwalay ang boys and girls sa high school. Im not saying na that school is ganun. Pero catholic school pa iyon ah!!!

It's time to give those bishops that middle finger. Pero good thing sa easter mass kanina i've attended, walang RH bill thingy dun.

C'mon, daming pang issues other than the RH Bill. Tapos pinapayo ni Ret. Arch Cruz na wag magasawa si Pnoy?

Type nya kasi mga kalbo siguro na isip "bata"

Seloso si badishop

[marg]

Italy, a predominantly Catholic country just like the Philippines and where the Vatican is located, has had their version of the RH Law for more than forty years now, and not a peep from the Pope.

Sadyang ma-papel lang talaga itong mga bishops natin. Nagpapasikat sa Pope that they can control their "flock" in this part of the World.

Well Said. Trying hard talaga mga obispas sa Pinas.

[chua_riwap]

time to pass the RH bill.......

[ghosthunter]

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

[SIZE="4"]CBCP exec admits some priests support RH bill[/SIZE]
By Helen Flores (The Philippine Star) Updated April 25, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Despite the staunch opposition of the Catholic Church to the Reproductive Health (RH) bill, there are some priests who support it, a bishop disclosed yesterday. “Well, in the Church, there’s a space for dissent also... Even the 10 commandments, there are many who disobey it, right?” said Pampanga Archbishop

Paciano Aniceto, chairman of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, in an interview.

He said these priests have not openly voiced their support for the bill but bishops are aware of their positions.

“We leave it to their conscience. We respect that. But majority are not in favor. I think, in their own moral and theological discernment, we should respect them for that,” Aniceto said.

He said these priests are misguided or lack sufficient knowledge about the provisions of the bill.

“If I were his bishop, I would remind him... perhaps he does not know the aspects of the RH bill. If given thorough explanation and the consequences of this and the effects of this, I think he will be able to change his judgment,” Aniceto said.

The CBCP, the strongest opponent of the bill, is not in favor of provisions in the bill promoting the use of artificial contraceptives.

The Catholic Church only supports the use of natural family planning methods.

President Aquino has reaped the ire of some Church leaders for his persistent campaign to approve the controversial measure in Congress.

Aquino had said he is willing to be excommunicated to prove his support for the bill.

The RH bill is still undergoing plenary debate at the House of Representatives.

[renzo_d10]

time to pass the RH bill.......

Haha, so what will the CBCP say regarding this ?

PHOTOSHOP. PHOTOSHOP !!!! :rant:


:hysterical:

[myk384]

Haha, so what will the CBCP say regarding this ?

PHOTOSHOP. PHOTOSHOP !!!! :rant:


:hysterical:

Puro banat!! Walang magawang matino ang mga bishops... Time for a change then??